Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[MA2444]

Oh knock it off. The POINT is that women have an EQUAL right to divorce men.

If this is the truth, then how do we measure this against truth? How do we confirm in other words? Easy, with the word of God, The Book of Truth. Do it agree or disagree with the word of God?

Don't start preaching your secular laws to me, we are children of God first, are we not? So what does the word say about women having a right to divorce her husband, and for what reasons?

 

[MA2444]

I get the flip is true also...but I think the confusion of gender roles and responsibilities has ruined society to the point it cannot be corrected until the Lord returns.

I think that's incoorect thinking?

Jesus has already won the Victory, ok? Agreed? We are to enforce the Victory until he arrives. So we have a lot of participation implied there. The only thing that evil needs to triumph is for good men to say nothing. We cant be neutral and just wait on the Lord.

Say to her, No honey, now would you go make me a sandwich?

 

[MA2444]

humility comes before honor.
Proverbs 18:12

Truth. And we cant forget that this is also an exercise in delayed gratification, so our relief may not be until we get to heaven! Be patient and humble yourself.

 

[face2face]

Say to her, No honey, now would you go make me a sandwich?

Just wait, I'll go and get her and you can try!

 

[Wrangler]

I made an advice post for my facebook group with a lot of newer traditionally minded wives.

Chores were a huge source of contention for my husband and I as newlyweds. But it didn't need to be. View attachment 51303

Men who live alone usually live utilitarian.

I’ve noticed this many times. Men make life possible. Women make life worth living. Men make a house. Women turn the house into a home. Men are the head. Women are the heart.

The divine dance.

 

[Wynona]

Jesus has already won the Victory, ok? Agreed? We are to enforce the Victory until he arrives. So we have a lot of participation implied there. The only thing that evil needs to triumph is for good men to say nothing. We cant be neutral and just wait on the Lord.

Men are the gatekeepers of sound doctrine. We need ya'll to hold the line.

I can do my part and live an honorable life in Godly submission and service but without men feeling and acting on the weight of responsibility for others, I have a fraction of effect on the culture.

A Godly marriage reflects the gospel.

 

[MA2444]

Men are the gatekeepers of sound doctrine. We need ya'll to hold the line.

I can do my part and live an honorable life in Godly submission and service but without men feeling and acting on the weight of responsibility for others, I have a fraction of effect on the culture.

A Godly marriage reflects the gospel.

Fractional effect or not, it makes a difference. You are a fractional being. How many cells are there in your body? Millions, billions. Fractional has it's part, just as we are fractional parts of the body of Christ. And yes a Godly marriage reflects the gospel! Very much so in fact. And scripture says, let your light so shine before men.

 

[MA2444]

Men are the gatekeepers of sound doctrine. We need ya'll to hold the line.

If Eve had double checked with her Husband before eating the fruit, who knows where we'd be right now! She cheated on Adam sort of by not checking with him.

 

[MA2444]

Men who live alone usually live utilitarian.

That's me. I noticed my socks do match today, lol. That's a plus.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Every now and then, I come across Scripture that is a testament to the divine value of inequality.

Leviticus 21:16-20
New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition
16 The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 17 “Speak to Aaron and say: No one of your offspring throughout their generations who has a blemish may approach to offer the food of his God. 18 Indeed, no one who has a blemish shall draw near, one who is blind or lame, or one who is mutilated or deformed,[a] 19 or one who has a broken foot or a broken hand, 20 or a hunchback, or a dwarf, or a man with a defect in his eyes or an itching disease or scabs or crushed testicles.

Although not particularly focused on the perversion of feminism, the principle stands. Who may not approach are not equal to those who may.

I’m so confused. I get you may say that’s another first true thing I’ve said. But it baffles me the line of thinking here. For the life of me I don’t see how the above to you proves God is not equal. all those things above are outward things, yet doesn’t God judge not by the outward appearances but by the inward, heart? So how does God saying those things listed can not come near unto Him prove God is not equal? Is it to say God shows prospect of persons? Isn’t it obvious a man with a crush testicle, or someone with a broken hand or foot…is God so superficial that all those things above can not come near Him? Aren’t those the ones in need of a physician?

