Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

The Holy Spirit has prompted me to leave this exchange. To summarize: Feminism appeals to a woman's vanity and coveting sinful nature, damaging women emotionally. It is a sexist, evil ideology, worse than both communism and fascism combined for it resulted in more deaths than the other 2 great evil ideologies of the 20th century besides causing many other societal problems, including high (no fault) divorce rates, rejecting a merit based and successful system, i.e, Patriarchy. With mantra's like, "you can have it all," denying the divine value of sacrifice, and hatefully, "you don't need a man" (except insolently, when they do).

Ideology over evidence. One example is in ancient times, women's testimony was proven so unreliable, they could not testify in court. Yet, in the supposed fight for equality, emerges a blatantly sexist "Believe Her" movement. Theory over successful practice. Many vids have been presented of feminists hiring feminists resulting in incompetent work products. Another example is how it leaves its practitioners less happy than those who reject it as shown by half a century of data and the posters in this thread.

Like other evil Cultural Marxist ideas, it is inherently contradictory, purporting to fight evil (supposed oppressive sexism) with evil (oppressive sexism), only advancing the supposed disadvantages of a preferred sex, who has actually been the sex society catered to as demonstrated by the fact that they did not die by the millions on battlefields over the centuries but were put first on life boats. It seeks to shield itself from criticism by pretending a critique against the evil idea is hatred toward people, women.

In this thread, we have seen its chief advocate consistently abhor any accountability or responsibility, including hilariously yet insolently refusing to answer basic questions, like:

1. What is the difference between feminism, which is supposedly good, with RADICAL feminism, which is admittedly bad?
2. God is a God of order. Feminism is chaos and against God's order. Who decides when there is a disagreement in feminist marriage?
3. Would a man be put off if women kept making sexual advances toward him?
4. You refuse to be agreeable but be argumentative on principle. What kind of principle is that?

A final contradiction @MA2444, @Wynona, is @Mink57 cannot triumph over feminism, which this thread is about, by advocating for it at every turn. I have prayed for @Mink57 and will continue to do so. Doing laps on ground already covered repeatedly is not edifying. So, I will bow out of this thread for the most part.

 

[Wynona]

To summarize: Feminism appeals to a woman's vanity and coveting sinful nature. It is a sexist, evil ideology, worse than both communism and fascism combined for it resulted in more deaths than the other 2 great evil ideologies of the 20th century besides causing many other societal problems, including high (no fault) divorce rates, rejecting a merit based and successful system, i.e, Patriarchy. With mantra's like, "you can have it all," denying the divine value of sacrifice, and hatefully, "you don't need a man" (except insolently, when they do).

Ideology over evidence. One example is in ancient times, women's testimony was proven so unreliable, they could not testify in court. Yet, in the supposed fight for equality, emerges a blatantly sexist "Believe Her" movement. Theory over successful practice. Many vids have been presented of feminists hiring feminists resulting in incompetent work products. Another example is how it leaves its practitioners less happy than those who reject it as shown by half a century of data and the posters in this thread.

Like other evil Cultural Marxist ideas, it is inherently contradictory, purporting to fight evil (supposed oppressive sexism) with evil (oppressive sexism), only advancing the supposed disadvantages of a preferred sex, who has actually been the sex society catered to as demonstrated by the fact that they did not die by the millions on battlefields over the centuries but were put first on life boats. It seeks to shield itself from criticism by pretending a critique against the evil idea is hatred toward people, women.

In this thread, we have seen its chief advocate consistently abhor any accountability or responsibility, including hilariously yet insolently refusing to answer basic questions, like:

1. What is the difference between feminism, which is supposedly good, with RADICAL feminism, which is admittedly bad?
2. God is a God of order. Feminism is chaos and against God's order. Who decides when there is a disagreement in feminist marriage?
3. You refuse to be agreeable but be argumentative on principle. What kind of principle is that?

A final contradiction @MA2444, @Wynona, is @Mink57 cannot triumph over feminism, which this thread is about, by advocating for it at every point. I have prayed for @Mink57 and will continue to do so. Doing laps on ground already covered repeatedly is not edifying. So, I will bow out of this thread for the most part.

The accountability for men feminists crave is actually in biblical patriarchy. Why should men respect women's wishes and consider them all when they can simply overpower us? We get this concept from Christian principle.

Because men tend to be stronger, I do not want to live in a world where they no longer feel any obligation to sacrifice, protect, or show restraint for our sake.

The answer for bad men is to support good men that can forcefully keep them in check, not attack masculinity at every turn.

