The 4 Eternal Destinies of Humankind

[Episkopos]

For any with some understanding....what is the difference between the righteous and the filthy? Well, imagine a man with muddy boots coming into your house any time he wants and basically turning the inside of your house into a barn. Wouldn't you call that man filthy or unclean?

Now what about the righteous who are also filthy (sinful)? Well, they also have muddy boots, but they cry out to you from outside refusing to muddy your house. They realize they are unclean and are not worthy in their state to come into the house. Remember the Publican who could not look up to heaven as he knew he was a sinner. And God justified him.

So which would be seen as righteous? The one who proudly stomps around in your house with muddy boots? Or the one who honours the cleanliness of your house and humbly speaks to you from outside?

Here I have NOT covered the saints or the wicked. Of course the saints are washed in the blood of Christ...cleansed to walk inside the house.

How much of modern Christianity is based on the right of the filthy to go into God's house without fear or respect of God who is holy?

 

[Episkopos]

Very simple, you seem to not taking in account the two Definite Articles in THE heaven and THE earth--and can give you many proofs and examples-a honest answer and STILL perplexed how you arrived at 4 eternal destinies.

There are other such verses in the bible but you would have to read Hebrew.


רְאֵ֨ה נָתַ֤תִּי לְפָנֶ֨יךָ֙ הַיּ֔וֹם אֶת־הַֽחַיִּ֖ים וְאֶת־הַטּ֑וֹב וְאֶת־הַמָּ֖וֶת וְאֶת־הָרָֽע:

Behold, I have set before you today life, and good, and death, and evil,

For those who are challenged with a lack of reading skills....how many definite articles are in the above verse? Count the green highlights for those who don't read Hebrew.

PS. A proper translation would say...THE life, and THE good, and THE death, and THE evil.

Any honest reader would count 4 definite articles. These are 4 different outcomes (destinies) for we who dwell on the earth.

 

[Johann]

רְאֵ֨ה נָתַ֤תִּי לְפָנֶ֨יךָ֙ הַיּ֔וֹם אֶת־הַֽחַיִּ֖ים וְאֶת־הַטּ֑וֹב וְאֶת־הַמָּ֖וֶת וְאֶת־הָרָֽע:

My, my. think you are the only one that can read Hebrew? That's IF you can!


Re'eh natatti lefanekha hayyom et-hayyim ve'et-hatov ve'et-hammavet ve'et-hara.

Identification of the Definite Articles
In Hebrew, the definite article is "ה" (ha-) and it is prefixed to the nouns it modifies.

הַיּ֔וֹם (hayyom) - "the day" or "today"
הַֽחַיִּ֖ים (hahayyim) - "the life" or "the lives"
הַטּ֑וֹב (hatov) - "the good"
הַמָּ֖וֶת (hammavet) - "the death"
הָרָֽע (hara) - "the evil"
Breakdown of the Verse with Definite Articles Highlighted
רְאֵ֨ה (re'eh) - "See"
נָתַ֤תִּי (natatti) - "I have set" or "I have given"
לְפָנֶ֨יךָ֙ (lefanekha) - "before you"
הַיּ֔וֹם (hayyom) - "today" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
אֶת־הַֽחַיִּ֖ים (et-hahayyim) - "the life" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
וְאֶת־הַטּ֑וֹב (ve'et-hatov) - "and the good" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
וְאֶת־הַמָּ֖וֶת (ve'et-hammavet) - "and the death" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
וְאֶת־הָרָֽע (ve'et-hara) - "and the evil" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
This analysis shows the use of definite articles in the Hebrew text, reflecting the emphasis on specific concepts of life, good, death, and evil in the context of God's covenant with Israel.

Now--does this verse show 4 eternal destinies? No.
Transliteration:
Re'eh natatti lefanekha hayyom et-hayyim ve'et-hatov ve'et-hammavet ve'et-hara.

Translation:
"See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil."