Proverbs 26:7 The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.

Ezekiel 18:29 Yet says the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?

Ezekiel 33:17 Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.

They say….

Matthew 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and You have made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
…which is offensive to them. They cry it’s not fair! Imo) that is profound because Jesus Christ didn’t cry “it’s not fair that I have Bourne the burden or the heat of the day” and “Father you made them equal unto Me.”

 

[Wrangler]

For the life of me I don’t see how the above to you proves God is not equal. all those things above are outward things, yet doesn’t God judge not by the outward appearances but by the inward, heart?

You are confused AND asking a question with an implied premise. Feminism embraces so many false premises that lead to false conclusions AND confusion. It's not that God is unequal; it's that he judges unequal things unequally.

I showed you a verse that unequivocally shows God does, in fact, judge outward things AS UNEQUAL, which they are. I realize there are many falsehoods embraced in Christiandom, false doctrines, and you have encountered one. Let me clarify the situation for you (knowing it opens me to be accused of mansplainin. LOL). God is the judge of ALL things.

The idea that God judges the heart over external things is not to say he does not also judge external things as evidenced by the verse cited. If this verse does not prove God judges unequal things as unequal, what set of words would prove it?

Finally, what does it say about our heart when we rationalize NOT giving God our best, inward and outward?

 

[Mink57]

If this is the truth, then how do we measure this against truth? How do we confirm in other words? Easy, with the word of God, The Book of Truth. Do it agree or disagree with the word of God?

Don't start preaching your secular laws to me, we are children of God first, are we not?

Since when is "Do Unto Others..." a secular law? Is it not what Jesus taught? Is it NOT the "law and the prophets"?

So what does the word say about women having a right to divorce her husband, and for what reasons?

Mark 10:11, 12: "So He told them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

Jesus recognized that both husbands and wives had the right to divorce each other AND neither husband or wife had the right to remarry IF they divorced.

1 Corinthians 7:10-16: "Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.

12But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

Paul recognized husbands and wives having equal rights to divorce and separate, as well as equal rights within marriage. He also recognized that IF husbands and wives DID separate/divorce, they were to remain unmarried or become reconciled to their spouses.

As far as the reason(s) for divorce, Jesus DID say, in Matthew 19:19 "I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful*) and marries another..." Jesus made it clear that sometimes there ARE legitimate reasons for divorce. Marrying a parent...sibling...close relative...someone too young...for example. Then again, SOME Bible versions replace the word "unlawful" from the passage with another word that has to do with being 'unchaste'. A.k.a. adultery/fornication.

While Jesus' directive seemed to be aimed at men, it's obvious that women could also commit these same transgressions.

The whole idea of the American Colonists granting a man to divorce his wife without granting the wife the same remedy was not biblical.

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[Wrangler]

Ezekiel 33:17 Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.

Indeed.

Ezekiel 33:17
English Standard Version
“Yet your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just,’ when it is their own way that is not just.

The way of feminism is NOT just for it embraces THE PERVERSION OF EQUALITY.

 

[MA2444]

Since when is "Do Unto Others..." a secular law? Is it not what Jesus taught? Is it NOT the "law and the prophets"?

I thought you was going to say it is legal for a woman to divorce her husband so it's ok...

The whole idea of the American Colonists granting a man to divorce his wife without granting the wife the same remedy was not biblical.

save for the cause of fornication. (Matthew 5:32). Jesus didnt recognize equal rights in divorce except for one reason, fornication, cheating. There's no irreconcilable differences in the Kingdom of Heaven. So it wasnt a blank check for women to divorce their husbands for any reason.

 

[Mink57]

So they're teaching it to the young ones now...

Ohhh, so THAT'S your ploy! Younger women can't think for themselves, so older divorced women MUST be teaching the younger ones.

