The 7 year Tribulation and the 7 year 70th 'week' (better translated 'seven')

[Douggg]

What I am saying is that the beast is a wicked fallen heavenly host, i.e. a fallen angel.

Are you saying that fallen angel is Satan ? Or a different fallen angel ?

 

[Jay Ross]

Are you saying that fallen angel is Satan ? Or a different fallen angel ?

We are to beware of the wicked fallen angels that God will judge in around 20 years' time when the Kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon. What the specific role of any of the wicked fallen heavenly hosts are, I am not trying to specify at this time in my posts.

Whether one of the wicked fallen angels is Satan or the Beast or the False Prophet is immaterial at this point in time. The thing is the beast and the false prophet are not of human form as you have been suggesting in your posts.

 

[Douggg]

We are to beware of the wicked fallen angels that God will judge in around 20 years' time when the Kings of the earth are judged at Armageddon. What the specific role of any of the wicked fallen heavenly hosts are, I am not trying to specify at this time in my posts.

Whether one of the wicked fallen angels is Satan or the Beast or the False Prophet is immaterial at this point in time. The thing is the beast and the false prophet are not of human form as you have been suggesting in your posts.

Well of course you are wrong about the beast and the false prophet not being humans. Their life history will show that.

What fallen angel in the bible has ever come into this word born as a baby and grown up to be an adult ?

The number of the beast, 666, is the number of a man.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well of course you are wrong about the beast and the false prophet not being humans. Their life history will show that.

What fallen angel in the bible has ever come into this word born as a baby and grown up to be an adult ?

The number of the beast, 666, is the number of a man.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Well of course you are wrong Douggg. Your understanding is wrong on a number of levels, as has been pointed out to you by a number of members on this forum.

Goodbye Douggg

 

[covenantee]

Daniel's 70th seven (of years) is recorded in Dan 9.27 where we are told that mid way through this time (3 1/2 years) of trouble he (the Antichrist) will bring an end to sacrifices and offerings.

We are told that Christ would confirm His Covenant at Calvary in the midst of the week, and thereby cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.

And He did. Matthew 26:28

Spurning 1700 years of settled true NT Church prophetic orthodoxy, by contorting Christ into antiChrist, is the epitome of blasphemy.

It is an abomination of desecration.

 

[Davy]

Daniel's 70th seven (of years) is recorded in Dan 9.27 where we are told that mid way through this time (3 1/2 years) of trouble he (the Antichrist) will bring an end to sacrifices and offerings. So, the 70th seven is divided into two halves. In Revelation we are told that half of the 70th seven is 1260 days, or 3 1/2 years). So both halves equal 7 years, and this is where we get the notion of a 7 year Tribulation. The word tribulation (thlipsis) is used in the NT to refer to both halves of the 70th seven. For example, in Matt 24.9 we read about the thlipsis before the mid way point. Of course, Jesus calls the second half the Great Tribulation (thlipsis). As you can see, the future Tribulation last for 7 years.

Most assume that the 7 year Tribulation is the same as the 7 year 70th seven. This will have to be discussed in another post.

Only part true.

The latter... 1260 day half is the actual "great tribulation" time.

Jesus showed this in Matthew 24:15-24, which is given in contrast to Matthew 24:4-14 which He showed will be the "beginning of sorrows" period.

1. "beginning of sorrows" = Matthew 24:4-14.
2. "great tribulation" = Matthew 24:15-24.

The time of "great tribulation" is set off with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem (future 3rd temple today's Jews are ready to build).

 

[Davy]

Rev 6.
3 When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”
4 Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make people kill each other.

This is just one part of the tribulation in the first half of the 70th week. With the second seal, there is war. And in fact, the first seal he goes out conquering. The 1st have of the Trib has a lot of trouble and tribulation. The 2nd half has more intensive tribulation. But, the whole 7 years is tribulation. The word for tribulation is thlipsis and this is used in connection with both halves.

Not so, that is a belief held mostly by those on men's false pre-tribulation rapture theory.