Interpretation of the Verse
Life and Good (הַחַיִּים וְהַטּוֹב, hahayyim ve-hatov):

Life (חַיִּים, hayyim): Symbolizes a relationship with God, prosperity, and blessings that come from obedience to His commandments.
Good (טּוֹב, tov): Represents the moral and ethical quality of life that aligns with God's will, resulting in positive outcomes.
Death and Evil (הַמָּוֶת וְהָרָע, hammavet ve-hara):

Death (מָּוֶת, mavet): Signifies separation from God, the cessation of physical life, and potential spiritual death resulting from disobedience.
Evil (רָע, ra): Denotes actions and consequences that are contrary to God's will, leading to harmful and destructive outcomes.
Theological Implication
The structure of the verse suggests a choice between two comprehensive paths, each encompassing a pair of related concepts:

Path of Obedience (Life and Good):

Embracing this path leads to life, blessings, and well-being, consistent with God's covenant promises.
Path of Disobedience (Death and Evil):

Choosing this path results in death, curses, and adversity, reflecting the consequences of turning away from God.

Deuteronomy 30:15 does not describe four separate eternal destinies but rather two overarching destinies:

One destiny characterized by life and good, reflecting a harmonious relationship with God.
Another destiny characterized by death and evil, indicative of separation from God and the resultant curses.
Thus, the verse encapsulates the choice between two fundamental eternal outcomes based on one's response to God's covenant: life or death, blessing or curse.

I would suggest you delete your video clip and close your YouTube channel since anyone can nilly willy open a account on YouTube.
J.

 

[Lizbeth]

This judgment is for honour, The naked are shamed and vessels of dishonour, Those who are rejected from the kingdom are cast out into the wilderness of outer darkness. There are walls around the New Jerusalem...to keep out the pretenders. No one who believes and promotes a lie will have access to the holy city.

So this is not just about having more or less. Look at the parable of the talents. Some had more or less and one was cast away entirely.

There are 2 destinies present at the Bema seat judgment for God's people. Blessing and cursing.,


Exactly.


No. Fire reveals of what kind the fruit is there for God's house (the second cut) and those who fail will be saved but as by fire. These will go into the wilderness of outer darkness, to wander there forever...as per Jude and Peter...and Jesus.

This parable lays out the four destinies of men. In order....the wicked, by the wayside, the filthy (unclean) on stony shallow soil, the righteous, among thorns, and the holy, on good ground. All this from a holiness and eternal perspective. Now read rev. 22:11 and have your understanding opened up.

You are not making sense at all. You have filthy dreamers who defile the flesh sharing the same fate as the righteous. Don't think so.

And I showed you in colour (since you seem to like colours even as you like to insult people) that the book of life is the Lamb's book of life (which you ignored), so your three different books theory doesn't fly either.

 

[Episkopos]

You are not making sense at all. You have filthy dreamers who defile the flesh sharing the same fate as the righteous. Don't think so.

This makes no sense at all. You have the righteous being the same as people who claim to be of Christ, but are filthy.

And I showed you in colour (since you seem to like colours even as you like to insult people) that the book of life is the Lamb's book of life (which you ignored), so your three different books theory doesn't fly either.

I think you might need even more colours to see these distinctions....not less so. What you claim is an insult is not even enough to get you to see your error. So should I be even MORE insulting (in your estimation) to show you how wrong your assessments are?

I think I'll leave it there and appeal to the reading skills and honesty of others. ;) Others are able to see the truth.

 

[Episkopos]

My, my. think you are the only one that can read Hebrew? That's IF you can!


Re'eh natatti lefanekha hayyom et-hayyim ve'et-hatov ve'et-hammavet ve'et-hara.

Identification of the Definite Articles
In Hebrew, the definite article is "ה" (ha-) and it is prefixed to the nouns it modifies.

הַיּ֔וֹם (hayyom) - "the day" or "today"
הַֽחַיִּ֖ים (hahayyim) - "the life" or "the lives"
הַטּ֑וֹב (hatov) - "the good"
הַמָּ֖וֶת (hammavet) - "the death"
הָרָֽע (hara) - "the evil"
Breakdown of the Verse with Definite Articles Highlighted
רְאֵ֨ה (re'eh) - "See"
נָתַ֤תִּי (natatti) - "I have set" or "I have given"
לְפָנֶ֨יךָ֙ (lefanekha) - "before you"
הַיּ֔וֹם (hayyom) - "today" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
אֶת־הַֽחַיִּ֖ים (et-hahayyim) - "the life" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
וְאֶת־הַטּ֑וֹב (ve'et-hatov) - "and the good" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
וְאֶת־הַמָּ֖וֶת (ve'et-hammavet) - "and the death" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
וְאֶת־הָרָֽע (ve'et-hara) - "and the evil" (definite article "ה" (ha-))
This analysis shows the use of definite articles in the Hebrew text, reflecting the emphasis on specific concepts of life, good, death, and evil in the context of God's covenant with Israel.

