Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Naomanos]

Assuming that not leading will never harm the relationship or you in the relationship is unwise.

Again, your opinion?

Time and life events can change a woman's priorities.

My fiance is 45 and I am 50. We’re not in our early 20’s where our priorities are to have kids, get a career, etc. We both work for the state, so we’re set with our jobs. She has been here for 20 years come January. Ten more years and she’ll get full retirement. I will be here till I retire as I just started with the state a year ago.

I also get this underlining thought from you that a woman should never have her own priorities or interests and that the woman’s priorities and interests should only be what her husband’s is. I’m sorry, but that is not how I feel. My fiance should have her own interests and priorities outside of mine. I actually encourage it. The thing is, our priorities mostly align anyway and at 45 and 50, we don’t have lofty ones like someone much younger.

2. Assuming that your marriage will operate like your grandparents from the word go is also unwise.

Ya'll aren't them. You may not fully understand what efforts were needed to reach what they have now 59 years in. They may have entered the marriage with a lot less baggage and in a time and culture thats a lot more marriage-friendly than ours is now.

I said I am going to model my marriage after my grandparents. My fiancé and I have discussed this at length. This how we feel our marriage will succeed based on who were our as people. Your marriage may be better under the traditional way, that’s fine, it works for your marriage. Egalitarian is how we want to do our marriage and that is what we feel will work for us, based on us.

We also don’t care what the culture thinks of marriage. We will be in the marriage, not the world at large. We’re not out to make culture happy.

Im not under the illusion that youll change any plans.

Thank you for saying so, because you’re right. My plans will not change. Her and I have discussed it and this is how we want to do our marriage. We discussed it again the last couple of days because of this thread and it has only more solidified our plans.

There is no risk free relationship.

You are correct. I am under no illusions that anything in life is truly risk free.

But your eyes should be wide open.

This sounds like I shouldn’t trust my fiance. That surely cannot be what you mean. If I cannot trust her, why am I in a relationship with her or why would I remain in a relationship with her?

 

[MA2444]

This sounds like I shouldn’t trust my fiance. That surely cannot be what you mean. If I cannot trust her, why am I in a relationship with her or why would I remain in a relationship with her?

There's an old saying. I forget who said it but it goes like this.

Trust...but Verify.

 

[Mink57]

There's an old saying. I forget who said it but it goes like this.

Trust...but Verify.

Ronald Regan.

 

[Wrangler]

 

[Naomanos]

I haven’t listened to the second video yet, but one doesn’t need to be in a traditional marriage to have those things. Not all feminist women are the opposite of what she describes. You are blanketing the whole movement with a relatively small subset of bad actors with the same blanket.

Should I start doing the same for those men in traditional marriages where the small subset of abusive men will be the blanket used for all traditional marriages?

I’m gonna guess your answer will be no. So, why don’t you stop doing the same for feminist women? That is unless you won’t stop than you are basically saying that all traditional marriages are evil.

I am not saying that they are, just trying to prove the point that you can’t take the minority and say that the whole is that way.

 

[Wrangler]

Not all feminist women are the opposite of what she describes. You are blanketing the whole movement with a relatively small subset of bad actors with the same blanket.

You’re link @Mink57, appealing to majority fallacy - ALL v some. It’s not about the people! It’s about the evil ideology.

What ideology do you consider evil? Does your assessment of this evil ideology depend on the practitioners?

 

[Naomanos]

You’re link @Mink57, appealing to majority fallacy - ALL v some. It’s not about the people! It’s about the evil ideology.

What ideology do you consider evil? Does your assessment of this evil ideology depend on the practitioners?

The ideology itself isn’t evil. That is your take on it. Not everyone believes that it is an evil ideology and many aren’t even feminists themselves.

There are some that have taken that ideology and evolved it into something evil themselves, but the ideology as it stands without their influence isn’t evil.

 

[Wrangler]

The ideology itself isn’t evil.

100% wrong. Before you entered this thread we delved into how it is worse that communism and fascism combined. But your reply shows you really can’t answer questions. Typical.

 

[Naomanos]

You’re link @Mink57, appealing to majority fallacy - ALL v some. It’s not about the people! It’s about the evil ideology.

What ideology do you consider evil? Does your assessment of this evil ideology depend on the practitioners?

Oh and to answer your question about what ideology do I think is evil, that would be chauvinism, specifically exaggerated patriotism, which this country has a real issue with.

 

[Naomanos]

100% wrong. Before you entered this thread we delved into how it is worse that communism and fascism combined. But your reply shows you really can’t answer questions. Typical.

100% wrong according to your bias. Not 100% wrong in reality.