Real oppression happens when men simply take what they want because they physically can without having to acknowledge any sense of duty towards anyone weaker than them. Many many cultures treat women as sex objects, breeders, or property who's honor is only related to the man they are with, not inherent.

Biblical patriarchy holds men to a Godly standard and acknowledges women and wives especially as companions and helpmeets to be cherished, honored, and protected.. co-heirs of the heavenly inheritance.

 

[Mink57]

The accountability for men feminists crave is actually in biblical patriarchy. Why should men respect women's wishes and consider them all when they can simply overpower us? We get this concept from Christian principle.

Which is what they HAVE done before.

Because men tend to be stronger, I do not want to live in a world where they no longer feel any obligation to sacrifice, protect, or show restraint for our sake.

Neither do I.

The answer for bad men is to support good men that can forcefully keep them in check, not attack masculinity at every turn.

The way of the Iroquois does this very thing. While under Matrilinear rule, if a 'bad man' stepped out of line, either with another man or especially with a woman, that man was dealt with swiftly and severely, even to the point of being booted out of the tribe.

Masculinity in of itself isn't being attacked. TOXIC masculinity is the issue. Toxic Masculinity is defined as: Socially destructive aspects of hegemonic masculinity such as misogyny, homophobia, bullying and violent domination. These traits are considered "toxic due to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence.

Other traditionally masculine traits such as devotion to work, pride in excelling at sports, courageousness, and providing for one's family, are not considered to be "toxic.

Real oppression happens when men simply take what they want because they physically can without having to acknowledge any sense of duty towards anyone weaker than them. Many many cultures treat women as sex objects, breeders, or property who's honor is only related to the man they are with, not inherent.

True!

Biblical patriarchy holds men to a Godly standard and acknowledges women and wives especially as companions and helpmeets to be cherished, honored, and protected.. co-heirs of the heavenly inheritance.

Curious as to what you think Biblical patriarchy is.

 

[Wrangler]

The accountability for men feminists crave is actually in biblical patriarchy.

Remarkable statement implying feminists crave for themselves only benefits. For others, they apparently crave responsibility. This is a double standard. THE EXACT OPPOSITE of equality. Ironic.

Imagine if a man said that he wanted to play pro football and make millions of dollars every year but didn't want to work out all the time, overcome injuries and the fact that there are 10,'s of 1,000's of people better than they are. Few would give such a man sympathy for being a victim for not getting what he craves. A common saying is to be the person (responsible) the person you want (responsible) would want.

 

[MA2444]

Remarkable statement implying feminists crave for themselves only benefits. For others, they apparently crave responsibility. This is a double standard. THE EXACT OPPOSITE of equality. Ironic.

Imagine if a man said that he wanted to play pro football and make millions of dollars every year but didn't want to work out all the time, overcome injuries and the fact that there are 10,'s of 1,000's of people better than they are. Few would give such a man sympathy for being a victim for not getting what he craves. A common saying is to be the person (responsible) the person you want (responsible) would want.

I agree with you. If they want a traditional man for a husband then they have to be a traditional wife.

Not a wife full of excuses and bad behavior.

 

[Wynona]

Not a wife full of excuses and bad behavior.

I see this as a huge problem for women today. We are coddled in our mess way too much. We are not striving for equal amounts of self-discipline and drive with men, that I've seen. Rather, we want an easier path but still want the benefits and honor of the harder one.

II can find dozens of people to justify me being lazy, not being attentive to my daughter, getting up super late, never prioritizing my husband, etc.

But if I want someone who will challenge me to excellence and reaching my full potential as a wife, mother, and steward of my health, where is that person?? Where is the wise older woman who will challenge me to be content in all circumstances through Christ and not live by my emotions?

They are out there but it took intentional searching.

 

[MA2444]

But if I want someone who will challenge me to excellence and reaching my full potential as a wife, mother, and steward of my health, where is that person?? Where is the wise older woman who will challenge me to be content in all circumstances through Christ and not live by my emotions?

They are out there but it took intentional searching.

That's the attitude that will get a man like that! Well said...

I met one woman since I've been here I met her at her church and was there to fix something, so we traded testimonies and the next thing I knew she was showing up at my house every day...? I was never anything except professional to her but I guess she liked me, lol. I had coordinated a clothing pick up at my house to donate and that's how she got my addy!

She started "falling asleep here and spending the night. Then she started asking me to do favors for her and I did a couple and then noticed she was still here. SHe'd go to work and come home to my house and when I looked into the LR which is behind closed doors and seen that, she had moved more of her stuff in!

