Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

One day women will realise what feminism has robbed them of​

 

[Mink57]

1st Wave feminist and author of The War Against Boys explains the balance of privilege women have. She says the feminist movement's failure is not acknowledging the privelge women have over men. Well thought out.

Ok. I'll give this a go......

So far, I agree with her. There are ways in which men are privileged, and ways that women are.

At 1:43, she says that one of the 'burdens' of men, is that they're less educated. O.k. But why is that the fault of feminism? No woman twists a mans arm and tells him NOT to go to college. That's on HIM.

At least she acknowledges that there's a wage gap. She says it's not as "extreme" as they say...Point is, there shouldn't be a wage gap AT ALL. Not even by one CENT.

She talks about how men do the 'dangerous' jobs. Once again, who made THAT 'rule' that ONLY men are to do 'dangerous' jobs? PLUS MOST men do NOT do the 'dangerous' jobs!!! But my goodness...you can't say, "Well, men do all these dangerous jobs" yet if a woman wants to also help society by doing the same job, that somehow she's WRONG.

She now says that "we" should not focus on one sex OR the other. I AGREE!!!!!!!! And yet, that's what patriarchy did.

Interesting how she blames feminism for not looking at society as a whole. And yet...that's what patriarchy did!

I'm about halfway through with this. Will continue in a bit....

 

[Wrangler]

This is a vid that reveals the sexism against men.

 

[Mink57]

LOL. I am happily married and had great relationships with women all my life. You won't find me going on and on and on about how resentful and bitter I am about the women I chose.

Instead, you go on and on about the women you DIDN'T choose.

Regarding breakups; They are hard. Everyone knows. I've expressed great respect for my 1st wife, who is the only women I made life with. Sure, I can share why we broke up but I won't. I don't because I'm not bitter. You nurse unending bitterness. You'd be so much happier if you triumphed over feminism. Another bad choice you make.

Yes, breakups ARE hard indeed.

And please stop telling me that I'd be 'so much happier if I triumphed over feminism'. I'll be happy when we treat others the way we want to be treated. That's not about feminism, but about humanism.

 

[Wrangler]

Instead, you go on and on about the women you DIDN'T choose.

Nope. I'm typing this slowly so you will be able to read it better ... I go on and on about feminists. It goes without saying that I would NEVER choose them.

 

[Mink57]

Denial. I wonder how many men in high school identify "stay at home" as a career path? So consumed with victim mentality, you cannot acknowledge the privileged position women have.

What a hypocrite you are. Posting a vid that explicitly states that BOTH men and women have 'privileged positions' in life....and yet, your only concern is about WOMEN'S so-called 'privileged' position.

Since you put yourself on top of doing homework, show me. Show me the stats on how many in high school plan to be a stay at home spouse and is the 50:50 men and women. Come on now!

Oh brother......MOST kids don't have their whole LIFE mapped out in high school!

 

[Wrangler]

Ok. I'll give this a go......

Good ...

At 1:43, she says that one of the 'burdens' of men, is that they're less educated. O.k. But why is that the fault of feminism?

Competitive Feminism. IF you truly were about equality, that would be the goal and you would not use blame as an excuse not to strive to make men equal in ways they are less than.

And another thing I must point out. Your never ending bitterness prevents you from EVER having compassion for the plight of men.

 

[Mink57]

Nope. I'm typing this slowly so you will be able to read it better ... I go on and on about feminists. It goes without saying that I would NEVER choose them.

What's with your put downs?

You would NEVER choose them? EVEN if a feminist was fighting for men's causes too?

Be careful with your "always" and "never" attitudes, Wrangler.

 

[Mink57]

Good ...


Competitive Feminism. IF you truly were about equality, that would be the goal and you would not use blame as an excuse not to strive to make men equal in ways they are less than.

And another thing I must point out. Your never ending bitterness prevents you from EVER having compassion for the plight of men.

Riiiiiight. That's why I PROTESTED in the late 70's about men being FORCED to sign up for the draft at 18......because I have NO COMPASSION for the plight of men.....big FAT eyeroll....

I told you before...I'm about FAIRNESS. I no more want to see a man regulated to a 'dangerous' job, than I want to see a woman regulated to a 'safe' job. I don't want to see a man regarded as a 'sissy' or a 'coward' ...or thrown in jail because he doesn't want to fight in a war he doesn't believe in, anymore, than I'd want to see a woman sexually harassed because she DOES want to fight for what SHE believes in.

I don't want to see a man regarded as 'weak' because HE feels compassion for others. My goodness, Wrangler...JESUS WEPT! Is he less of a man in YOUR eyes because he did? Is he less of a man in your eyes because he didn't go into combat...or work on an oil rig? Or discover a new country?

Jesus treated women a LOT differently than the men of that time and culture, treated women. Remember when the WOMAN who was caught "in the very act of adultery" was brought to Jesus? The men wanted HER stoned, while dismissing the man's transgression. Jesus wouldn't hear of it. He used the principle of....the Golden Rule...of 'Do Unto Others'...to make his case. He KNEW that men had adultery 'in their hearts' at the Sermon on the Mount....and USED that to demonstrate their hypocrisy when the adulterous woman was brought to him. Jesus had more RESPECT for women than men have for women TODAY.

