Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

But the Proverbs 31 woman sold her goods based on the overflow of work she did for her family.l, she didn't leave to work for a boss 8 hours a day five days a week.

Exactly right! Feminists want to re-interpret Proverbs 31 to me the archtype feminist.

We were not designed nor called to "do it all."

Exactly! Just another lie from this evil ideology that leads to misery. The mantra of "strong and independent" women who don't need no man and can "do it all" while "not settling" has proved to be disastrous.

Femininsts like @BlessedPeace and @Mink57 are in denial of the causal relationship between this evil ideology and mental health problems like "Hurried Woman Syndrome." It's just a random coincidence, having nothing to do with the real ideal of feminism. Fact is, women are less happy today than half a century ago. What changed? Feminist policies have been put in place.

Feminist solution? More feminism. (The same with communists)

 

[Mink57]

I am not against wives and mothers making money. But the Proverbs 31 woman sold her goods based on the overflow of work she did for her family.l, she didn't leave to work for a boss 8 hours a day five days a week.

"24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant."

II watched a video on how linen was made in by hand. Its made with a spindle and distaff. This would be done at home. She had extra to sell but she didn't work for a company, she was preparing her family with linen for warmer months and wool for cold ones. Her priority was preparing her family and the goods she sold was an overflow of that.

TBesides that, Scripture clearly calls women to be keepers at home.

Titus 2:3-5
King James Version
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.


I was shocked that no one talks about that verse but it is a blessing. Maintaining a full-time career competes with the needs of husband and children.

Its not that women don't work hard to balance it all. My mother did. But it cost her in physical, mental, and emotional health. We were not designed nor called to "do it all."

Wynona, I started to respond to your post last night/this morning. I went back into your OP and realized that I want to come at this from a different angle than where I started.

Might take me a good part of the morning, but bear with me!

 

[Wrangler]

Special accommodation? For what?

For every enterprise outside the home that feminists penetrate. See special programs to get women into college (even though they make up a majority of college students), sexual harassment laws in the workplace, women only sports teams, WIC, etc.

@Mink57, your silence on this tells the story of the evils of feminism.

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men now make up a minority of college students and the immediate need for programs to fix this inequality?
2. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that they don't need harassment laws in the workplace because they don't need special accomodation and it is insulting to suppose strong and independent women do need such special accomodation? Sexual Harassment in Our Nation’s Workplaces
3. Where are the feminists marching in the street, demanding the sexist program WIC get absolished (or at least named to equally apply to both parents)?
4. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that there are sex restricted sports teams and demanding only "open" tryouts regardless of what sex the person is, abolish Title IX, etc?
5. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men don't get custody 50% of the time or that joint physical custody 100% of the time is not the law of the land (unless special accomodation is called for), eliminating the archaic and sexist transfer of wealth payment system?
6. OR Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men's transfer of wealth payments are not tied to an accountability system where the money "for the children" is actually spent on the children rather than the life style of feminists who are supposedly "strong and independent and don't need a man's" money to begin with?
7. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men die earlier than women and we should be spending a proportionally more amount of money on men's only diseases and immediately end the sexist over-spending on women only (or predominantly) diseases?
8. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men are the only sex that have to register for selective service and demand women be treated equally in this regard?
9. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that the retirement age is the same but women live longer so the retirement age should be sex based adjusted so each sex gets to enjoy an average number of years in retirement?
10. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that 92% of the people who die on the job are men and action should be taken so women are equally put in dangerous jobs to equalize this sexist statistic?
11. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that only 1 of 11 prisoners are women and the need to immediately change these sexist laws to achieve equality?
12. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that only 10% of the homeless are women and the need to immediately change these sexist laws to achieve equality?

Apparently, inequality is good when it does not benefit the Patriarchy. One sided accomodation for sex is OK, right?

These questions reveal the lie that feminism is about equality. Feminism disguises victory as equality, which explains why you never see feminists marching in the street for "equality" that does not benefit them.

 

[Mink57]

I am not against wives and mothers making money. But the Proverbs 31 woman sold her goods based on the overflow of work she did for her family.l, she didn't leave to work for a boss 8 hours a day five days a week.

You don't know that for certain. You're making an assumption based on facts not in evidence. You cannot say that it's 'implied'. It isn't.
That's simply your interpretation.

Also, why she didn't leave to work for a boss, she may have left to work as she was self-employed. After all, she DID buy, sell and make a profit.

"24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant."