If we're each responsible for our own behavior then why wont women? They admit nothing, deny everything and take no accountability at all.

Sounds more like a man than a woman.

Even women who are several times divorced who wont admit that they chose poorly have an accountabilitity to themselves and must admit that, they done wrong. You reap what you sow. Or maybe you're trying to tell me that the poor victim girl dont know how to say no?

You really don't get how *evil* some MEN can be.

I dont buy that. She liked it. You liked it. You must have because went back for more. One time can be an honest mistake. Seeveral times and there's an obvious problem, obvious to everyone but the poor little dumb girl who dont know how to say no.

Liked it? No. Half expected it well....Again, you seem to believe that ALL men or even MOST men are "good" men.
They're not.

Cute, but no. They've only used that line in several movies so I know you've heard it before and are playing dumb, lol.

Of COURSE I was playing dumb! I mean, DUH!!! The only thing missing was me telling you I was twirling my fingers around my hair and batting my eyes!

Is this about the Choktaw Indians again? Can Chocktaw Indian girls make a good sandwich? Can they cook out of the dust of the ground like Polish girls can?!

Choctaw girls could probably made a decent sandwich AND cook the dust out of the ground...in addition to, sitting on tribunals, war councils, elect their chiefs, and boot them out of office, if the men got out of line...with support of other men.

I wouldnt marry a women who was allowed to divorce me. They already file for 80% of all divorces...

Ahhh, and THERE'S the rub! Was perfectly o.k. for MEN to assign themselves the legal authority to divorce women 80% of the time, but not for women to have the same legal power. Once again, Do Unto Others...

That dont surprise me, no clue. He loved Eve and didnt want her to have to be alone in guilt towards God. Because he loved her. Where would women be if Adam had abandoned Eve? Eve would have had a broken spirit, against God and man and who knows if redemption would even be possible unless they stood as one?

Where in the world in Genesis does it say that? It doesn't. You're grasping at straws....more like swizzle sticks, to make your point. Why not stick to the facts?

You gotta let go of that bitterness that you hold against men and admit to yourself that you made terrible mistakes...but have learned from it now?

Ohfercryinoutloud. You and that whole "bitterness against men..." deal. I don't have "bitterness against MEN". I have bitterness against SOME men who think like YOU. That women are 'inferior'...women have a place in society that doesn't include them in any significant contribution to society. Did I pick the wrong men? Obviously. Did I know ahead of time? Nope.

If you cant keep a man in a relationship, how would you be able to keep a relationship with the Lord?

Are you kidding me? To paraphrase an excerpt from one of the founders of feminism from the 1800's, "If ALL men were like Jesus, women would have NO PROBLEM 'submitting' to them." Jesus NEVER once said that men are superior to women. I will submit to Jesus BEFORE I will submit to ANY man who doesn't think like Jesus. Again, Do Unto Others.

You reap what you sow. So you made terrible choices, so what? We all did. You aint alone, so stop playing the lone victim.

Not playing the 'lone victim'. PLENTY of women have been in my previous position. For the past 10 years, God has kept me away from the men who would DESTROY my soul. Have mentioned a 'man of interest' here before. He's NOTHING like you describe as a "man". He GETS me, and I GET him.

You remember Pogo cartoon strip? You should.
"We have seen the Enemy and he is US"

Never seen or heard of it.

 

[Mink57]

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And 99.1% of men AREN'T electricians....
97% of men AREN'T carpenters...
98% AREN'T bricklayers or masons...
98% AREN'T auto mechanics...
97% AREN'T welders...
96% AREN'T machinsts...
95% AREN'T welders....

Let's not forget that it's the WOMEN who give birth to the welders and that auto mechanics and the machinsts...AND that SOME of those women go on to become welders and mechanics and machinists. Why is a woman's contribution to society written out of history, JUST because she's a woman?

That washer you use right now? Yeah...a concept by a WOMAN. Those credit cards you use? Again, thank a WOMAN for getting you that credit card...in your OWN name. Chemotherapy? Yup. Again, WOMAN.

