Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Eternally Grateful]

Some men do pick wrong women. I aint just putting it on the woman to choose. I'm saying the opposite, the Fathers should choose for them. There'd be less divorce overall.

Divorce is due to selfishness not who chose a spouse

 

[MA2444]

Divorce is due to selfishness not who chose a spouse

I think I can agree with that. Are you divorced? Married? Young & single? What?

But when women have several failed relationships and always chose for themself...then how can they blame it on men? I can see blaming the man for the divorce for whatever. But whe she got divorced the 2nd time, it makes me go, Hmmm. 3 times? Who can have bad luck that many times. That woman cant choose a good man, always bad ones. So it aint the mans fault, it's her fault. Would you agree with that?

 

[Wynona]

How to be a great female minister as a wife

 

[Wrangler]

Since men aren't perfect then why should the father chose his daughter's husband for her? Shouldn't she have the right to make her own mistakes?

I ask you again, what criteria would a father use to choose a husband for his daughter?

Your basic problem remains a profound lack of humility.

Pearl made a vid that she got a lot of criticism by man-haters like you. She just laughed it off, confident in the essential facts, which are:

1. women today have more freedom to choose their mate than ever in human history.
2. Women initiate over 80% of divorce and mostly end lesser relationships with men.
3. Ergo, women are very, very bad at choosing a mate/keeping a commitment.

There is a logical fallacy that you are invoking called the nirvana fallacy. Men do not have to be perfect to be much, much better at picking a mate for their daughter than their daughter's are. A century or more ago when father's selected a husband for their daughter's, the divorce rate was very low.

As always with feminism, it is not about rights but responsibilities. See vid below about Camp Victim v Camp Take Responsibility

 

[Wynona]

Your basic problem remains a profound lack of humility.

Pearl made a vid that she got a lot of criticism by man-haters like you. She just laughed it off, confident in the essential facts, which are:

1. women today have more freedom to choose their mate than ever in human history.
2. Women initiate over 80% of divorce and mostly end lesser relationships with men.
3. Ergo, women are very, very bad at choosing a mate/keeping a commitment.

There is a logical fallacy that you are invoking called the nirvana fallacy. Men do not have to be perfect to be much, much better at picking a mate for their daughter than their daughter's are. A century or more ago when father's selected a husband for their daughter's, the divorce rate was very low.

As always with feminism, it is not about rights but responsibilities. See vid below about Camp Victim v Camp Take Responsibility

Oh wow. Camp Responsibility? For Wives??That's a camp that could use some enrollment.

If anyone wants to join camp Take Responsibility, be prepared to be thought of as extremely weird.

 

[Wynona]

I made an advice post for my facebook group with a lot of newer traditionally minded wives.

Chores were a huge source of contention for my husband and I as newlyweds. But it didn't need to be.

 

[Mink57]

Yeah that's something that divorced older women say.

Nope. This is coming from the single childless women themselves.

It must be those mens fault. Your point?

If those one "good" men decide to become 'bad boys', then yes it IS their fault. We're grown adults. We're each responsible for our own behavior.

It's a man secret. I know it. I could tell you what t is but then I'd have to...you know the rest, lol.

You'd have to...what? Make me a Dagwood sandwich?

What's unfair about it?

Would YOU have wanted this to be in reverse? Would you want to live under a system where only WOMEN were allowed to divorce?

Because women make worse decisions? How stupid was Eve?

How stupid was Adam? He could have said, 'NO!' to Eve AND to the snake. What did he do instead? Blames both Eve AND GOD.
Adam doesn't sound too bright to me...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think I can agree with that. Are you divorced? Married? Young & single? What?

Divorced and remarried. Current marriage at 20 years

But when women have several failed relationships and always chose for themself...then how can they blame it on men?

Oh I agree 109% same with men though

can see blaming the man for the divorce for whatever. But whe she got divorced the 2nd time, it makes me go, Hmmm. 3 times? Who can have bad luck that many times. That woman cant choose a good man, always bad ones. So it aint the mans fault, it's her fault. Would you agree with that?

Again it goes both ways

 

[Mink57]

Your basic problem remains a profound lack of humility.

What you're doing is called projection.

Pearl made a vid that she got a lot of criticism by man-haters like you. She just laughed it off, confident in the essential facts, which are:

1. women today have more freedom to choose their mate than ever in human history.
2. Women initiate over 80% of divorce and mostly end lesser relationships with men.
3. Ergo, women are very, very bad at choosing a mate/keeping a commitment.

Yes, women have more freedom to choose a mate. So what?
Yes, women initiate about 80% of divorces. Again, so WHAT?