So I talked to her about it and said hey if you want to be with me then we have to be married or be in disobedience to God. She didnt want to get married. We're just friends. Hmmm.

Can you help me fix my car? WOuld you help me rewire my house where the tenants stole a lot of copper wiring? And I said huh? I hate working on cars. and it was sheer hell to go into her house and try to figure out what wiring was missing from what? And she wouldnt shut up and let me do my job. I think she expected me to be magic or something?! Kept trying to tell me how to do my job. I got out of that house and she wanted to know if I had took a material list of how much wiring to buy to repair her house, and when can you do it??? I said lady you need a husband. She said no I dont.
I said yes you do and I dont do this sort of thing for friends for free. The stuff she had been asking for was husband type of general help. And she dont want to get married?

She's asking the wrong guy. I didnt mean to hurt her feelings but I cant let women walk on me. I said thats the kind of stuff husbands do, we're just friends, right? You need a man in your life. And she got mad and said will you still fix my car? I said go ask your husband to help you. I think it was because I had met her at church that I didnt see the handwriting on the wall sooner. I kept giving her the benefit of the doubt. And what do normal women do when they've been said no to? They go home...

But she didnt. And so I asked myself, why is she here? She's not seeking a man for permanent or even to date! So we're just friends and friends go home sometimes! Lol. It took me almost two months to get her out! She sure liked me paying for things and the only thing she really did was to cook sometimes...SO I said, that's cool, I'll be your friend but you have to go home. Otherwise we'll have to move you into a bedroom so I can have my LR back and figure out how much rent you should be chipping in...SHe was gone within a week from then, lol. She wanted a key to my house and asked for it repeatedly, and I always stuck to my guns, sorry only family gets keys, or tenants, lol. But I knew she wouldnt go for that lol.

She was a weirdo and a user. I havent called her since, not once, or texted. I dodged a bullet!

 

[Wynona]

She was a weirdo and a user. I havent called her since, not once, or texted. I dodged a bullet!

unfortunately when I was younger a lot of my female friends were like this. I had to distance myself. I believe now that you become the people you hang around. I wasn't bringing them up a level, I was just losing my saltiness.

And absolutely you find these people in church.

 

[Wrangler]

 

[MA2444]

You guys like the Rifleman? Here's Lucas McCain giving mark a crash course in feminism, lol!

I guess Lucas is a bad boy!

 

[Wrangler]

I agree with you. If they want a traditional man for a husband then they have to be a traditional wife.

Not a wife full of excuses and bad behavior.

I saw a funny vid early. Pearl was talking to a bunch of only fan "models." She asked they if they could stop responding with, "Yea but the men ..." It reminded me of someone. LOL

Pearl quoted a bunch of stats and asked these damaged women how promiscuity has improved things for women compared to a century ago. S-I-L-E-N-C-E.

They wanted to justify their behavior based on the principle of freedom. In the Spring I watched a vid of a college graduation ceremony. The orator spelled out 10 compelling myths. At one point he controversially said freedom is a great means but a terrible end. Pearls video today was a case study in that truth.

 

[Wrangler]

The guy explains that a high value man does not care how you look if you are a B_tch. Women who don't work through their issues find themselves hitting the wall, wondering where all the good men are, not realizing the good men are the one's who refused to tolerate her attitude and choice not to work through her issues and instead, go from guy to guy.

 

[Wrangler]

This vid is priceless! At the 8 minute mark a man interviews a random feminist, asking about the dating scene. She says men have to get it together. Get what together, he asks? Everything.

What do women have to get together? She answers, "nothing." Responsibility. Self-awareness. Sense of entitlement. Perpetual unhappiness.

 

[Wynona]

Curious as to what you think Biblical patriarchy is.

To keep it short, biblical patriarchy is a set of principles and lifestyles that acknowledge the headship of Christ over men and men over women (1 Corinthians 11:13), and the gender distinct callings of men and women and especially husbands and wives in marriage.

The husband is to lead, protect, provide for, honor, and sacrifice his very life for his wife and children (Ephesians 5). The wife is to obey, reverence, love, and keep the home for her husband and love her children (Titus 2:3-5).

Both parents teach and raise the children in the fear and admonition of the Lord.

 

[Wynona]

I support biblical patriarchy. My value as a woman is not in proving that I can do what men do, how hard I can compete in the workforce, combat, or preaching...