II watched a video on how linen was made in by hand. Its made with a spindle and distaff. This would be done at home. She had extra to sell but she didn't work for a company, she was preparing her family with linen for warmer months and wool for cold ones. Her priority was preparing her family and the goods she sold was an overflow of that.

Again, you don't know if what she did was from an overflow.

TBesides that, Scripture clearly calls women to be keepers at home.

Titus 2:3-5
King James Version
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Even if 'she' is to be the 'keeper of (at) home', that doesn't really mean much.

I was shocked that no one talks about that verse but it is a blessing.

Where in that verse does it say it's a 'blessing'?

Its not that women don't work hard to balance it all. My mother did. But it cost her in physical, mental, and emotional health. We were not designed nor called to "do it all."

We (women) weren't designed to "do it all" in the 1940's through the early 70's. Then again, what did "do it all" back then mean?

It meant that not only were women/wives/mothers expected to take care of ALL of the needs of the house, PLUS children, but also their husband's. And I'm sorry Wynona, but not ALL husbands were like the husband in Proverbs 31.

 

[Mink57]

@Mink57, your silence on this tells the story of the evils of feminism.

Oh, knock it off. My 'silence' doesn't mean anything that you claim. I could say the same thing about your OWN silence until now.
I mean, SERIOUSLY, dude....lighten up!

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men now make up a minority of college students and the immediate need for programs to fix this inequality?

Why should feminists be angry about this? If men don't CHOOSE to go college, what does that have to do with feminism? Just because many women CHOOSE to go to college doesn't mean that men 'should' CHOOSE not to.

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that they don't need harassment laws in the workplace because they don't need special accomodation and it is insulting to suppose strong and independent women do need such special accomodation? Sexual Harassment in Our Nation’s Workplaces

What are you talking about? Women DO need harassment laws! Do men sexually harass other men? Probably. But not nearly as often as men sexually harassing women.

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, demanding the sexist program WIC get absolished (or at least named to equally apply to both parents)?

Why should WIC be abolished? Sorry Wrangler, but just because some men have more of an ego at state and refuse to admit that they NEED assistance, isn't the responsibility of women! If women started WIC, why can't men start MIC?

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that there are sex restricted sports teams and demanding only "open" tryouts regardless of what sex the person is, abolish Title IX, etc?

Oh please...I'm not one of 'those' women.

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men don't get custody 50% of the time or that joint physical custody 100% of the time is not the law of the land (unless special accomodation is called for), eliminating the archaic and sexist transfer of wealth payment system?

You really don't know much about law, do you? MOST custody cases are decided OUTSIDE the courtroom. Judges don't want custody cases to clog up the courtrooms, and therefore, MANY states issue MANDATORY programs for both men AND women to come to a 'reasonable' agreement of custody. The whole "court papers say..." is a BLUEPRINT. That is, that just because 'the man' is awarded custody 50% of the time doesn't mean that the couple can't decide TOGETHER that MORE time may be necessary.

So many people don't realize that the whole "court order" thing is a FALL-BACK. That is, the courts try to encourage the couple to agree on custody, BUT, if custody can't be agreed upon, the court has the final say...unless they petition the court to change the order.

I really wish more people knew about this...

1. OR Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men's transfer of wealth payments are not tied to an accountability system where the money "for the children" is actually spent on the children rather than the life style of feminists who are supposedly "strong and independent and don't need a man's" money to begin with?

Hey, I'm WITH YOU on that! See? I'm not as 'bad' as you think I am!

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men die earlier than women and we should be spending a proportionally more amount of money on men's only diseases and immediately end the sexist over-spending on women only (or predominantly) diseases?

Are you serious? The reason WHY this happens is because women SPEAK UP about their ailments, whereas so many men DON'T!! You want more money allocated to men's diseases, then encourage men to SPEAK UP.

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that men are the only sex that have to register for selective service and demand women be treated equally in this regard?

Oh please...selective service doesn't even exist anymore, and feminists have FOUGHT for the right for women to enter into the armed forces....which nowadays, they DO.

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that the retirement age is the same but women live longer so the retirement age should be sex based adjusted so each sex gets to enjoy an average number of years in retirement?

Ha! As if women have some 'stronghold' on how long men live!

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that 92% of the people who die on the job are men and action should be taken so women are equally put in dangerous jobs to equalize this sexist statistic?

Sorry dude...but you're making what YOU call NATURE the fault of WOMEN. Don't forget...women didn't DESIGN the Patriarchal system...MEN did. You MEN create a 'system' that's beneficial to YOU, and then fault women for not opposing it?