I answer your questions just fine.

 

[Wrangler]

Legend. LOL

 

[Naomanos]

Legend. LOL

There are many feminists who are married, not depressed, frolic in the sun, aren’t vegan, with great jobs, don’t watch the news and love their husband very much. There are many Christian wives who are married, frolic in the sun, aren’t vegan, quit their terrible job, don’t watch the news, depressed, and hate their husbands. There are women in between with varying differences to that cartoon.

That cartoon is pointless and not based in reality.

 

[Mink57]

100% wrong. Before you entered this thread we delved into how it is worse that communism and fascism combined. But your reply shows you really can’t answer questions. Typical.

No Wrangler. "WE" didn't delve into how feminism is worse than communism and fascism combined. It was only YOU (and maybe one other) who delved into that.

And as usual, you never put forth any proof to back up your ABSOLUTE statements.

 

[Wynona]

I also get this underlining thought from you that a woman should never have her own priorities or interests and that the woman’s priorities and interests should only be what her husband’s is. I’m sorry, but that is not how I feel. My fiance should have her own interests and priorities outside of mine. I actually encourage it. The thing is, our priorities mostly align anyway and at 45 and 50, we don’t have lofty ones like someone much younger.

I never said a wife can never have her own interests and priorities. I said the wife needs to pull in the same direction as her husband. There are interests and pursuits a woman can have that undermine a marriage and this happens often. If I wanted my husband to just be an accessory to my individual goals and interests, then I should be his roommate. Adjusting your goals to serve the marriage is what both husbands and wives should to. Marriage is two becoming one flesh, not a partnership.

This sounds like I shouldn’t trust my fiance. That surely cannot be what you mean. If I cannot trust her, why am I in a relationship with her or why would I remain in a relationship with her?

Non traditonal men and women lock in long term relationships all the time. What gives me anxiety is when people are delusional because it makes them vulnerable.

Biology is what says women crave certain traits in men like confidence, physical strength, protection, and leadership. This is reality, not something people just made up to be oppressive.

A man can still be loved and accepted without those traits. What makes me nervous is when we start preaching that this isn't something males will have to work around---that this will somehow bless a relationship.

Bossy, loud, and strong willed women can be loved too. But thanks to feminism, women are being deluded into thinking this is desirable in dating and that this can never hinder a relationship.

It is very important to know what you actually bring to a relationship because to do otherwise is to set yourself to either be taken advantage of or be grossly dissapointed.

If a loud, bossy, uber feminist woman has a man tell her he loves her in SPITE of those things or that he doesn't really need those things to change...Im not nervous.

If the same woman hears that a man loves her FOR being loud, bossy, and uber feminist... I get nervous.

Some possiblities:

A. He is being half way genuine, but is motivated mainly by his own self-interest...meaning he is going for the relationship mainly because she has no room to demand too much from him in return.

B. He's not being genuine but has an ulterior motive for getting in the relationship... he needs something this woman has or can do for him.

C. He loves her despite being this way or doesnt really mind her being this way but wont admit that its not the draw of the relationship. However he does want to reassure her of his love so he pretends that bossiness in women what he prefers.

D. He genuinely does like bossy loud mouth ladies and prefers them over more agreeable ones. It floats his boat and he's being 100 percent honest and up front. He's not going anywhere any time soon.

Its not that the last possibility never happens or never happens with the genders reversed. Ive seen men loyal to some very very obnoxious women and it is out of love. But feminists act like this is the norm and its making people delusional.

Believing its typical and expected for men to love the bossy bossy babes with zero complications or for women to love a man without leadership or confidence with a pure heart that never wavers is unwise. Most people don't have pure unwavering hearts. Theres a lot of people who simply don't want to be alone or have sinister ulterior motives.

If I were 600 lbs and single, I would not assume there was no one out there for me. But I would be very guarded toward men saying "oh honey your gorgeous just as you are, ill love you forever no matter what" cause talk is cheap. Results are what really matter---not words, not ideals, not good intentions.

A better line is "I don't need you to be a certain size to love you." Better yet is "Sure I may not prefer the weight but I love you for you and Im not going anywhere." I like the honesty there.

Even if a man really means it in the beginning, his resolve will be tested in the actual living life together part. Just because loving me and not needing me to be a certain size was his ideal that doesn't mean that will be the result.

Feminism is about ideals, not reality. Results are what matter to me, not good intentions. I believe you are well intended towards your fiance. Im not confident about the result, regardless of your fiance's actual intentions. The part before the marriage comes is the easy part.

 

[Wrangler]

@Wynona, so much great wisdom in this post.