Like I've said before, if MORE men acted like JESUS, there would be NO PROBLEM.

 

[Skovand]

Ok. I'll give this a go......

So far, I agree with her. There are ways in which men are privileged, and ways that women are.

At 1:43, she says that one of the 'burdens' of men, is that they're less educated. O.k. But why is that the fault of feminism? No woman twists a mans arm and tells him NOT to go to college. That's on HIM.

At least she acknowledges that there's a wage gap. She says it's not as "extreme" as they say...Point is, there shouldn't be a wage gap AT ALL. Not even by one CENT.

She talks about how men do the 'dangerous' jobs. Once again, who made THAT 'rule' that ONLY men are to do 'dangerous' jobs? PLUS MOST men do NOT do the 'dangerous' jobs!!! But my goodness...you can't say, "Well, men do all these dangerous jobs" yet if a woman wants to also help society by doing the same job, that somehow she's WRONG.

She now says that "we" should not focus on one sex OR the other. I AGREE!!!!!!!! And yet, that's what patriarchy did.

Interesting how she blames feminism for not looking at society as a whole. And yet...that's what patriarchy did!

I'm about halfway through with this. Will continue in a bit....

Also the gap between men and women going to college is rather fairly new. Was not that long ago in America that men far outnumbered women. But as soon as we get out of first world modern America, those stats change. Throughout the Middle East women can’t even go outside at night, or drive a car and most don’t even finish 6 years of school in some places. Feminism is not just for Americans.

 

[Wynona]

@Mink57

Thanks for the compliment earlier. You said something like if men were more like Jesus we wouldn't need feminism or respect in marriage would be easier.

I agree with both. My question to you is this: has feminism caused women to push to be better in their overall character than men and treat others as they wish to be treated?

I believe feminism is mainly a rejection of patriarchy. One of my biggest issues with the movement is that it's so focused on attacking tradition and patriarchy that it fails to replace it with anything half as good or better.

I have seen a lot of women wanting to compete down rather than up with men.

"I can sleep around casually and brag about it just like men do!"

"I can be rude and get my way! Male bosses are respected for it, why can't I?"

"I should be free to wear no shirt in public! Its not fair if men can do it!"

Why are the messages from feminists so focused on getting women to imitate low tier male behaviour just because they percieve men as getting a free pass?

This is why fairness is not some virtue that needs to be chased at all costs. Its unfair that more men commit suicide than women. The answer isn't to call suicide good.

There are plenty of things in the world that are unfair but it would cause even more harm to try and change them than to leave it alone.

 

[Skovand]

@Mink57

Thanks for the compliment earlier. You said something like if men were more like Jesus we wouldn't need feminism or respect in marriage would be easier.

I agree with both. My question to you is this: has feminism caused women to push to be better in their overall character than men and treat others as they wish to be treated?

I believe feminism is mainly a rejection of patriarchy. One of my biggest issues with the movement is that it's so focused on attacking tradition and patriarchy that it fails to replace it with anything half as good or better.

I have seen a lot of women wanting to compete down rather than up with men.

"I can sleep around casually and brag about it just like men do!"

"I can be rude and get my way! Male bosses are respected for it, why can't I?"

"I should be free to wear no shirt in public! Its not fair if men can do it!"

Why are the messages from feminists so focused on getting women to imitate low tier male behaviour just because they percieve men as getting a free pass?

This is why fairness is not some virtue that needs to be chased at all costs. Its unfair that more men commit suicide than women. The answer isn't to call suicide good.

There are plenty of things in the world that are unfair but it would cause even more harm to try and change them than to leave it alone.

What do you think of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974? Should they have left that alone or should they have tried to fix it?

 

[Wynona]

What do you think of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1974? Should they have left that alone or should they have tried to fix it?

Without running to professor Google... isn't that the act that made it illegal to pay higher wages to anyone based on gender or any other factor like that?

My take is likely that they ought to have left it alone. Paying breadwinners a family wage was a good thing. Now everyone is paid as an individual unit and I think this has been a net negative for society.

Of course this is just one of several reasons why there is no discrimination based gender wage gap but Im digressing.

I didn't forget about the links you posted...i plan to look at them and comment soon.

 

[Skovand]

Without running to professor Google... isn't that the act that made it illegal to pay higher wages to anyone based on gender or any other factor like that?

My take is likely that they ought to have left it alone. Paying breadwinners a family wage was a good thing. Now everyone is paid as an individual unit and I think this has been a net negative for society.

Of course this is just one of several reasons why there is no discrimination based gender wage gap but Im digressing.

I didn't forget about the links you posted...i plan to look at them and comment soon.

That’s now what it is. The ECO Act is the feminist flight right for women to have a right to credit. If you went back to 1965 you would not have been allowed to have a credit account.