Women have played an integral part in that history. That computer you're using? The programming you're using? ALSO by a woman.

You're doing a disservice to women by not recognizing their contribution to society.

 

[Mink57]

I thought you was going to say it is legal for a woman to divorce her husband so it's ok...



save for the cause of fornication. (Matthew 5:32). Jesus didnt recognize equal rights in divorce except for one reason, fornication, cheating. There's no irreconcilable differences in the Kingdom of Heaven. So it wasnt a blank check for women to divorce their husbands for any reason.

Paul cleaned that issue up.

You're right. No blank check for a woman to divorce her husband, but no blank check for a husband to divorce his wife.

And yet...many men did just that. They wrote THEMSELVES a blank check without even considering that she had needs of her own.

 

[MA2444]

Ohhh, so THAT'S your ploy! Younger women can't think for themselves, so older divorced women MUST be teaching the younger ones.

Well they're learning it somewhere and it isnt from men. How many more choices are there? Oh.

Sounds more like a man than a woman.

Why? I'm divorced too and I dont badmouth women at all. I dont play the blame game. It was my fault that she left. Can you say the same?

You really don't get how *evil* some MEN can be.

Yeah but I dont hang around them guys, never have. WHy did you?

Liked it? No. Half expected it well....Again, you seem to believe that ALL men or even MOST men are "good" men.
They're not.

I never said that all men are good men, those are your words. I said you liked that type of men. The way I know you like them is because of the sheer amount of failed relationships you have had. o one is so stupid that they didnt see the same thing coming 4, 5 6 times...! I bet you never gave any good men a chance, you friend zoned them and went with the bad boys. No wonder you have such hatred for men, it's all you know...

So your carrying around emotional damage and it's affecting the way you think. Ask the Lord to heal your emotional damage and to heal your heart from bitterness....

If you want me to agree that some men are truely and highly evil and accept that as a concept, then you have to do the same thing and admit that you know that there some good men in the world that really do know how to love a Wife properly, or to our best ability! Will you do that?

Of COURSE I was playing dumb! I mean, DUH!!! The only thing missing was me telling you I was twirling my fingers around my hair and batting my eyes!

Forgive me for mansplaining it. Obvious joke, I know. Now go make me a sandwich, lol!

Choctaw girls could probably made a decent sandwich AND cook the dust out of the ground...in addition to, sitting on tribunals, war councils, elect their chiefs, and boot them out of office, if the men got out of line...with support of other men.

Was the Choktaw girls in fear of a male uprising or something? All I know, is that Polish girls can cook circles around American girls!

Are you modeling your life after the Choctaw girls? Put them down and keep them down? Yeah...good luck with that.

Ahhh, and THERE'S the rub! Was perfectly o.k. for MEN to assign themselves the legal authority to divorce women 80% of the time, but not for women to have the same legal power. Once again, Do Unto Others...

The word of God gave man that authority over the woman. And women learned that, it's ok for fornication so I'll just cheat and then we can get divorced...and now! WOmen file 80% of all divorces (between man and woman!)

The women would have to be fair about it but theyir not. Women are all, oh and I get the house and half of everything he has ever worked for too and he has to make me payments also. So they can show a profit on the way out the door. Who gave women the right to rake the men over the coals in a divorce? So I propose Man's new rule to counter that crap! It's called pre nuptial agreements and mandatory DNA testing for every birth to any married couple.

How's that?

Where in the world in Genesis does it say that? It doesn't. You're grasping at straws....more like swizzle sticks, to make your point. Why not stick to the facts?

Because, I know how men think. I am a man, and I think! And I'm prolly not even as smart as Adam was! And I can see that what some women spout is garbage. We prolly met one time when I was younger and I dont remember because you were one of them that I said no too!

Now calm down that was a joke, lol. But geez, the stuff you shovelin' whoa.