Biology is what says women crave certain traits in men like confidence, physical strength, protection, and leadership. This is reality, not something people just made up to be oppressive.

I've said it many times in this thread. The ideology of feminism goes against female hypergamous nature. That's why it's losing.

Bossy, loud, and strong willed women can be loved too. But thanks to feminism, women are being deluded into thinking this is desirable in dating and that this can never hinder a relationship.

It is very important to know what you actually bring to a relationship because to do otherwise is to set yourself to either be taken advantage of or be grossly dissapointed.

I work closely with a number of women. They are, shall we say more mature, and down to Earth. They are comfortable with themselves and not out to prove their "equality."

Only the youngest of the group is not married. She has a great, full body laugh that makes me smile when I hear it, even from afar. She's a bit of a feminist, having embraced an independent life style. She believes because of that she can no longer pair bond. I feel sad for her.

Feminism is about ideals, not reality. Results are what matter to me, not good intentions.

Merit. Feminism is so twisted, it blames the patriarchy for all societies woes rather than adore it for creating society and all the inventions, technology and maintaining it all. A merit based system will always win out over an idealistic ideology.

 

[MA2444]

I've said it many times in this thread. The ideology of feminism goes against female hypergamous nature. That's why it's losing.

I think that'll all go away real fast when,,,whatever is going to happen happens. It sure feels like this country is going to have a big event. It could be almost anything. War starts with Russia & China, countrywide earthquake, A false flag Alien invasion? Something big and then there's going to be a whole lot of humble single mothers who get humble overnight!

They still need to eat too. I looked for it sooner than now but we got to be right on the cusp of it. It almost has to happen before Trump is sworn in?

Suddenly all those I don't need a man girls are be going to change their perspective.

 

[Wynona]

This sounds like I shouldn’t trust my fiance. That surely cannot be what you mean. If I cannot trust her, why am I in a relationship with her or why would I remain in a relationship with her?

Trust is the goal but its earned by consistent action. Its not just a given.

Im glad you two are talking more because of this thread.

The best case scenario is that she values loyalty, supportiveness, and kindness in a man above all else. Maybe?

But if this is her type why didn't she marry that kind of man to begin with? He turned out to be a repeat cheater. If that was a mistake she acknowledges and now she wants a man who won't do that to her I can understand that. But she was initially attracted to the sort of man who would and could cheat multiple times.

She should value what you bring to her life and appreciate that, not just desire someone who is not like the ex husband in being disloyal.

 

[Wrangler]

whatever is going to happen happens. It sure feels like this country is going to have a big event.

we got to be right on the cusp of it.

Pastor Steve Ciocalanti said we are in Revelation 6. The 2nd Horse of the Apocolypse was released with the start of the Ukraine war. Each horse has 2.5 years, putting the 3rd Horse release to coincide closely with the mid term. World wide financial collapse.

 

[Naomanos]

Trust is the goal but its earned by consistent action. Its not just a given.

Im glad you two are talking more because of this thread.

The best case scenario is that she values loyalty, supportiveness, and kindness in a man above all else. Maybe?

But if this is her type why didn't she marry that kind of man to begin with? He turned out to be a repeat cheater. If that was a mistake she acknowledges and now she wants a man who won't do that to her I can understand that. But she was initially attracted to the sort of man who would and could cheat multiple times.

She should value what you bring to her life and appreciate that, not just desire someone who is not like the ex husband in being disloyal.

I will reply to your posts a bit later. My fiance will reply through me to this one I believe. We’re out at Sea World and now headed to Disney. After the last couple of weeks, especially last weekend having to put down my second dog in 8 months, we need some time away from home and doing something fun.

 

[Mink57]

I think that'll all go away real fast when,,,whatever is going to happen happens. It sure feels like this country is going to have a big event. It could be almost anything. War starts with Russia & China, countrywide earthquake, A false flag Alien invasion? Something big and then there's going to be a whole lot of humble single mothers who get humble overnight!

Says WHO?!

They still need to eat too. I looked for it sooner than now but we got to be right on the cusp of it. It almost has to happen before Trump is sworn in?

Suddenly all those I don't need a man girls are be going to change their perspective.

Again, sez WHO?! It's a shame that some of you guys think that you're "all THAT" and then some, that EVERY woman should be swooning at your feet!

Seriously MA, some men really don't get that a woman would rather live in a box...under the freeway...in the pouring rain...digging her meal out of a dumpster...than live in mansion with a man who has no love in his heart, and only contempt for her...believing that she's only good for cooking, cleaning, and ska-rooing.

I'll take my chances in that box ANY DAY.