But you may not care based off of your other response where women’s spaces should just be the bedroom and kitchen which is exactly what it means to say women should be kept out of the work space. The inability to have an income or credit is what pushed so many women to stay in abusive relationships because they had no way to leave. The role you want for women is identical to that of Islamic extremism that pushes the agenda of women being second class citizens whose only purpose is to make food and have babies and that they should have no real hobbies or interests outside of being a wife to a man who owns her. Very similar to the outlook the colonizers had for African Americans.

 

[Skovand]

I’m curious do you think men and women are equals? If so, how are they equals in the home and workplace? Or are women only equals when agreeing with their husband.

 

[Wrangler]

I’m curious do you think men and women are equals? If so, how are they equals in the home and workplace? Or are women only equals when agreeing with their husband.

Who are you asking? FYI, this question has been thoroughly answered and dissected already in the 100+ page thread.

 

[Wynona]

I’m curious do you think men and women are equals? If so, how are they equals in the home and workplace? Or are women only equals when agreeing with their husband.

The role you want for women is identical to that of Islamic extremism that pushes the agenda of women being second class citizens whose only purpose is to make food and have babies and that they should have no real hobbies or interests outside of being a wife to a man who owns her.

I support biblical patriarchy. The husband protects, cherishes, honors, and puts his life on the line for his wife.

Many feminists act as if we need their agenda in order for women to have any freedom and before feminism, wives were property to be abused and mistreated. History was apparently just this bleak landscape of oppression before feminism.

Men did take ownership of their wives, children, land, and country. But most of them took ownership in the sense that it was on them to ensure the wellbeing and security of their wives.

Men were definitely abusive under patriarchy. There is no utopian system where that isn't a thing. But under Christian patriarchy, good men felt empowered to beat the crap out of men who abused their wives.

Today, you have more "equality" but guys will do nothing to intervene if they see a woman getting hit because they could get in trouble, its none of their business, and its 2024 so she should handle it herself.

Patriarchy inspired men to make their families and communities better because they could feel ownership and like their work was rewarded. They knew it was on them to make sure their families got fed. often in grueling work conditions that no sane person would ever want a woman to work in.

Fighting patriarchy simply weakens good men in their pursuit of good lives and relationships and empowers evil men to exploit women and children unchecked.

Feminists say "own" and it always implies abuse. But taking ownership is how good men do incredible works of sacrifice for the good of the weak who need help in this world.

 

[Wrangler]

Also the gap between men and women going to college is rather fairly new.

So, inequality is OK if it is new. Gotcha!

 

[Wrangler]

Why are the messages from feminists so focused on getting women to imitate low tier male behaviour just because they percieve men as getting a free pass?

Blind to how this evil ideology degrades women. "Freedom" is a great means but a terrible ends.

 

[Skovand]

I support biblical patriarchy. The husband protects, cherishes, honors, and puts his life on the line for his wife.

Many feminists act as if we need their agenda in order for women to have any freedom and before feminism, wives were property to be abused and mistreated. History was apparently just this bleak landscape of oppression before feminism.

Men did take ownership of their wives, children, land, and country. But most of them took ownership in the sense that it was on them to ensure the wellbeing and security of their wives.

Men were definitely abusive under patriarchy. There is no utopian system where that isn't a thing. But under Christian patriarchy, good men felt empowered to beat the crap out of men who abused their wives.

Today, you have more "equality" but guys will do nothing to intervene if they see a woman getting hit because they could get in trouble, its none of their business, and its 2024 so she should handle it herself.

Patriarchy inspired men to make their families and communities better because they could feel ownership and like their work was rewarded. They knew it was on them to make sure their families got fed. often in grueling work conditions that no sane person would ever want a woman to work in.

Fighting patriarchy simply weakens good men in their pursuit of good lives and relationships and empowers evil men to exploit women and children unchecked.

Feminists say "own" and it always implies abuse. But taking ownership is how good men do incredible works of sacrifice for the good of the weak who need help in this world.

So women are not equal to their husbands if they are in disagreement and it’s the duty of the woman to essentially be owned by her husband, and being owned by her husband is a good thing because it makes men take more pride in their community?

Feminist don’t think that women should rule the world. They think women and men should be equals. They don’t think before feminism the world was bleak. They think that systematic oppression carried out by controlling power systems need to be dismantled and handled with equality. Such as focusing on racial equality, gender equality, religious equality and so on. Intersectional feminism for example help fight against the bans on interracial marriages. Feminist joined the army to help fight against those who would rather remove the rights of people, including women. Burn the bra movement for example. You kind of hinted on that earlier. It actually started as a protest against beauty pageants where they felt women were being prized solely on their looks and not on their thinking .

Time and time again has shown that diversity results in better help. Just look at how gays men and women helped fight against the 80s AIDs epidemic.

It’s odd to argue men should be solely in power so that good men can beat up bad men who beat up their wives and kids because the wife and kids are being oppressed by their controlling husbands….