Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[TLHKAJ]

Of course there is no utopia and there are women in niche situations where they need advocacy and support. But feminism is not the answer for society because it has made society objectively worse and hurt families and had influenced Christians away from scripture.

Women should have advocated for their rights, regardless. Too bad it took "feminism" to do it.

I'm still learning what the heck feminism even is. I've never had a desire to delve into it. I just know that I won't sit and be a piece of meat or a rag to be tossed around. I am a human being ...a woman, and I have just as much value as any man.

I did not say that I want to BE a man, or even do what men do. But I have a right to make my own choices on how to get along and survive with the circumstances I've been given.

@Wynona, what would you have done in the scenario @Mink57 described that her grandmother found herself in? (You have the benefit now of hindsight, which women didn't have back then.) If your husband up and left you right now and you had no job, no job experience, and no rights to see or keep your children .....what would you do?

PS ...it was situations like that, that necessitated women advocating for women's rights.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I am here to say having the option to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing.

True. And having the option to do something doesn't make it the wrong thing to do, either. A person can make bad choices, or good choices. But they need CHOICES.

 

[Wynona]

If your husband up and left you right now and you had no job, no job experience, and no rights to see or keep your children .....what would you do?

I wouldn't remarry because I am against remarriage when the first spouse is still alive. I would devote myself to ministry. Id probably have to work but Id find ways to serve in my community.

Having a family is wonderful but its a gift that can be taken away. Christ is the reason I live.

 

[Wynona]

I want to speak boldly that in most situations, the wife is responsible for her Christlike responses whether the husband deserves it or not. She may be used by God to win a husband to Christ (1 Peter 3:1-7). But even if he never changes, she will have learned the blessing of choosing joy even in a difficult marriage.

By difficult marriage, I dont mean physical abuse. Women have should seek safety and have the right to get support in that case.

But in most marriages, wives must choose their attitude. A wife who chooses to treat their husband as she would treat Christ will never be put to shame because she will regain the power to choose a joyful outlook regardless of what her husband does.

Wives are not responsible for changing their husbands, only for being submissive, kind, and servant hearted and being loving as much as is possible. Learning to have a Christlike response no matter what frees. the woman from the burdens of bitterness, wrath, and self pity.

 

[Wynona]

I'm still learning what the heck feminism even is. I've never had a desire to delve into it. I just know that I won't sit and be a piece of meat or a rag to be tossed around. I am a human being ...a woman, and I have just as much value as any man.

With all due respect, if you dont know what feminism is, why are you defending it?

 

[Wrangler]

Im a homemaker.

I love that expression. Putting aside the contentious spirit of feminism, the expanded expression is:
MEN MAKE A HOUSE
WOMEN MAKE IT A HOME.

It concisely identifies the roles of each sex. The man is focused on the structure and functionality needed for life. The woman focuses on making it worth living, sanctifies the work of man with her love and attention to detail. Women put up curtains, pads on shares, doilies on coffee tables. And pillows. Can't forget about the pillows.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I wouldn't remarry because I am against remarriage when the first spouse is still alive. I would devote myself to ministry. Id probably have to work but Id find ways to serve in my community.

Having a family is wonderful but its a gift that can be taken away. Christ is the reason I live.

You're missing the point of my post, @Wynona. Are you saying you'd be perfectly willing to give your children up to foster care without a fight? I wasn't asking about remarriage. lol

 

[TLHKAJ]

With all due respect, if you dont know what feminism is, why are you defending it?

Why in the world do you believe I'm defending feminism?? All I've ever done in this thread is defend certain points of things already being discussed. You've never seen me defend feminsm, @Wynona. I have defended women's and children's rights to choices which offer them safe options in bad circumstances. You have never seen me defend feminism. Should women have rights? YES!! Should women have choices? YES! That is Biblical. Your personal traditions are not necessarily Biblical. They work for you, and that's great. But you jave choices should your husband ever leave you for another woman and try to keep you from being in your children's lives. And you have those choices because women before you fought for YOUR rights that you have today. I'm glad we have those rights and choices today. A woman is not a woman or a mother if she will stand by and watch people take her children without a fight.

I never said I ascribed to the belief that women choosing to stay at home to raise the children and keep the home was slavery. You won't find that anywhere in this thread, or on this forum. And I do not believe in a woman's right to take the life of her unborn child. You won't find anywhere that I have defended that either. You also won't find any place where I have advocated for the LGBTQ lifestyle. Nope.

You have made some HUGE assumptions about me.

Are you assuming that since I believe women should have choices that I am a feminist?? lol

 

[TLHKAJ]

By difficult marriage, I dont mean physical abuse. Women have should seek safety and have the right to get support in that case.

Now, where would a woman find safety if she doesn't have rights and choices??

I know women who cannot find safety in their own home, nor even from family ...because they are multigenerational cult. There is no safety for these women in the cult-infiltrated women's shelters, or the cult-infiltrated police, or legal systems.

These women need resources, rights, and choices. Who are you or any so-called man to say they don't deserve the resources she needs to obtain safety?