Did it ever occur to you that women are divorcing men at a higher rate because of how many men have broken THEIR commitment? Sorry...but if you cheat on me, YOU BROKE YOUR COMMITMENT. The deal is off. One cannot always predict whether or not a spouse will cheat on them...or whether they're going to turn into some raging alcoholic/drug user...or become abusive...or mishandle money...

Yes, these days women DO divorce men at a high rate. But what does that tell you about the men they're divorcing? Do you think that all these women are divorcing "good" men?

There is a logical fallacy that you are invoking called the nirvana fallacy. Men do not have to be perfect to be much, much better at picking a mate for their daughter than their daughter's are. A century or more ago when father's selected a husband for their daughter's, the divorce rate was very low.

Again, the divorce rate was low because WOMEN WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DIVORCE THEIR HUSBANDS. Had nothing to do with the idea that the father chose a husband for his daughter.

And, what kind of criteria did the father use to determine if a man was good enough for the man of HIS choice? That the man made a decent living? Even Wynona said, that her own father would have looked at how much money the man made...and NOT whether he was a Godly man.

Seriously Wrangler, what do YOU even think a "Godly" man is? Or would you even CARE about that if choosing a husband for your own daughter?

As always with feminism, it is not about rights but responsibilities. See vid below about Camp Victim v Camp Take Responsibility

Jesus said, "Do unto others." If a man cannot understand that and LIVE by that rule, he's no 'man' in my eyes.

 

[Wrangler]

Again it goes both ways

But it does not EQUALLY go both ways with women initiating 80% of divorces.

 

[face2face]

Your basic problem remains a profound lack of humility.

Pearl made a vid that she got a lot of criticism by man-haters like you. She just laughed it off, confident in the essential facts, which are:

1. women today have more freedom to choose their mate than ever in human history.
2. Women initiate over 80% of divorce and mostly end lesser relationships with men.
3. Ergo, women are very, very bad at choosing a mate/keeping a commitment.

There is a logical fallacy that you are invoking called the nirvana fallacy. Men do not have to be perfect to be much, much better at picking a mate for their daughter than their daughter's are. A century or more ago when father's selected a husband for their daughter's, the divorce rate was very low.

As always with feminism, it is not about rights but responsibilities. See vid below about Camp Victim v Camp Take Responsibility

Shared this with my daughters!
Laughs prevailed...
But all seriously good points

 

[face2face]

@Mink57 @Eternally Grateful

Women / girls losing respect for men whether their peers, or elders, or fathers, or whoever hasn't done society any good.

I get the flip is true also...but I think the confusion of gender roles and responsibilities has ruined society to the point it cannot be corrected until the Lord returns.

The slippery slope is too step now.

F2F

 

[Mink57]

But it does not EQUALLY go both ways with women initiating 80% of divorces.

Oh knock it off. The POINT is that women have an EQUAL right to divorce men.

 

[face2face]

Oh knock it off. The POINT is that women have and EQUAL right to divorce men.

Here in Australia

39% of divorces were initiated by the wife. 28% of divorces were initiated by the husband. 34% of divorces was a joint agreement.

What does the Gospel teach us?

 

[Wynona]

My husband and I were ideal candidates for a modern egalitarian style marriage as newlyweds.

I was college and career-driven. I didn't see any other way to honor my parents or have a respectable lifestyle as a smart girl.

My husband was laid back and was better at cleaning. He loved being at home gaming and he took a weekend job as a security guard so I could use the car for an office job.

We were dual-income no kids and it was marital hell. We constantly stepped on each other's toes and distrusted one another. But my husband finally got fed up with me looking miserable after work and challenged me to quit my new computer sales job when I complained about it.

"I never wanted you to work! If it's that horrible...quit!"

My normal response at the time would have been to see this as controlling. But all I felt was relief. Like he wanted to step up and I finally had permission to do something I actually wanted instead of meeting some expectation of a respectable adult.

I quit the next day. I had just finished orientation. Our income immediately dropped to some abysmal level and then coasted at 25,000 a year as hubby drove the local cab. But somehow, I knew my husband was serious about figuring out the finances as man of the house. I let it go.

My housekeeping was awful.

We each seemed to have been prepared for the opposite role.

Yet, as I made those first awkward attempts at homemaking and watched hubby hit the cab full time with our car, I was actually happy. And the arguing and distrust simply trickled to nothing.

I could trust a man who would make life harder on himself without a real plan going forward just to see me happy. I saw him as a man at that point. It really was that simple.

Him challenging me to quit was his first bold success in leading us.