It is in doing the things they cannot do. Being an attractive companion, assisting my man in the calling God gave him, carrying a baby and nursing him or her, nurturing their emotional development instinctively, maintaining a comfortable home when all my husband's energy has gpne into working, teaching and mentoring younger women as Titus 2:3-5 commands.

Biblical patriarchy makes women and children a protected class and checks bad men who would take advantage of their lesser strength by putting strong good men in positions of power to put the bad men in their place. This is God's design and order for mankind since the curse in the garden.

It's entirely possible that Adam and Eve's marriage was less structured before the curse but that does not mean much, given that we are living under the effects of the curse now. The Bible uses humbling language towards women on purpose. We are not to be the gatekeepers of doctrine because Eve was decieved in the transgression (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

Essentially, she was demoted in rank and women are to participate in the plan of redemption by humbling themselves and acknowledging their own husbands as the head and authority, giving birth to children, leading eventually to Mary submitting to God's will and bearing the Lord Jesus, her natural son and Redeemer.

 

[Wynona]

I am not against women making money or doing what's needed to survive. But I am against this culture that devalues the role and blessing of women being in their homes.

The shallow, negative depiction of home being boring, restrictive, and unfulfilling by many leading feminists and their supporters often doesn't even give homemaking as a viable option for young women today.

Not once did anyone look at my good grades as a student and say being a good wife, mother, and homemaker would be a path I might want to consider.

It was a given that I would take on student debt and spend some of my most fertile years on someone's college campus. No one asked me if this is what I truly wanted. It was expected that I would.

 

[amigo de christo]

I see this as a huge problem for women today. We are coddled in our mess way too much. We are not striving for equal amounts of self-discipline and drive with men, that I've seen. Rather, we want an easier path but still want the benefits and honor of the harder one.

II can find dozens of people to justify me being lazy, not being attentive to my daughter, getting up super late, never prioritizing my husband, etc.

But if I want someone who will challenge me to excellence and reaching my full potential as a wife, mother, and steward of my health, where is that person?? Where is the wise older woman who will challenge me to be content in all circumstances through Christ and not live by my emotions?

They are out there but it took intentional searching.

sister , todays mindset within churches and society is
just pander to the person , never criticize , just make them feel good and right .
But believe me this works to their own destruction too . we should have stuck to the biblical pattern that GOD set in all things .
As i am sure you do agree sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

to correct wrong thoughts and bad behavoirs has become taboo in the church as well as society .
And it has led to them correcting ONLY ONE THING , THOSE WHO DO TRY and correct the error and bad decisions .
And guess what has society gotten better by doing this , NO SIRS and NO MAMS , its getting worse all the time .
WE should stick to what GOD says and not follow the ever changing ways of man .

 

[Wynona]

sister , todays mindset within churches and society is
just pander to the person , never criticize , just make them feel good and right .
But believe me this works to their own destruction too . we should have stuck to the biblical pattern that GOD set in all things .
As i am sure you do agree sister .

I do agree. It's good to see you today.

The Bible predicted the corruption of faith in Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

I do agree. It's good to see you today.

The Bible predicted the corruption of faith in Christ.

Me and sister marvelous were just talking about you last night at our bible reading . You and others , john and giller
and others too .
Times are getting worse even since those days sister .
The problem is that under the guise of seeker friendly and etc
And within society too
they came in with judge not correct not mindsets . And without correction , without sound instruction
those in error will get worse , NOT BETTER as error begets more error .
THIS is why we seen our churches fall and fall so fast specially as of late .
TO even the church its wrong and taboo to try and correct anyone , rather they just pander to the emotions
of said people to make THEM FEEL GOOD and EVEN RIGHT and JUSTIFIED in their bad behavoir .
THAT IS WHY you , yourself are not seeing anyone that would even hold a person accountable to his or her behavoir .
NOw on that path it gets worse and worse . Till now if one , say like me , or anyone , tries to even
correct bad behavor or bad thinking , the church even yells at us saying JUDGE NOT , dont hate . dont hate .
But have no idea its they who hate .
an example .
YE shall not HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way CORRECT them and not allow sin upon them .
BUT under todays mindset of what it thinks is love and caring , THEY DONT correct squat
or hold anyone accountable for their poor decisions or even sins . On that path Leaven has filled the places
as error begets only more error .
And on that same path guess what else happens , their hearts become very very hard and bitter against TRUTH
against correction , against even the very words of GOD in scripture . this is not looking good sister .
ITS time for men to stand up in them churches and start correcting again and start actually reading the bible again .