Wrangler
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Only out of love for Christ. Wives have additional burden to submit to their husbands as to the Lord.
Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism
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No they don't. Husbands and wives are to submit to one another out of love for Christ.
Maybe you just don't understand...or accept what 'submission' means.
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Wrangler
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You are denying the divine yolk due to your enormous ego. See Eph 5:22.
Unfortunately, the way many Bibles are written, they have separated 5:21 from the rest of the chapter. After 5:21, they have it titled something like the Christian household or husband and wife responsibilities (paraphrasing). Not all Bibles do this though. My Catholic NRSV, 5:21 is with the rest of the chapter titled The Christian household.
There is a verse before that. A verse that has no qualifications to it. It doesn't say, to submit one to another, except husbands and wives, out of reverence for Christ. It says, submit one to another, out of reverence for Christ.
I'm not sure her ego is denying the divine yolk, Wrangler.
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The "divine yolk" didn't start at Eph 5:22.
It began with Genesis 1:26. In the beginning, God NEVER said, "Have dominion over your wife...or your husband."
No dominion. No superiority. That was God's ORIGINAL intention.
God DID however say that a "MAN shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his WIFE." (Gen 2:24) It does NOT say that a WOMAN or a WIFE shall leave HER family and cleave unto her HUSBAND" And yet, that's exactly what you patriarchists ignore. SOME societies subscribe to that way of thinking. Others don't. Most women back then left their own families to be with husband. And yet...the bible doesn't say to do that. Hmmmm...
Yeah, according to you, woman is supposed to leave HER family and be "joined" with MAN...only because your patriarchal arrogance dictates so...and not because GOD said so. You want to IGNORE what happened BEFORE the fall, and BLAME the fall on Eve.
...as if Adam didn't have voice. And please don't tell me that Adam was so enchanted with Eve's beauty that he would do ANYTHING for her. That's a line of crock and is NOT biblical.
Meanwhile, so called "Christian men" decided that woman wasn't THAT important. Once married, a woman's identity was 'absorbed' into a man's...by civil law...not BIBLICAL law.
The bible
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The 'divine yolk' was that man cleaved unto woman; NOT that woman cleaved unto man. God allowed a LOT of bad things to happen. Why? Because MAN believes that they don't need God. They figure that THEY already have everything figured out...including that woman was lesser than man.
MY "enormous ego"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sweetie, *I'M* not the one who proclaimed ANY superiority over anyone or any group. However, it's YOU...and other men like yourself, who have proclaimed that men are superior to women intellectually and morally! Talk about an EGO that YOU all have!!!
No sweetie. I'm not denying the "yolk.". It's YOU who uses your own ego to deny it.
Of course. And this has to do with whether one person calls something messy and another calls it lived-in because......?
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Maybe in some instances, but cannot be said for all.
How about, whichever way works for your marriage is best?
With my fiance and I a traditional marriage would not work best, so a traditional wife would not do it better.
I thought she was saying trade wives do it better and I was not sure what she meant. Thought it meant something like farmer wives or something lol.
I don’t know what some thinks that the best for them is the best for everyone. My fiancee is kind of 50/50. She wants to work a few hours a day each morning at a floral design shop and work a few hours from home doing mock designs and so on. Doing all the plant brokerage ordering stuff and so on.
Wrangler
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Imagine women on a Bachelor show competing and when they lose, expected to strip in front of nation? Bachelorette refuses to take responsibility for degrading men.
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amigo de christo
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i live by the saying , whatever GOD says is what is best . Not what man , but what GOD say .
Now i highly suggest all learn that .
The words , the way of GOD is what is best for humanity . The problem is most choose
what to twist , to omit and etc . Now put them rainbow flags down
and the big ol money prosperity gospel , nar and tons of other stuff and lets pick up a bible .
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As I said, a traditional marriage would not work for me. Traditional marriages do not work for every marriage. Just as egalitarian marriages do not work for every marriage.
What works for that particular marriage is what she be done for that marriage and not something that will not work.
I am not a leader. I know this about myself. A traditional marriage where I am the leader would not work. I am not going to do something that will not work. That would be foolish.
I will not be changing how this marriage will be. It will be as I have described it in this thread.
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You can be sad all you want amigo.
If I did it the traditional way, my marriage would be a disaster. So, I’m not going against what I know about myself. I know I am not a leader and I know a traditional marriage will not work for us.
If I did it the traditional way, my marriage would be a disaster. So, I’m not going against what I know about myself. I know I am not a leader and I know a traditional marriage will not work for us.
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