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that only 1 of 11 prisoners are women and the need to immediately change these sexist laws to achieve equality?

Oh, so what are women supposed to do? Start committing MORE crime so they're "equal" with men?

1. Where are the feminists marching in the street, angry that only 10% of the homeless are women and the need to immediately change these sexist laws to achieve equality?

So....more women are supposed to become homeless?

Apparently, inequality is good when it does not benefit the Patriarchy. One sided accomodation for sex is OK, right?

These questions reveal the lie that feminism is about equality. Feminism disguises victory as equality, which explains why you never see feminists marching in the street for "equality" that does not benefit them.

You really DON'T get it....

 

[Wrangler]

Why should feminists be angry about this? If men don't CHOOSE to go college, what does that have to do with feminism?

Ah! That was not THE question when women chose not to go to college a century ago. D’at different.

 

[Mink57]

Ah! That was not THE question when women chose not to go to college a century ago. D’at different.

Women didn't choose NOT to go to college a century ago. Men PROHIBITED them from going to college, trying to regulate their ''role' from that of being homemakers ONLY.

If LAW prohibits one from doing something one may WANT to do, you can't say that they made that choice willingly.

The law used to be that women were not allowed to vote. Women didn't CHOOSE that decision.
Women didn't CHOOSE NOT to go to college. They didn't HAVE any choice.

Enter Feminism. Giving women the power of CHOICE.

 

[Wynona]

You don't know that for certain. You're making an assumption based on facts not in evidence. You cannot say that it's 'implied'. It isn't.
That's simply your interpretation.

Except I'm not claiming implied. I'm saying her business was not a competing priority to her household. Can you prove that my interpretation is wrong? Why is yours more likely based on evidence?

Even if 'she' is to be the 'keeper of (at) home', that doesn't really mean much.

It means guide the house like it says in 1 Timothy. A home manager.

It meant that not only were women/wives/mothers expected to take care of ALL of the needs of the house, PLUS children, but also their husband's. And I'm sorry Wynona, but not ALL husbands were like the husband in Proverbs 31.

When did I say all husbands are like the husband in Proverbs 31 or imply it? Even a Godly woman can have a husband that refuses to mature. Submissiveness and valuing home is a matter of obedience to the Lord whether the husband is Godly or not. It just so happens that most husbands respond extremely well to being respected in their homes.


My question is, are you really saying stigma against women being homemakers has nothing to do with the feminist movement or women's liberation? I see nothing to say that there's no connection.

You said I only quoted one feminist. Technically I quoted at least two. Can you find feminists that agree with husband's being the head of their homes? This is what Scripture teaches. But feminism rejects this. Scripture and feminism are incompatible.

I say homemaking is a blessing because that has been my personal experience. But there's plenty of Scripture that says we are blessed for obeying the Lord in the face of mocking, opposition, and ridicule.

Being a keeper of the home is a matter of preventing the Word of God from being blasphemed so it means a lot, especially in a culture where news anchors and celebrities mock housewives on public television.

 

[Wynona]

 

[Wrangler]

Real feminism on display. Vid worth watching about misandry.

 

[Wynona]

Since I have been told I misrepresent real feminism, I'll be listening to this book in the women's liberation movement.



I get it through an app I subscribe to so its actually on audio with a paid narrator. I chose it because it's supposed to take a lot of quotes from the leaders themselves.

I also found a UK gender studies course thats free. Less excited about that one. But its worth scanning.

Hopefully primary resources and feminist perspectives themselved will prevent me from misrepresenting the movement. But who knows. No true scotsman is a real thing logical fallacy.

 

[Wrangler]

Since I have been told I misrepresent real feminism, I'll be listening to this book in the women's liberation movement ...

I also found a UK gender studies course thats free. Less excited about that one. But its worth scanning.

Hopefully primary resources and feminist perspectives themselved will prevent me from misrepresenting the movement.

You do not have the burden to do this. The propagandists in this thread make no argument whatsoever! All they can do is accuse us of not knowing their real or ideal IDOL. They cannot even explain what their real or ideal IDOL is in practice compared to what we have observed over many, many years. Empty is their rhetoric.

And they don't even attempt to claim this IDOL is from Scripture. Rather, when presented with Scripture that exposes their false god, they retreat to subjective interpretation. Who does it remind you of to make false Accusations and deliberately misinterpret God's word?

