Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[quietthinker]

Sure a child should be beaten. Never read the Bible? "Spare the rod, spoil the child" is a command to beat the child with a rod to save his soul. In fact, Proverbs 13:24 says if you do NOT beat the child with a rod, it means you HATE the child.

Hmmmmm; if it is objectionable to strike an adult, it must be doubly objectionable to strike a child!
This needs chewing on......and further, ones understanding of the text you've quoted.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It is the focus which has self as its primary concern and objective that undoes the noblest of intentions.

If that is not a well known quote, it should become one. It’s scary true.

 

[Wynona]

Our household is patriarchal but is it oppressive?

Yeserday, my husband's day began at about 6:30am since Monday's have him go in early. He got the lunch I made and kissed me goodbye and went to his truck delivery work where he got a flat tire, difficult truck backing assignments, and multiple deliveries around the city with paperwork to process.

He was given an "early day" by his supervisor. The first one since he started working there. So his work day ran from 7:30am to 5pm instead of 7, 8, or 9pm. We were grateful.

Meanwhile, my false contractions were actinv up so I cleared my chore list and gave myself the "day off", meaning just taking care of myself and baby girl instead of adding the household.

While homemaking is not easy, it is very forgiving in its pace and the stakes are low. What didn't get done in terms of cleaning yesterday I can do today.

While my "oppressive" patriarchal husband was laboring to deliver pallets and drop and hook trailers, I was sitting outside watching baby girl play with the texture of the grass and leaves in the yard and make different sounds by clapping and cooing.

I spent time yesterday talking to my husband on a long phone call as he had time in between deliveries and as I changed a daiper and fed baby girl in her playpen. Bluetooth ear set patriarchal "oppressive" husband gave me gets a lot of use.

When husband got off his "early" day, he summoned strength to play with baby girl because we had researched that the masculine rough-and-tumble style play is both bonding and important for baby girl's development, confidence, and future independence.

I had played too. But my playing is not the same as his.

After this, he ate the sphagetti I made us, settled on the couch for a video game, and watched baby girl when my contractions flared up and I went to lay down and listen to an audiobook.

Baby girl is over a year old. She figured out how to undaiper and made a slight mess on the mattress in her play pen.

"Pick one. Do you want to give her a bath or clean the mattress?" Ah. The cruel horrors of male leadership.

I chose the mattress, configured a diy cleaning solution and cleaned the mess while hubby bathed baby girl, changed her, and put her in pajamas I handed in. We kissed her scrape from outside earlier, conferred with hubby's mother with baby pics, and talked to each other about our lives together till we fell asleep at about 10 pm.

For all the oppressive benefits men are supposed to have, I as the wife have the easier role and life. He insists on it being this way because he says me being relaxed and happy when he is home is the very thing that more than justifies me not working outside the home.

Biblical patriarchy is actually not oppression at all. It's sacrifice for a good purpose. The good purpose in this case is me having a forgivingly paced lifestyle as I raise baby girl and carry baby boy in the womb.

I don't mind serving meals, cleaning, minding babies, being intimate, being respectful, and following directions. I've learned to take pride and joy in these things because my husband is risking his life to provide me this lifestyle.

He did not complain about covering our roomate's portion of the rent temporarily or the fact that I miscalculated the groceries. leaving him with 28 dollars to get through till the next paycheck. He hardly ever complains anymore. And because I in some ways I actually deserve to be alone, childless, and separated from God's presence, I hardly complain anymore either.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sure a child should be beaten. Never read the Bible? "Spare the rod, spoil the child" is a command to beat the child with a rod to save his soul. In fact, Proverbs 13:24 says if you do NOT beat the child with a rod, it means you HATE the child.

Western Civilization has become so soft, it is ripe for destruction. Americans cannot even figure out that it is not a good idea to let your country be invaded for decades.

Why stop at Proverbs 13:24??

Maybe spare the rod, spoil the child is not tough enough for you?

Maybe we should go directly to

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,
19his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.
20They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.”
21Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

Is this more to your liking?

Wrangler, I have a difficult time posting to a member that believes a CHILD SHOULD BE BEATEN.

I believe ANYONE WHO BEATS AN ADULT, A CHILD OR AN ANIMAL IS SICK and requires help.

 

[GodsGrace]

Our household is patriarchal but is it oppressive?