Per Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:6, the time of wars and rumors of war is NOT about the very 'end' of this world (or great tribulation time).

The pre-trib rapture school makes it a pop doctrine that the great tribulation will be a time of all WWIII, chaos, famine, earthquakes, etc., as they use that as a scare tactic to deceive brethren into believing their false theory of a rapture prior to the start of the great tribulation. Their authors, like Tim LaHaye and Hal Lindsay, wrote books specifically pushing those falsely applied ideas from Scripture to push the false pre-trib rapture theory.

Per 1 Thessalonians 5, Apostle Paul showed the very 'end', the time of "great tribulation", will be a time when the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety". That aligns with what Jesus showed in Matthew 24:6 that a time of wars is not about the "end".

The time of "great tribulation", the latter 1260 days half of Daniel's symbolic final "one week", will be a tribulation upon the saints who are NOT deceived that are sealed with God's seal. In Matthew 24:21-22 Jesus said He shortened that time of "great tribulation" for His elect's sake, otherwise there would be none left. So that means Christ's faithful elect Church MUST be here for that "great tribulation", it's as simple as that.

 

[KUWN]

Not so, that is a belief held mostly by those on men's false pre-tribulation rapture theory.

Per Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:6, the time of wars and rumors of war is NOT about the very 'end' of this world (or great tribulation time).

The pre-trib rapture school makes it a pop doctrine that the great tribulation will be a time of all WWIII, chaos, famine, earthquakes, etc., as they use that as a scare tactic to deceive brethren into believing their false theory of a rapture prior to the start of the great tribulation. Their authors, like Tim LaHaye and Hal Lindsay, wrote books specifically pushing those falsely applied ideas from Scripture to push the false pre-trib rapture theory.

Per 1 Thessalonians 5, Apostle Paul showed the very 'end', the time of "great tribulation", will be a time when the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety". That aligns with what Jesus showed in Matthew 24:6 that a time of wars is not about the "end".

The time of "great tribulation", the latter 1260 days half of Daniel's symbolic final "one week", will be a tribulation upon the saints who are NOT deceived that are sealed with God's seal. In Matthew 24:21-22 Jesus said He shortened that time of "great tribulation" for His elect's sake, otherwise there would be none left. So that means Christ's faithful elect Church MUST be here for that "great tribulation", it's as simple as that.

By the use of derogatory language against Pre-Trib I assume you are looking for a fight/argument. Not interested.

 

[KUWN]

Only part true.

The latter... 1260 day half is the actual "great tribulation" time.

Jesus showed this in Matthew 24:15-24, which is given in contrast to Matthew 24:4-14 which He showed will be the "beginning of sorrows" period.

1. "beginning of sorrows" = Matthew 24:4-14.
2. "great tribulation" = Matthew 24:15-24.

The time of "great tribulation" is set off with the placing of the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in a Jewish temple in Jerusalem (future 3rd temple today's Jews are ready to build).

I agree.

 

[Davy]

By the use of derogatory language against Pre-Trib I assume you are looking for a fight/argument. Not interested.

Not looking for a fight, just stating my position on the 'false' pre-trib rapture theory. What do you want, for me to say I'm against the 'true' pre-trib rapture theory?

I simply implore you to study what Lord Jesus revealed in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 about the time of His future return AFTER the tribulation. Once you address those Scriptures then you can tell me I am wrong, or that I was looking for an argument.

 

[KUWN]

For example, in Matt 24.9 we read about the thlipsis before the mid way point.

Matt 24.9 uses the word thlipsis (tribulation) of the first half of the Trib. As a Dispensationalist, I take the 70th week as the 7 year Tribulation. They are one and the same thing using our hermeneutic.

 

[Douggg]

Matt 24.9 uses the word thlipsis (tribulation) of the first half of the Trib. As a Dispensationalist, I take the 70th week as the 7 year Tribulation. They are one and the same thing using our hermeneutic.

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is not all tribulation. For most of the first half, there will be a false messianic age, with a false sense of peace and safety. Which will end when the Antichrist commits the ToD (transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4).