 

[Wynona]

 

[Wrangler]

Women / girls losing respect for men

One of the most widely accepted evil maxims from feminism is that a man has to earn a woman's respect. This puts women in the judgment seat over men, contrary to the Biblical principle that respect, like love, is unconditional.

see this as controlling.

Hmmm. I often asked my ex-wife and daughter when she was growing up in response to this accusation being made about me was what is the difference between being controlling from being in control? Men are in control per Genesis 3:16.

The accusation is meant as a manipulative tactic, to get the man to surrender control to prove he is not "controlling." My answer/question scared them both for I was not afraid or ashamed or felt guilty for being in control. They had no where to go in their argument. Their manipulative tactic failed every time. Sadly, they seemed to embrace reason second, defaulting to emotionally driven manipulation, primarily, time and time again. I understand both, why God put men in control and why women see it as controlling.

 

[MA2444]

Nope. This is coming from the single childless women themselves.

So they're teaching it to the young ones now...

If those one "good" men decide to become 'bad boys', then yes it IS their fault. We're grown adults. We're each responsible for our own behavior.

If we're each responsible for our own behavior then why wont women? They admit nothing, deny everything and take no accountability at all. Even women who are several times divorced who wont admit that they chose poorly have an accountabilitity to themselves and must admit that, they done wrong. You reap what you sow. Or maybe you're trying to tell me that the poor victim girl dont know how to say no?

I dont buy that. She liked it. You liked it. You must have because went back for more. One time can be an honest mistake. Seeveral times and there's an obvious problem, obvious to everyone but the poor little dumb girl who dont know how to say no.

You'd have to...what? Make me a Dagwood sandwich?

Cute, but no. They've only used that line in several movies so I know you've heard it before and are playing dumb, lol.

Would YOU have wanted this to be in reverse? Would you want to live under a system where only WOMEN were allowed to divorce?

Is this about the Choktaw Indians again? Can Chocktaw Indian girls make a good sandwich? Can they cook out of the dust of the ground like Polish girls can?!

I wouldnt marry a women who was allowed to divorce me. They already file for 80% of all divorces...

How stupid was Adam? He could have said, 'NO!' to Eve AND to the snake. What did he do instead? Blames both Eve AND GOD.
Adam doesn't sound too bright to me...

That dont surprise me, no clue. He loved Eve and didnt want her to have to be alone in guilt towards God. Because he loved her. Where would women be if Adam had abandoned Eve? Eve would have had a broken spirit, against God and man and who knows if redemption would even be possible unless they stood as one?

You gotta let go of that bitterness that you hold against men and admit to yourself that you made terrible mistakes...but have learned from it now?

If you cant keep a man in a relationship, how would you be able to keep a relationship with the Lord? You reap what you sow. So you made terrible choices, so what? We all did. You aint alone, so stop playing the lone victim.

You remember Pogo cartoon strip? You should.
"We have seen the Enemy and he is US"

 

[Wrangler]

You gotta let go of that bitterness that you hold against men and admit to yourself that you made terrible mistakes

humility comes before honor.
Proverbs 18:12

 

[MA2444]

Divorced and remarried. Current marriage at 20 years

That's commendable and respectable. Anyone can make an honest mistake. Apparently you learned from it and overcame that problem of discretion.

I remember making a vow to myself when I was about 15 or so. I was the youngest kid so I got to see a lot of what was going on with the older folks and it seems like a lot of times someone and their girlfriend broke up and then in a little while he shows back up with a worse girl. Not as pretty, crass, druggies, whatever. They stepped down and I seen that was always a mistake. So I vowed to everytime I broke up with a girl to not settle for less and the next one had to better girl overall. And I pretty much stuck to it over the years. I said no to a lot of women over the years. It felt oddly satisfying to be able to do that for me. I wound up realizing that, you dont lay down with a girl that you wouldnt be excited about marrying! So I didnt. So I had to say no quite often, I was a very handsome guy with a lot on the ball! The girl I married has had my only children and we was together 26 years in total. I havent remarried since she left because...she was a good one and I have found no better girl than her to replace her with. No need to break my vow to myself now, lol.

Oh I agree 109% same with men though
Again it goes both ways

It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders and have been able to learn from your mistakes in the past. That's good! Live and learn, is better than, live and grow bitter.

When my wife of 26 years divorced me i felt insanity knocking at the door. I had to make it a learning experience to stop me from going insane and lashing out in anger.
I thought, well she stayed for 26 years so I couldnt have been that bad...!
But! If I was all that, then she would have stayed so I made mistakes, and I began searching for them. I found them. It was definitely more my fault than hers.

That's the problem with feminism. It teaches those girls who make mistakes to grow bitter instead of to grow. Then that grows into a root of bitterness within their heart.