Now--does this verse show 4 eternal destinies? No.
Transliteration:
Re'eh natatti lefanekha hayyom et-hayyim ve'et-hatov ve'et-hammavet ve'et-hara.

Translation:
"See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil."

Interpretation of the Verse
Life and Good (הַחַיִּים וְהַטּוֹב, hahayyim ve-hatov):

Life (חַיִּים, hayyim): Symbolizes a relationship with God, prosperity, and blessings that come from obedience to His commandments.
Good (טּוֹב, tov): Represents the moral and ethical quality of life that aligns with God's will, resulting in positive outcomes.
Death and Evil (הַמָּוֶת וְהָרָע, hammavet ve-hara):

Death (מָּוֶת, mavet): Signifies separation from God, the cessation of physical life, and potential spiritual death resulting from disobedience.
Evil (רָע, ra): Denotes actions and consequences that are contrary to God's will, leading to harmful and destructive outcomes.
Theological Implication
The structure of the verse suggests a choice between two comprehensive paths, each encompassing a pair of related concepts:

Path of Obedience (Life and Good):

Embracing this path leads to life, blessings, and well-being, consistent with God's covenant promises.
Path of Disobedience (Death and Evil):

Choosing this path results in death, curses, and adversity, reflecting the consequences of turning away from God.

Deuteronomy 30:15 does not describe four separate eternal destinies but rather two overarching destinies:

One destiny characterized by life and good, reflecting a harmonious relationship with God.
Another destiny characterized by death and evil, indicative of separation from God and the resultant curses.
Thus, the verse encapsulates the choice between two fundamental eternal outcomes based on one's response to God's covenant: life or death, blessing or curse.

I would suggest you delete your video clip and close your YouTube channel since anyone can nilly willy open a account on YouTube.
J.

Nonsense. If you had any reading skills at all....and you don't read Hebrew at all.. you would see that using definite articles are for a specific thing apart from all others. Heaven and Earth are not one thing but two. In the bible each is treated with a definite article. I posted 4 destinies from Deut 30 ...each having a definite article...and you say there are only two.. So I ask those who can read and still retain some honesty...Can we eliminate half the definite articles in the description where there are 4 definite articles...and make that to be only two? Can anyone say...reading skills...or honesty???

Does a person HAVE TO lie to join your religion?

 

[Scott Downey]

After the judgement of God's people, He wipes away all tears.

Psalm 116:8
For You have delivered my soul from death, My eyes from tears, And my feet from falling.

God's people do not 'get what's coming to them' in the sense of separation from God for God's people, God's people whom He foreknew, He does not cast out, cast away. If God's people got judged in the way of the world no one would be saved. We are saved by God's mercy, not by His judgement, Jesus saves us from the wrath of God to come.

John 6
36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [a]by no means cast out.
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

Romans 11, THINK about this as it is also about YOU!

I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”


Matthew 22
Now this man was cast out from the wedding feast
However, the man was not chosen by God to be a part of His family named in Heaven, as in to belong to Christ.
This man was not given to Christ by God.

The man was not properly clothed....no wedding garment on. The wedding garments came from God, and all were properly clothed both some good, and some bad people and Jesus is saying if you're not chosen, you're not allowed to be there. The man could not even respond, he was without excuse, he had no idea why he was there.

The Parable of the Wedding Feast​

22 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.” ’ 5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them [a]spitefully, and killed them. 7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’

10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12 So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, [b]take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”


Revelation 17:14
These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”

Mark 13:20
And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

 

[Lizbeth]

This makes no sense at all. You have the righteous being the same as people who claim to be of Christ, but are filthy.

Then let me explain it for you. Bible says those wandering stars, filthy dreamers who defile the flesh are doomed to eternal darkness. You have those who are merely righteous as opposed to having "attained" a state of holiness likewise being doomed to the same punishment of outer darkness. Think you better not call unclean/filthy what God has called clean.

 

[Episkopos]

The difference between the filthy and the righteous is that, although both are unclean from a holiness perspective, yet the righteous are honest and humble. Knowing this, read the thread and discover what prevalence the modern church bent is towards filthiness with its lack of honesty and righteousness.