Ohfercryinoutloud. You and that whole "bitterness against men..." deal. I don't have "bitterness against MEN". I have bitterness against SOME men who think like YOU. That women are 'inferior'...women have a place in society that doesn't include them in any significant contribution to society. Did I pick the wrong men? Obviously. Did I know ahead of time? Nope.

You display bitterness towards men in almost every post of yours! Some men you say, but the type that does NOT think like I do. If I thought like those bums you date then I wouldnt have been married for 26 years. Get em young and be good to them and love them with all my heart. I hovered over her when she was pregnant. I walked to 7-11 at 3:00 am because she had a craving! I was present at every doctor appointment and saw both of my sons born I was right there in the delivery room. (I still have the greens they let me wear when my first son was born!) I loved her and I showed it. She stayed for 26 years didnt she? How long was your longest relationship/marriage?

You just never been loved that's all. And you made a series of idiotic choices for yourself.

Are you kidding me? To paraphrase an excerpt from one of the founders of feminism from the 1800's, "If ALL men were like Jesus, women would have NO PROBLEM 'submitting' to them." Jesus NEVER once said that men are superior to women. I will submit to Jesus BEFORE I will submit to ANY man who doesn't think like Jesus. Again, Do Unto Others.

Nice. Rhymes. Great cliche type material. Only it isnt true. I can explain but I have to flip the script, lol.

You cant say your inability to choose and keep a good man means that you would naurally treat Jesus better and have no problem submitting to Him! What makes you think that you would treat Jesus so much better, if you couldnt keep a man?

And now your emotioally damaged and have a root of bitterness within your heart towards all men somewhat. Well, Newsflash Sister, Jesus is a man too!

Scripture says as a man thinks in his heart so is he. You have to let go of all that bitterness. For all we know it could be a spirit of Bitterness by now? It is written that we are to diligently guard our hearts for out of the heart come the issues of life! You should address that stuff to yourself with the Lord's guidance. Sounds dangerous.

Not playing the 'lone victim'. PLENTY of women have been in my previous position. For the past 10 years, God has kept me away from the men who would DESTROY my soul. Have mentioned a 'man of interest' here before. He's NOTHING like you describe as a "man". He GETS me, and I GET him.

I wasnt trying to get your man or understand him, I ws speaking for myself and mankind as far as my experience goes. So you lost me, lol.

Never seen or heard of it.

Never heard of the Pogo cartoon strip? You didnt at least read the funny pages as a kid? I thought you said we was only two years apart? You didnt like to read as a kid?

I used to read most whole newspaper when I was young, lol. STarting with the funny pages. I was reading at home at 5 yrs old. I could pretty much read when I went into kindergarten. Huh. That's a long time.

I'll pray for you Sister.

 

[Wynona]

Those credit cards you use? Again, thank a WOMAN for getting you that credit card...

False. Frank McNamara invented the credit card.

Women have played an integral part in that history. That computer you're using? The programming you're using? ALSO by a woman.

Which woman? The one who invented the computer is Charles Babbage. Ada Lovelace was an assistant to coding.

Feminists downplay women's contributions by only acknowledging traditionally masculine achievements such as inventing, building, etc. The woman's nurture and building of her home and community get silence or mockery from feminists.

Envy is a terrible thing. And if we want to compete in terms only chauvinistic men think of we are destined to be miserable.

 

[Wynona]

That washer you use right now? Yeah...a concept by a WOMAN.

No

In 1851, James King invented the first rotary washer.

Orlando B. Woodrow invented the first electric washing machine in 1907.

Alva J. Fisher, a woman invented the first electric washing machine to go to market a year later.

A woman did not come up with the concept of the washing machine.

You accused me of doing women a disservice by not recognizing their contributions.

The topic of this thread is triumphing over feminism. Why would I resort to assigning value to women on feminist terms? Terms that say women are only valuable if they compete with men?

No job really is important without the task of raising the next generation. It's our distinctiveness that makes the world go round, not competing on traditionally masculine ground. Biblical patriarchy does a better job of acknowledging this.