Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

And here is where you sin. The Christian ideology is the Biblical teaching, which @Wynona has pointed out IS patriarchal, like it or not.

That's YOUR interpretation...like it or not.

Truth is extreme and holiness does not compromise with evil, including the evil ideology of feminism, which is inherently radical as it departs from the way God revealed.

So YOU say....

 

[Mink57]

Definitely could be its own thread. Ever see the movie about how Facebook got started? They know the "likes" cause an endorphin release in the brain akin to addiction to drugs.

Oh gee, look at that. We actually agree.

 

[amigo de christo]

That's YOUR interpretation...like it or not.

So YOU say....

wanna hear something kinda scary but its still not too late to repent .
As much as ol wrangler and i can be at odds at times .
In this particular case , HE is right and you are very very wrong .
But its not too late . Now i suggest to us all we go ahead and get back into the bible
for ourselves and i sure would not trust in movments and in peoples . RATHER lets learn
FROM GOD what HE INSPIRED in the bible for our own selves .

 

[Wrangler]

That's YOUR interpretation

It's about knowing not interpretation. A synonym for God is "the Father." This reveals the patriarchal nature of God's plan spelled out repeatedly in Scripture. You just want to pretend this truth, this objective truth, is merely a matter of subjective interpretation. Knowing is a salvation issue.

Dear sister, Your salvation depends on REALLY knowing.
John 17:1-3 (emphasis added)
“Father... this is the way to have eternal life—to (REALLY) know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

Your contentious spirit, giant ego and refusal to take responsibility is keeping you from God, keeping you from REALLY knowing the way to have eternal life. This is why I often say I will pray for you. (Maybe you are like my wife, taking on too much responsibility, refuses to accept the limits of what she is responsible for. Yesterday, she was at the hospital for 7 hours to be with her former mother-in-law. Now, she is paying the price, in bed and in pain. She over did it. And taking on too much responsibility, is paradoxically just another way of not being responsible. Not enjoying a beautiful Sunday with me.) Exodus 18:17-22

Ever watch Empire Strikes Back? Luke asks Yoda how he will know the good side from the bad side. Yoda gives a master class that applies in the REAL world. "You will know when you are calm, at peace, passive. Yoda sensed a lot of anger in Luke and I sense a lack of peace and lack of passivity in you. (You are not wrangling with me; you are wrangling with God.)

 

[TLHKAJ]

In this particular case , HE is right and you are very very wrong .

Brother, you're wrong here. He does not have God's heart where it relates to women. He believes women should be suppressed and have no freedom or rights.

Do you believe women shouldn't have rights like voting, getting a good paying job, or having a bank account, or credit card? Do you believe women can never work outside the home? If you do, you need to read Proverbs 31 very carefully and honestly.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Sad to say that there are many women who would love to be at home with their children but because of financial demands have to work, run a home and bring up children. It’s not always because they want equality , or that they don’t see value in being a stay at home mum , it’s simply that they don’t have a choice. I was fortunate that I could be a stay at home mum , but equally I am not against women having more rights than they use to have. There is a big difference in women choosing to stay at home, and being forced to because the men want them in the kitchen and don’t think they are capable of doing anything else other than being their servants ( or in some cases their slaves )

This.....100%!!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Were men to be celebrated for saying, "Hey honey, I respect our equality, so go out there and plow that field!"?

Proverbs 31:16-17
[16]She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
[17]She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

Why not?? A biblical woman can search out real estate, buy a piece of land, AND plant a vineyard with her own hands.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't think women fell into domestic roles only because of male ego.

It was a survival strategy that women fell into domestic roles. The easier jobs went to the women. The non-domestic roles involved life and death risk.

Because women are more highly valued than men in every society in human history women fell into domestic roles. Feminists are so perverse, they take this elevated worth as oppression. They de-value the indispensable and unique capacity of women to bring forth the next generation, thereby allowing the human species to survive through time. There is no substitute.

Were men to be celebrated for saying, "Hey honey, I respect our equality, so go out there and plow that field!"?

I doubt it.

Why not??

Because plowing the field is secondary to God’s plan of the woman being a helper and partner to man - and the above reasons.

This is the perversion of feminism; to invert the real value of women. My wife and I are getting up there in years. She applied for disability this month. There is no question her ability to plow a field is far less than the average but that is not where her value to me comes from. She is flesh of my flesh. My trusted partner who advises me in every step and stage of life.

I love her feminine perspective, particularly regarding relationships - family and friends. And I don’t make big decisions, especially about finances and the house without getting her invaluable opinion. Many times, what she wants cannot be done. Although I try, I explain to her the limits of the house’s foundations - or our finances. From these facts, we develop together a plan that she’d like and would meet our constraints.

In addition, as my life partner, we play ‘remember when’ in enriching our daily life. Plowing a field pales in comparison. That is why @TLHKAJ!

Hope this helps.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Because plowing the field is secondary to God’s plan of the woman being a helper and partner to man - and the above reasons.

Scripture states otherwise. A woman can very well plant a vineyard. I've done it. I've prepared soil and digged holes to plant gardens, fruit trees, bushes, grape vines, flowers. It isn't unscriptural at all. I was led by God to do so, as it will benefit me and my husband in the short term, and should we sell, it is a selling point, raising property value.