 

[Lizbeth]

I think you might need even more colours to see these distinctions....not less so. What you claim is an insult is not even enough to get you to see your error. So should I be even MORE insulting (in your estimation) to show you how wrong your assessments are?

I think I'll leave it there and appeal to the reading skills and honesty of others. ;) Others are able to see the truth.

In other words you are unable to refute God's word on that but instead resort to even more ad hominem insults.....predictably.

 

[Episkopos]

Then let me explain it for you. Bible says those wandering stars, filthy dreamers who defile the flesh are doomed to eternal darkness. You have those who are merely righteous as opposed to having "attained" a state of holiness likewise being doomed to the same punishment of outer darkness. Think you better not call unclean/filthy what God has called clean.

False. Not a word of truth in your statement. Either based on a lack of reading skills, or honesty...or both, I don't know.

 

[APAK]

“He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” Rev. 22:11

Notice the above words of Jesus. Now I have a rule of 4 whereby a four year old can count how many kinds of people there are. According to Jesus there are 4. Now, indoctrinated people will say they only count 2. So then a four year old has more reading skills than they. :)

Epi: this response and statement of your is yet another far-out and ridiculous one. This citation by Jesus are four characteristics of people that are STILL slotted into TWO destinations NOT 4. The unjust and filthy do not enter eternal life, whilst the righteousness and holy do!

You continually make hay and confusion in your extreme misguided form of eschatology; like your personal ridiculous gospel understanding.

You should be ashamed of yourself and now reinterpreting twisting Rev 22:11 for your own selfish needs.

This verse describes the eternal state of humanity, emphasizing the fixed nature of one’s moral condition after death. The passage distinguishes between two categories of people:

1. The Unjust and Filthy: Those who reject God’s salvation and live in sin will remain in their sinful state eternally. They will never change or repent, and their destiny is sealed in torment and separation from God.
2. The Righteous and Holy: Those who have accepted God’s salvation through faith in Jesus Christ will remain in their righteous and holy state eternally. They will continue to serve God and enjoy His presence, free from sin and its consequences.

This verse is a solemn warning to unbelievers, emphasizing that once they enter eternity, there is no possibility of change or redemption. On the other hand, it is a comforting promise to believers, assuring them that their salvation is secure and their eternal state is one of righteousness and holiness.

Key Takeaways

• The moral condition of humanity is fixed after death, with no possibility of change for the unjust and filthy.
• The righteous and holy will continue to enjoy God’s presence and blessings eternally.
• The verse serves as a warning to unbelievers and a comfort to believers regarding their eternal destiny.

Jesus teaches that there are only two ultimate destinies for humanity: life and destruction. This is reflected in the following passages:

• Jesus contrasts two gates, wide and narrow, and two ways, broad and narrow, leading to two destinies (emphasis on “two-fold situation” and “two destinies, life and destruction”).
• The Bible speaks repeatedly about two destinies: one indescribably good and the other indescribably bad, with all people entering one of these two destinies.
• In Romans 8, Paul distinguishes between two groups of people: those “according to the flesh” (characterized by death) and those “according to the Spirit” (characterized by life and peace). This dichotomy reflects the two ultimate destinies: eternal life or eternal death.

These passages collectively emphasize that Jesus teaches there are only two destinies after this life, not four. The two destinies are mutually exclusive, with one leading to eternal life and the other to eternal destruction.

---what else do you have on your warped thinking and spiritual menu of the future I wonder?

 

[Episkopos]

Epi: this response and statement of your is yet another far-out and ridiculous one. This citation by Jesus are four characteristics of people that are STILL slotted into TWO destinations NOT 4. The unjust and filthy do not enter eternal life, whilst the righteousness and holy do!

Hey Apak, hope you are doing well. But your opinions and changing what the bible says are not appropriate. The bible is not like a bedtime story that you get to change the text to make it fun for kids to hear.

Altering the plain text to fit a previous ideology is called eisegesis. What you need to learn to do is to read the text for what is says...and look for other examples that say the same thing...as I have done.

You continually make hay and confusion in your extreme misguided form of eschatology; like your personal ridiculous gospel understanding.

Like quoting Jesus? Very taboo.

You should be ashamed of yourself and now reinterpreting twisting Rev 22:11 for your own selfish needs.

The opposite is true. By eliminating filthiness as an eternal destiny, you eliminate the many warnings that help people depart from iniquity. So then I'm trying to eliminate the selfishness in those who name and claim a salvation that they will not see.

