Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

I can see you believe Solomon had it right.
Can you see Jesus implementing this strategy?

Can you see Jesus violating the will of God? Or is the Bible right and the word of God only as long as it agrees with modern sensibilities and philosophies?

 

[quietthinker]

Can you see Jesus violating the will of God? Or is the Bible right and the word of God only as long as it agrees with modern sensibilities and philosophies?

Resorting to violence to 'solve' a problem....irrespective of how it's packaged, is the expression of the unvarnished carnal nature.

 

[Wrangler]

Resorting to violence to 'solve' a problem....irrespective of how it's packaged, is the expression of the unvarnished carnal nature.

Violence solves problems and that is the 1st thing Jesus will do when he returns.

 

[Mink57]

Violence solves problems and that is the 1st thing Jesus will do when he returns.

What a CROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus NEVER said that!!!!!

What Bible are you reading??????????????????????

 

[quietthinker]

Violence solves problems and that is the 1st thing Jesus will do when he returns.

I don't think so. Revelation 6:15-17 reveals that it is those who don't want to know Jesus and the assumed wrath that he has, who desire a violent end to their lives.

Death is the preferred choice of living with shame and guilt for those who refuse the gift of forgiveness. They recognise The Lamb.....and why would anyone be afraid of a lamb?

Let us not superimpose our desire for revenge, for punishment and for payback onto God. If and when we do this, it reveals we do not know the character of God nor understood the most quoted, 'for God SO loved the World that he gave his only Son......' John 3:16-17

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Do you want to obey the will of God or not? If you do, you must beat them with a rod to not hate them. Isn't that what Scripture says?

You’d have to define with “a rod” for me. How that becomes all sorts of things I don’t know. Someone that use to post on here a long time ago said the same challenging words concerning the passage on buying a sword. He swore up and down it meant if you don’t buy a gun (sword) then you don’t follow what Jesus commanded you to do. You forget the chastening of the Father (God)unto the Son. How do you know the verse you quote about a rod is not pertaining to God’s chastisement? In that case it is not what you make it to be (Imo).

Paul even asked would you rather I come unto you with a rod or in the spirit of meekness and love. Doubtfully Paul was coming to whip them with a rod.

For the record my mom was into switching your legs with a limb pulled off a bush. Our children had a few spankings. Our grandchildren have all had one and they remember it. All of them exchanging stories over that one good belt whooping and how they didn’t ever need another one. So I’m not saying or judging anyone for how they raise their children.

But I seriously doubt those verses used to say men or women using a rod on children to deliver them from death.. is pertaining to men or women delivering children from hell.

Since it is God’s discipline that delivers from death and torment. Plain and simple…no amount of using a rod on a child is going to deliver them from death. If that were the case then Jesus Christ didn’t need to go to the cross. All that was needed was a rod.

 

[Wrangler]

Many threads go off topic at times, however there Is a limit. Perhaps in order to keep this thread open it can get back on course x

I don't know what you are talking about. This thread has always been on course as proper, Biblical parenting is also a triumph over feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

You’d have to define with “a rod” for me.

Consult your favorite lexicon.

 

[Wrangler]

How do you know the verse you quote about a rod is not pertaining to God’s chastisement?

Your question reflects an over-spiritualization common in Christendom today. @quietthinker, contemptuously sees anything else as carnal thinking. Christendom has largely abandoned soulful considerations, the needs of the body.

Jesus did not sing kum-ba-ya and tell everyone to consider all their afflictions joy. He tended to the soulful needs of the people, healing them, feeding them, etc. He did not say to be passive and wait for God to act. He commanded us to act - to pray, to seek, to knock, to ask and to spread the word to every people, and even to sell your coat for a sword (not for decorative use). To answer your question, read the verse again.

Proverbs 23:13-14
13 Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
14 If you strike him with the rod,
you will save his soul from Sheol.

It is not referring to what God will do but what you (the parent) are required to do. The Bible is not a theoretical book on the merits of sitting back passively waiting to be acted on but a practical How To Live guide, meaning what action we are to take to live properly. Come on now!

 

[Wrangler]

no amount of using a rod on a child is going to deliver them from death.