Yeserday, my husband's day began at about 6:30am since Monday's have him go in early. He got the lunch I made and kissed me goodbye and went to his truck delivery work where he got a flat tire, difficult truck backing assignments, and multiple deliveries around the city with paperwork to process.

He was given an "early day" by his supervisor. The first one since he started working there. So his work day ran from 7:30am to 5pm instead of 7, 8, or 9pm. We were grateful.

Meanwhile, my false contractions were actinv up so I cleared my chore list and gave myself the "day off", meaning just taking care of myself and baby girl instead of adding the household.

While homemaking is not easy, it is very forgiving in its pace and the stakes are low. What didn't get done in terms of cleaning yesterday I can do today.

While my "oppressive" patriarchal husband was laboring to deliver pallets and drop and hook trailers, I was sitting outside watching baby girl play with the texture of the grass and leaves in the yard and make different sounds by clapping and cooing.

I spent time yesterday talking to my husband on a long phone call as he had time in between deliveries and as I changed a daiper and fed baby girl in her playpen. Bluetooth ear set patriarchal "oppressive" husband gave me gets a lot of use.

When husband got off his "early" day, he summoned strength to play with baby girl because we had researched that the masculine rough-and-tumble style play is both bonding and important for baby girl's development, confidence, and future independence.

I had played too. But my playing is not the same as his.

After this, he ate the sphagetti I made us, settled on the couch for a video game, and watched baby girl when my contractions flared up and I went to lay down and listen to an audiobook.

Baby girl is over a year old. She figured out how to undaiper and made a slight mess on the mattress in her play pen.

"Pick one. Do you want to give her a bath or clean the mattress?" Ah. The cruel horrors of male leadership.

I chose the mattress, configured a diy cleaning solution and cleaned the mess while hubby bathed baby girl, changed her, and put her in pajamas I handed in. We kissed her scrape from outside earlier, conferred with hubby's mother with baby pics, and talked to each other about our lives together till we fell asleep at about 10 pm.

For all the oppressive benefits men are supposed to have, I as the wife have the easier role and life. He insists on it being this way because he says me being relaxed and happy when he is home is the very thing that more than justifies me not working outside the home.

Biblical patriarchy is actually not oppression at all. It's sacrifice for a good purpose. The good purpose in this case is me having a forgivingly paced lifestyle as I raise baby girl and carry baby boy in the womb.

I don't mind serving meals, cleaning, minding babies, being intimate, being respectful, and following directions. I've learned to take pride and joy in these things because my husband is risking his life to provide me this lifestyle.

He did not complain about covering our roomate's portion of the rent temporarily or the fact that I miscalculated the groceries. leaving him with 28 dollars to get through till the next paycheck. He hardly ever complains anymore. And because I in some ways I actually deserve to be alone, childless, and separated from God's presence, I hardly complain anymore either.

Wow. What a great post!
You shoulda beena writa!!

 

[Wynona]

Wow. What a great post!
You shoulda beena writa!!

Thank you. I love writing. And I hope I keep improving at it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Thank you. I love writing. And I hope I keep improving at it.

Well, it must be working because I DID notice it!

 

[Wrangler]

Feminists encouraging feminists to make mistakes. Sad.

 

[Wrangler]

Why stop at Proverbs 13:24??

Maybe spare the rod, spoil the child is not tough enough for you?

Maybe we should go directly to

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him,
19his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town.
20They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.”
21Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

Is this more to your liking?

Wrangler, I have a difficult time posting to a member that believes a CHILD SHOULD BE BEATEN.

I believe ANYONE WHO BEATS AN ADULT, A CHILD OR AN ANIMAL IS SICK and requires help.

That's too bad and symptomatic of the decline of the feminized West. You know it's Biblical and still think it is sick! I wonder what it would take for you to recognize the sickness within yourself?

I'm OK with Deuteronomy 21:18-21 because it is better the parents do the responsible thing than push off their responsibility onto society. It shouldn't be that hard to obey the 5th Commandment. But if it is, the Creator of the Universe does not shy away from commanding the taking the life away from the brat that the parents gave life to if it comes to it. Before that, is parental requirement to beat them with a rod at the command of almighty God.

Proverbs 23:13-14
13 Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
14 If you strike him with the rod,
you will save his soul from Sheol.

Our feminized society is appalled at God's masculine command. Notice there is no equivocation there? No qualifiers or conditions, like trying time out first or counseling? Profound. Do it!