This verse describes the eternal state of humanity, emphasizing the fixed nature of one’s moral condition after death. The passage distinguishes between two categories of people:

1. The Unjust and Filthy: Those who reject God’s salvation and live in sin will remain in their sinful state eternally. They will never change or repent, and their destiny is sealed in torment and separation from God.
2. The Righteous and Holy: Those who have accepted God’s salvation through faith in Jesus Christ will remain in their righteous and holy state eternally. They will continue to serve God and enjoy His presence, free from sin and its consequences.

This verse is a solemn warning to unbelievers, emphasizing that once they enter eternity, there is no possibility of change or redemption. On the other hand, it is a comforting promise to believers, assuring them that their salvation is secure and their eternal state is one of righteousness and holiness.

Key Takeaways

• The moral condition of humanity is fixed after death, with no possibility of change for the unjust and filthy.
• The righteous and holy will continue to enjoy God’s presence and blessings eternally.
• The verse serves as a warning to unbelievers and a comfort to believers regarding their eternal destiny.

Jesus teaches that there are only two ultimate destinies for humanity: life and destruction. This is reflected in the following passages:

• Jesus contrasts two gates, wide and narrow, and two ways, broad and narrow, leading to two destinies (emphasis on “two-fold situation” and “two destinies, life and destruction”).
• The Bible speaks repeatedly about two destinies: one indescribably good and the other indescribably bad, with all people entering one of these two destinies.
• In Romans 8, Paul distinguishes between two groups of people: those “according to the flesh” (characterized by death) and those “according to the Spirit” (characterized by life and peace). This dichotomy reflects the two ultimate destinies: eternal life or eternal death.

These passages collectively emphasize that Jesus teaches there are only two destinies after this life, not four. The two destinies are mutually exclusive, with one leading to eternal life and the other to eternal destruction.

---what else do you have on your warped thinking and spiritual menu of the future I wonder?

You mean deeper understanding and revelation from God. All you have are the traditions of men that are not supported in the bible...but refuted very easily...if one can read and is honest. :)
Although very few can endure sound doctrine and understand spiritual things I will continue to publish the gospel and eternal truth. Some will understand and be healed, and others will rail and be confident in man-made doctrines.

 

[Episkopos]

In other words you are unable to refute God's word on that but instead resort to even more ad hominem insults.....predictably.

That's your tactic...lie and then claim to be insulted and attacked when you are found out. There are others here that do the same. I think you have learned to do this more and more by having bad examples. Nevertheless let your leaven come to a fullness so that you will be what you must be.

 

[Johann]

Nonsense. If you had any reading skills at all....and you don't read Hebrew at all.. you would see that using definite articles are for a specific thing apart from all others. Heaven and Earth are not one thing but two. In the bible each is treated with a definite article. I posted 4 destinies from Deut 30 ...each having a definite article...and you say there are only two.. So I ask those who can read and still retain some honesty...Can we eliminate half the definite articles in the description where there are 4 definite articles...and make that to be only two? Can anyone say...reading skills...or honesty???

Does a person HAVE TO lie to join your religion?

The only one lying here is you @Episkopos and you are going to have to live with it--and I invite all the members to tell me there are 4 eternal destinies-matter of fact, I am more than willing to debate you on YouTube with Corey and Wise Disciple. Just tell me when and we will be there.

 

[Episkopos]

The only one lying here is you @Episkopos and you are going to have to live with it--and I invite all the members to tell me there are 4 eternal destinies-matter of fact, I am more than willing to debate you on YouTube with Corey and Wise Disciple. Just tell me when and we will be there.

LOL. That's all you have...opinions. I ask those who have reading skills and retain SOME honesty to read the text for themselves...without the traditional bullying.

The Spirit sets us free. :) And the truth sets us free.

 

[Johann]

LOL. That's all you have...opinions. I ask those who have reading skills and retain SOME honesty to read the text for themselves...without the traditional bullying.

The Spirit sets us free. :) And the truth sets us free.

Evasive and deflecting-I want to debate you on YouTube with two of my brothers in Christ--Corey and Wise Disciple and here's the reason why.