No one ever said it would. More over-spiritualization. The VOICE renders Proverbs 23:14 as saving them from an early grave.

You cannot seriously take the verse to mean NOT to impose discipline on children on the grounds that as the parent, you lack the power to keep them eternally alive.

 

[quietthinker]

Your question reflects an over-spiritualization common in Christendom today. @quietthinker, contemptuously sees anything else as carnal thinking. Christendom has largely abandoned soulful considerations, the needs of the body.

Jesus did not sing kum-ba-ya and tell everyone to consider all their afflictions joy. He tended to the soulful needs of the people, healing them, feeding them, etc. He did not say to be passive and wait for God to act. He commanded us to act - to pray, to seek, to knock, to ask and to spread the word to every people, and even to sell your coat for a sword (not for decorative use). To answer your question, read the verse again.

Proverbs 23:13-14
13 Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
14 If you strike him with the rod,
you will save his soul from Sheol.

It is not referring to what God will do but what you (the parent) are required to do. The Bible is not a theoretical book on the merits of sitting back passively waiting to be acted on but a practical How To Live guide, meaning what action we are to take to live properly. Come on now!

We just don't seem to learn the lesson that violence begets violence. This is not the method of the Kingdom of God. He woos us with unprecedented kindness and it misinterpreted as either weakness or threat by most.

Jesus was murdered because God's methods didn't suit men. Men insist on force, on violating another's choices. They manipulate and if they don't get what they want they beat up on the other and have the audacity to insist that God behaves the same way.

 

[face2face]

We just don't seem to learn the lesson that violence begets violence. This is not the method of the Kingdom of God. He woos us with unprecedented kindness and it misinterpreted as either weakness or threat by most.

Jesus was murdered because God's methods didn't suit men. Men insist on force, on violating another's choices. They manipulate and if they don't get what they want they beat up on the other and have the audacity to insist that God behaves the same way.

How do you interpret this?

For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. Hebrews 12:11

God's chosen method of teaching discipline and obedience is through suffering. This can come in so many forms, some of which, to the untrained eye might seem unjust, but who knows the mind of God?

Do you?

F2F

 

[Rita]

I don't know what you are talking about. This thread has always been on course as proper, Biblical parenting is also a triumph over feminism.

A question was asked about going off topic - a debate about ‘ sparing the rod ‘ , which you introduced in response to a man throwing skittles on the floor - which was about respect. You turned it over to ‘ if children did that ‘ and led it down the path to a discussion about discipline , which is now taking it further.
I had been alerted to the thread and was responding.

 

[quietthinker]

How do you interpret this?

For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. Hebrews 12:11

God's chosen method of teaching discipline and obedience is through suffering. This can come in so many forms, some of which, to the untrained eye might seem unjust, but who knows the mind of God?

Do you?

F2F

Why interpret discipline as violence?

 

[Rita]

@Wynona Are you happy for the thread to continue on the subject that is now being discussed.

 

[GodsGrace]

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Why interpret discipline as violence?

In Matthew 5 Jesus states that we should pluck out an eye under certain circumstances.
Wonder if @Wrangler also takes that literally?

 

[Wrangler]

We just don't seem to learn the lesson that violence begets violence.

That is false, proven by the fact that wars are won. It's so odd how believers here poo poo God's word, believing their own ways of thinking on the matter are superior to Gods.

 

[Wrangler]

Exposing the anti-Biblical principle of "equality" inherent in feminism from today's devotional reading:

Exodus 21:15
15 “Whoever strikes father or mother shall be put to death.

So, while parents are commanded to strike the child (with a rod) to show you don't hate the child, for the child to do it constitutes the death penalty.

Exodus 22:16
Social and Religious Laws
16 “When a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged to be married and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife.

She does not have to pay. Once again, showing for 4,000 years women were the protected class, receiving benefits the man did not.

 

[face2face]

Why interpret discipline as violence?

Because sometimes it's in the violence we learn discipline. Can you think of an example?

 

[Wynona]

@Wynona Are you happy for the thread to continue on the subject that is now being discussed.

I see the child discipline issue as off topic and not likely to produce any discussion that adds anything worthwhile.