How many kids do you have? I have 7 and 18 grandchildren. My first wife once demanded I use only the minimum force and even then, not in anger. I said BS to both of these nonsensical feminized notions of discipline! It is the child who must learn she takes the risk of my wrath, first and foremost. Her concern for choosing bad behavior must be knowing it will anger me and there will be consequences, both immediate and painful, that she will think better to avoid. Fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom and I am the lord in my house - no question. There can be no question. Did I ever beat my children with a rod? No. There was no need because I taught them and they believed I would if needs be. Amen.

There is no substitute in a child's life for their moral character development than daily doses of loving discipline from their devoted father.

Sadly, with feminism, 'child protective services' and 'domestic violence' prohibitions are all the rage in direct contradiction to Biblical commands. Commands, I tell you! Consequences? Some years ago there was a rash of teenage and younger suicide in my area. My area led the nation in youth destroying themselves. The single biggest common denominator was the absence of father's. My female pastor at the time gave a very sentimental sermon trying to guilt men to "step up," even men like me who were not their fathers.

I sent her a scathing email asking why no one is asking why men have stepped down? Until this reason is addressed, until all the risk of a man acting like a man and loving father by instilling discipline as God commands is put right, enjoy continuing to bury your suicided children. There it is. Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.

 

[Wrangler]

Hmmmmm; if it is objectionable to strike an adult, it must be doubly objectionable to strike a child!

You are confused, as usual. You are confusing assaulting an adult from disciplining your own child.

Where in the Bible is this doubling of objectable since we are all equal in Christ?

 

[Wrangler]

It is the focus which has self as its primary concern and objective that undoes the noblest of intentions.

My dear sir, if the self is the primary concern, then one lacks the noblest of intentions.

This is plain for all to see. Wrapped in victimology of Cultural Marxism, yes. But still, there for all to see.

 

[Wrangler]

It's not so hidden agenda through all the waves is the empowerment of the state---government over family. Specifically a socialist state.

"I don't need a man" because the State acts as an agent for the man in her life. This explains why men are net tax payers and women are net tax beneficiaries. Not so much equality there.

Once again showing that feminists want equality, except for when they don't.

Promiscuous women, wild children with no coping skills, sense of responsibility or discipline who grow into adult bodies while retaining childish thinking and totally emasculated men; The fruit of feminism. This will not end well but rest assured, the end is near.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's too bad and symptomatic of the decline of the feminized West. You know it's Biblical and still think it is sick! I wonder what it would take for you to recognize the sickness within yourself?

I'm OK with Deuteronomy 21:18-21 because it is better the parents do the responsible thing than push off their responsibility onto society. It shouldn't be that hard to obey the 5th Commandment. But if it is, the Creator of the Universe does not shy away from commanding the taking the life away from the brat that the parents gave life to if it comes to it. Before that, is parental requirement to beat them with a rod at the command of almighty God.

Proverbs 23:13-14
13 Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you strike him with a rod, he will not die.
14 If you strike him with the rod,
you will save his soul from Sheol.

Our feminized society is appalled at God's masculine command. Notice there is no equivocation there? No qualifiers or conditions, like trying time out first or counseling? Profound. Do it!

How many kids do you have? I have 7 and 18 grandchildren. My first wife once demanded I use only the minimum force and even then, not in anger. I said BS to both of these nonsensical feminized notions of discipline! It is the child who must learn she takes the risk of my wrath, first and foremost. Her concern for choosing bad behavior must be knowing it will anger me and there will be consequences, both immediate and painful, that she will think better to avoid. Fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom and I am the lord in my house - no question. There can be no question. Did I ever beat my children with a rod? No. There was no need because I taught them and they believed I would if needs be. Amen.

There is no substitute in a child's life for their moral character development than daily doses of loving discipline from their devoted father.

Sadly, with feminism, 'child protective services' and 'domestic violence' prohibitions are all the rage in direct contradiction to Biblical commands. Commands, I tell you! Consequences? Some years ago there was a rash of teenage and younger suicide in my area. My area led the nation in youth destroying themselves. The single biggest common denominator was the absence of father's. My female pastor at the time gave a very sentimental sermon trying to guilt men to "step up," even men like me who were not their fathers.