Proverbs 31:16-17
[16]She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
[17]She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

 

[TLHKAJ]

In addition, as my life partner, we play ‘remember when’ in enriching our daily life. Plowing a field pales in comparison. That is why @TLHKAJ!

Maybe that's because it isn't something you and your wife find rewarding. On the contrary, I know couples who find it very rewarding to work in the fields, or do farming chores together. It is enriching... and finding a creek to wade in after a sunny day is also very rewarding.

 

[TLHKAJ]

My wife and I are getting up there in years. She applied for disability this month. There is no question her ability to plow a field is far less than the average but that is not where her value to me comes from. She is flesh of my flesh. My trusted partner who advises me in every step and stage of life.

I love her feminine perspective, particularly regarding relationships - family and friends. And I don’t make big decisions, especially about finances and the house without getting her invaluable opinion. Many times, what she wants cannot be done. Although I try, I explain to her the limits of the house’s foundations - or our finances. From these facts, we develop together a plan that she’d like and would meet our constraints.

In addition, as my life partner, we play ‘remember when’ in enriching our daily life. Plowing a field pales in comparison. That is why @TLHKAJ!

Hope this helps.

I can respect this. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Wrangler]

Scripture states otherwise.

No, it doesn’t!

A woman can very well plant a vineyard.

Agreed. But doing this virtuous thing does not encircle the totality of her worth. Our value comes from being children of God, of following his will.

My wife’s productive capacity is an economic consideration and is but a shadow of her worth as my wife, my wife, flesh of my flesh. Sad that you don’t get it. Indoctrinated into the evils of feminism you are.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Agreed. But doing this virtuous thing does not encircle the totality of her worth. Our value comes from being children of God, of following his will.

I never said it was a woman's worth. lol
Jesus said we all are worth more than many sparrows ... worth the price of the shedding of His blood on the cross. It is in Him that I live and move and have my being. :)

But Biblically, if I want to work with my hands, earn money to buy some land, and then plant a vineyard (or a garden, or a food forest, put chickens and other animals on it to improve the land, etc, etc) .. I am totally within my God-given role as a woman to do so. (And yes, scripture validates this ....Proverbs 31!)

 

[TLHKAJ]

Sad that you don’t get it. Indoctrinated into the evils of feminism you are.

You must be a very sad person. You have completely thrown out everything I've said, including personal examples, and scripture that stands in agreement with what I stated. Yet, you purposefully overlook everything I've shared in this thread and because of your hatred for me personally, you decide the Word of God isn't true simply on the basis that I'm the one who posted it.

I have tried several times to understand you, to meet you where you are ...and your heart won't allow a polite, brotherly exchange.

I'll pray for you and your family ...but there's no need to try with you. Your accusations that I am a feminist based simply on the fact that I quoted scripture and agreed with it, is sickening. You need to examine your heart.

 

[Wrangler]

You have completely thrown out everything I've said, including personal examples, and scripture that stands in agreement with what I stated.

No you didn't quote ANY Scripture to support your view. You do this all the time, make unfounded assertions and claims. Doubling down on sad.

 

[Wrangler]

I know we haven't talked much about this feminist lie but since I found a vid, I thought I'd share it. Equal pay for equal work used to be the feminist mantra. Now, they just want equal pay. Notice how one flight attendant gets another flight attendant to do the "dirty" work of dealing with the belligerent passenger and kicking her off the plane? The 1st 35 seconds of this clip shows how even when men and women have the same title, they don't do the same work.

 

[Naomanos]

The 1st 35 seconds of this clip shows how even when men and women have the same title, they don't do the same work.

Yet, another absolute statement. Not all women are like this and I’m willing to bet, not the majority of women in the workforce aren’t like this.

 

[Naomanos]

No you didn't quote ANY Scripture to support your view. You do this all the time, make unfounded assertions and claims. Doubling down on sad.

And this post right here Post 3009 alone proves that you just lied.

I think an apology to TLHKAJ is in order and repenting to God for lying.

 

[Mink57]

I know we haven't talked much about this feminist lie but since I found a vid, I thought I'd share it. Equal pay for equal work used to be the feminist mantra. Now, they just want equal pay. Notice how one flight attendant gets another flight attendant to do the "dirty" work of dealing with the belligerent passenger and kicking her off the plane? The 1st 35 seconds of this clip shows how even when men and women have the same title, they don't do the same work.

Did you even really WATCH this clip?

The passenger "Scott" who recorded the scene posted about it. Around the 4:38 mark, a portion of his post was highlighted in yellow. If you look 2 paragraphs ABOVE the portion being highlighted, you'll CLEARLY see that Scott said that a flight attendant talked to the women first and it was her SUPERVISOR who actually told the unruly woman to leave.

So in this case, no Wrangler. They did NOT have the same title.

 

[Wrangler]

Did you even really WATCH this clip?

Yes. The stewardess said she’d get someone to talk to the unruly passenger instead of kicking the passenger out herself. you didn’t see that at the 35 second mark?

If you look 2 paragraphs ABOVE the portion being highlighted, you'll CLEARLY see that Scott said that a flight attendant talked to the women first and it was her SUPERVISOR who actually told the unruly woman to leave.

Portion being highlighted?