She needs to have an opportunity to get training for a job, or go back to school/college, to get a job ... or any other resources she may need to gain physical freedom.

There are at least one or two men in this thread who believe women should not have choices and that makes them happier. That is a LIE. It just makes them more vulnerable to being used and mistreated and abused by men.

 

[Wynona]

A wife's treatment of her husband reflects her reverence for Christ.

This type of marriage where the woman submits herself---I have hardly seen. And if a woman wants to be submissive and a homemaker today, she will face ridicule and mockery. The "you poor thing" treatment. Comments that tempt you to put your eyes off of serving and back on yourself.

But even if the woman God calls us to be costs us recognition, status, or validation, we should become her anyway.

Go towards God's commands and not away from them. Ministry is not just leading in front of others, but the tasks done in love for family and guests. It starts with the people closest to us. Being a wife is a ministry.

 

[Wynona]

I dont think all wives and mothers who work do so just to prove some feminist talking point.

My mother wanted me to have a nice lifestyle with plenty of activities and options.

But it was my mother herself that I wanted most, not the lifestyle. I wouldve preferred more time with her.

She was a great mother who juggled a career, marriage, and children. But this cost her in terms of mental health in later in life The stress she put herself through was immense.

I admire her greatly yet do not want that same lifestyle.

We may not own our home or have more than one car. But these things don't matter in the long run. We can do without them. I want time with my family, not more stuff.

 

[Wynona]

Women should have advocated for their rights, regardless. Too bad it took "feminism" to do it.

@TLHKAJ When I asked why you defended feminism, this is what I meant.

I wish you all the best in Christ.

 

[Naomanos]

@TLHKAJ When I asked why you defended feminism, this is what I meant.

I wish you all the best in Christ.

I don't see that as her necessarily defending feminism. She is pointing out that it took feminism for those things to come about.

 

[Grailhunter]

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A wife's treatment of her husband reflects her reverence for Christ.

This type of marriage where the woman submits herself---I have hardly seen. And if a woman wants to be submissive and a homemaker today, she will face ridicule and mockery. The "you poor thing" treatment. Comments that tempt you to put your eyes off of serving and back on yourself.

But even if the woman God calls us to be costs us recognition, status, or validation, we should become her anyway.

Go towards God's commands and not away from them. Ministry is not just leading in front of others, but the tasks done in love for family and guests. It starts with the people closest to us. Being a wife is a ministry.

What does submissive mean? Intent and action.
As a loving hind and a graceful doe, Let her breasts satisfy you at all times; Be exhilarated always with her love. Proverbs 5:19
Love and respect.....Is it right to say submissive.....it seems to imply only one way. I want happiness for the woman I love.....and a sense of self worth. Which means we want to make each other happy and we work together in all things. Communication is so important but a lot times it is up to the wife to teach the husband the art of communication.

 

[Wrangler]

There are at least one or two men in this thread who believe women should not have choices and that makes them happier.

I've been following this thread pretty closely and did not read any such posts from anyone. Perhaps you are quoting from the Feminist Bible 1st Commandment; you shall have no other gods before women's choices to make themselves happier? Other translations render it differently. What a mischaracterization.

 

[Naomanos]

I've been following this thread pretty closely and did not read any such posts from anyone. Perhaps you are quoting from the Feminist Bible 1st Commandment; you shall have no other gods before women's choices to make themselves happier? Other translations render it differently. What a mischaracterization.

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Then you were not looking at this post: MA2444 hard enough.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I've been following this thread pretty closely and did not read any such posts from anyone.

Amnesia, much?? I can go back and quote posts where you said women are happier when their choices are removed. And should you decide to go edit those posts, I do have these in my email. I can screenshot it! lol

 

[Wrangler]

Amnesia, much?? I can go back and quote posts where you said women are happier when their choices are removed. And should you decide to go edit those posts, I do have these in my email. I can screenshot it! lol

Yea, show me that post.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@TLHKAJ When I asked why you defended feminism, this is what I meant.

I wish you all the best in Christ.

Read it for exactly what I said, Wynona. Fact is, feminism is the movement that brought about the rights and choices and resources you have today as a woman....should you ever need them. I don't believe that movement started out as a man-hating movement. It was women who had enough oppression and abuse and decided to do something about it. Whatever the radical things you name in this thread that feminists supposedly support ....that is not what I'm defending. I do defend the idea that women deserve rights and freedoms as much as men do. That isn't feminism. And it isn't evil or even unbiblical. Again ...go back and honestly read and study Proverbs 31. She was not holed up in her house 24/7. She cared for her children, for the needs of her household, pleased her husband, managed servants, provided food for them, and she WORKED outside the home. lol

 

[TLHKAJ]

She was a great mother who juggled a career, marriage, and children. But this cost her in terms of mental health in later in life The stress she put herself through was immense.

It's up to each woman/mother to assess her family's needs and adjust appropriately, putting the needs of her husband and children first. And many women do exactly that.

Did your mother work due to financial need? Or did she just enjoy working more than being a mother?