I sent her a scathing email asking why no one is asking why men have stepped down? Until this reason is addressed, until all the risk of a man acting like a man and loving father by instilling discipline as God commands is put right, enjoy continuing to bury your suicided children. There it is. Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.

I haven't finished reading the above and will not do so.

A society that BEATS ITS CHILDREN is not a MORAL SOCIETY.....

End of this conversation.

 

[Wrangler]

I haven't finished reading the above and will not do so.

A society that BEATS ITS CHILDREN is not a MORAL SOCIETY.....

End of this conversation.

Your IDOL, revealed.

 

[GodsGrace]

"I don't need a man" because the State acts as an agent for the man in her life. This explains why men are net tax payers and women are net tax beneficiaries. Not so much equality there.

Once again showing that feminists want equality, except for when they don't.

Promiscuous women, wild children with no coping skills, sense of responsibility or discipline who grow into adult bodies while retaining childish thinking and totally emasculated men; The fruit of feminism. This will not end well but rest assured, the end is near.

This just popped up. It was to another member.

Gee Wrangler ... I thought you were a philosopher and all....

Don't you know the difference between EQUALITY and EQUITY?

ALL MEN ARE ENTITLED TO EQUALITY.

Maybe you should find out the difference if you care to keep the fake PhD after your name.

Will no longer respond to your nonsense in any thread.

 

[Wrangler]

Don't you know the difference between EQUALITY and EQUITY?

Yes, I most certainly do know the difference AND I know how Cultural Marxists seek to corrupt their meaning to advance their nefarious ends.

ALL MEN ARE ENTITLED TO EQUALITY.

Only one fully indoctrinated into the nonsense of communism could say such a thing!

In the American tradition, all men are created equal (for political contexts). Communism seeks to confuse equal rights that are God given with State provided equality of benefits.

 

[Wrangler]

A society that BEATS ITS CHILDREN is not a MORAL SOCIETY.....

Friend, we are not talking about society. We are talking about ones moral obligation to their own children.

You have faux courage to stand up against a husband and father, which is socially acceptable through feminism's relentless attacks on masculinity, even though he has God given authority over his wife and children. But you lack real courage to stand up to the evil within children, or even acknowledge evil is in children, as it is not socially acceptable.

You've embraced the evil tenets of Cultural Marxism, holding evil children as oppressed and their loving father as the oppressor.

 

[Mink57]

Friend, we are not talking about society. We are talking about ones moral obligation to their own children.

You have faux courage to stand up against a husband and father, which is socially acceptable through feminism's relentless attacks on masculinity, even though he has God given authority over his wife and children. But you lack real courage to stand up to the evil within children, or even acknowledge evil is in children, as it is not socially acceptable.

You've embraced the evil tenets of Cultural Marxism, holding evil children as oppressed and their loving father as the oppressor.

Any father who would use violence against a child is not "loving." Jesus was AGAINST violence. YOU should be, too.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, I most certainly do know the difference AND I know how Cultural Marxists seek to corrupt their meaning to advance their nefarious ends.


Only one fully indoctrinated into the nonsense of communism could say such a thing!

In the American tradition, all men are created equal (for political contexts). Communism seeks to confuse equal rights that are God given with State provided equality of benefits.

Well my dear sir....

do you not believe that Jews have the same EQUAL rights as Christians?
Or that Chinese have the same EQUAL rights as Chilians?

BUT

Do you believe we should all be governed by the system of equity?


You really have NOT explained yourself properly....
shouldn't benefits ALSO BE EQUAL?

You don't explain yourself well,
and I'm not interested in THIS conversation.....

 

[GodsGrace]

Friend, we are not talking about society. We are talking about ones moral obligation to their own children.

You have faux courage to stand up against a husband and father, which is socially acceptable through feminism's relentless attacks on masculinity, even though he has God given authority over his wife and children. But you lack real courage to stand up to the evil within children, or even acknowledge evil is in children, as it is not socially acceptable.

You've embraced the evil tenets of Cultural Marxism, holding evil children as oppressed and their loving father as the oppressor.

You don't know me Wrangler.

You shouldn't put words into person's mouths.
Not a good way to converse.

A father THAT BEATS HIS CHILDREN is NOT a LOVING FATHER.

And THOSE words came out of YOUR MOUTH.


Maybe we could bring POWER into this horrid discussion.

WHY is it wrong for my BOSS to make a pass at me to induce me into a relationship?