1. Acts 17:11
"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

Context: The Bereans are commended for their diligence in verifying Paul's teachings against the Scriptures.
Application: This verse emphasizes the importance of comparing any teaching with the Bible to determine its accuracy.
2. 1 John 4:1
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Context: John warns believers about false prophets and the need to discern the truth.
Application: This verse highlights the necessity of testing spiritual teachings and teachers to ensure they align with God's truth.
3. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Context: Paul explains the purpose and sufficiency of Scripture for guiding believers.
Application: This passage underscores that doctrine should be evaluated based on its consistency with Scripture, which is the ultimate authority.
4. Galatians 1:8-9
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"

Context: Paul warns the Galatians about false gospels and the severe consequences of deviating from the true gospel.
Application: This verse stresses the importance of adhering strictly to the original gospel message and rejecting any contradictory teachings.
5. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
"But test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil."

Context: Paul advises the Thessalonians to test all things and cling to what is good.
Application: This passage encourages believers to critically evaluate all teachings, retaining only those that are good and rejecting those that are evil.
Summary
Acts 17:11: Compare teachings with Scripture.
1 John 4:1: Test the spirits to discern their origin.
2 Timothy 3:16-17: Use Scripture as the standard for teaching.
Galatians 1:8-9: Reject any gospel contrary to the true gospel.
1 Thessalonians 5:21-22: Test all teachings, retaining the good and rejecting the evil.
These verses collectively affirm the importance of using the Bible as the definitive guide to test and validate all doctrines and teachings.

--to see if my "opinions" are biblical or yours--are you up for the debate?

 

[Lizbeth]

That's your tactic...lie and then claim to be insulted and attacked when you are found out. There are others here that do the same. I think you have learned to do this more and more by having bad examples. Nevertheless let your leaven come to a fullness so that you will be what you must be.

I note that you are still not addressing that scripture here. Safe to assume that you would if you could.......and that you don't because you can't.

 

[Episkopos]

I note that you are still not addressing that scripture here. Safe to assume that you would if you could.......and that you don't because you can't.

You are not addressing any of the many scriptures I have presented in the context of this thread, and instead are complaining that I am not addressing one that I may have missed?

Those who only see two destinies will try proving that because there is two being described at a particular time...in the context of a judgment or resurrection...that somehow that negates any other judgment or possibility.

That would be like going to a dealership to buy a truck and refuse to believe that they also sell cars. How can they do BOTH? ;)

 

[Episkopos]

Evasive and deflecting-I want to debate you on YouTube with two of my brothers in Christ--Corey and Wise Disciple and here's the reason why.

I would debate even Laurel and Hardy... but they would need to watch the video first and have a real grasp of the subject. Also can you send me a link to their podcast?

We are thinking of doing guests and/or interviews and debates in the future.

Is this the guy?

1. Acts 17:11
"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true."

Context: The Bereans are commended for their diligence in verifying Paul's teachings against the Scriptures.
Application: This verse emphasizes the importance of comparing any teaching with the Bible to determine its accuracy.
2. 1 John 4:1
"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

I could definitely vet your friends for you.

Context: John warns believers about false prophets and the need to discern the truth.
Application: This verse highlights the necessity of testing spiritual teachings and teachers to ensure they align with God's truth.
3. 2 Timothy 3:16-17
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

That's right. And that's why I find the lack of honesty and reading skills here so telling.

Context: Paul explains the purpose and sufficiency of Scripture for guiding believers.
Application: This passage underscores that doctrine should be evaluated based on its consistency with Scripture, which is the ultimate authority.
4. Galatians 1:8-9
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"

Context: Paul warns the Galatians about false gospels and the severe consequences of deviating from the true gospel.
Application: This verse stresses the importance of adhering strictly to the original gospel message and rejecting any contradictory teachings.
5. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22
"But test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil."

Context: Paul advises the Thessalonians to test all things and cling to what is good.
Application: This passage encourages believers to critically evaluate all teachings, retaining only those that are good and rejecting those that are evil.
Summary
Acts 17:11: Compare teachings with Scripture.
1 John 4:1: Test the spirits to discern their origin.
2 Timothy 3:16-17: Use Scripture as the standard for teaching.
Galatians 1:8-9: Reject any gospel contrary to the true gospel.
1 Thessalonians 5:21-22: Test all teachings, retaining the good and rejecting the evil.
These verses collectively affirm the importance of using the Bible as the definitive guide to test and validate all doctrines and teachings.

--to see if my "opinions" are biblical or yours--are you up for the debate?

You definitely have opinions. What I have are apostolic teachings based on revelation, reading skills, and honesty! :)