They attempt to modify Scripture to fit their world view, rather than allow Scripture to form their world view. We all have the burden to avoid this sister.

Proverbs 4:14
Do not enter the path of the wicked,
And do not walk in the way of evil.

Jesus, Matthew 10:16
I am sending you like lambs into a pack of wolves. So be as wise as snakes and as innocent as doves.

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

2 Corinthians 10:5
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,

Psalm 34:13-16
Keep your tongue from evil,
And your lips from speaking deceit.
Depart from evil and do good;
Seek peace and pursue it. The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their cry.
The face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
To cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

 

[Wynona]

You do not have the burden to do this. The propagandists in this thread make no argument whatsoever! All they can do is accuse us of not knowing their real or ideal IDOL. They cannot even explain what their real or ideal IDOL is in practice compared to what we have observed over many, many years. Empty is their rhetoric.

And they don't even attempt to claim this IDOL is from Scripture. Rather, when presented with Scripture that exposes their false god, they retreat to subjective interpretation. Who does it remind you of to make false Accusations and deliberately misinterpret God's word?

They attempt to modify Scripture to fit their world view, rather than allow Scripture to form their world view. We all have the burden to avoid this sister.

Proverbs 4:14
Do not enter the path of the wicked,
And do not walk in the way of evil.

Jesus, Matthew 10:16
I am sending you like lambs into a pack of wolves. So be as wise as snakes and as innocent as doves.

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

2 Corinthians 10:5
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ,

Psalm 34:13-16
Keep your tongue from evil,
And your lips from speaking deceit.
Depart from evil and do good;
Seek peace and pursue it. The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their cry.
The face of the LORD is against those who do evil,
To cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.

Its not that I don't feel confident about my knowledge of feminism. I just figured being thorough couldn't hurt going forward.

I'm really passionate about this topic even in a strictly learning sense.

And yes, I agree that just saying someone is wrong doesn't actually prove anything.

The only thing mosts feminists and Christians seem to have in common is a big ignorance of the source material (feminists writings and the Bible). I plan to dot my i's and cross my t's on the topic because I want to, in some way be effective at influencing culture for the future.

I want to be sharp.

 

[Wynona]

 

[Mink57]

Except I'm not claiming implied. I'm saying her business was not a competing priority to her household. Can you prove that my interpretation is wrong? Why is yours more likely based on evidence?

The purpose of the Proverb has been interpreted variously. More symbolically (and more likely), it is the portrait of a household ruled by a Woman's Wisdom (as, the husband 'trusts her judgment') and because of his trust in her, he now has a worthy wife and children, profit from her earnings, a great household and is renown in the community.

In contrast, another interpretation is that the 'ideal' Woman of Worth is an impossible standard to obtain, even way back when. After all, even if a woman doesn't work outside the home, not everything is going to run smoothly every day. Children get sick...animals get sick...even the wife gets sick. Sometimes a housewife is unable to get what she needs to make dinner. She may have to go to different stores, and that will set her running behind. One of her children may need extra attention that day. Plus, if she is running a business in addition to her household duties, it would be unrealistic to believe that her business would never be a competitive priority to her household.

It's funny how you said earlier that women aren't designed to "have it all." And yet...isn't that what the Woman of Worth is doing?

It means guide the house like it says in 1 Timothy. A home manager.


When did I say all husbands are like the husband in Proverbs 31 or imply it? Even a Godly woman can have a husband that refuses to mature. Submissiveness and valuing home is a matter of obedience to the Lord whether the husband is Godly or not. It just so happens that most husbands respond extremely well to being respected in their homes.

I think that many people understand 'submissiveness' to be something that it's not, PLUS, they don't understand that we are being called to "submit to ONE ANOTHER out of reverence out of reverence to Christ" (Eph. 5:21).

My question is, are you really saying stigma against women being homemakers has nothing to do with the feminist movement or women's liberation? I see nothing to say that there's no connection.

I'm saying that the 'stigma' against women being homemakers was already in play before feminism got involved. Historically, women have never really been revered as housewives, even from their own husbands, nor were they thought of as capable of doing anything else.
Feminism began to challenge erroneous claims about women...such as, women's brains were inferior to men's, rendering women incapable of voting...and that voting would cause infertility in women...or that the majority of women didn't WANT to vote.
...NONE of which was true.

Women get the short end of the stick. If a woman is a homemaker, she's frowned upon for not using her God-given talents for something more beneficial to society. If a woman is a working mother, she's frowned upon for not being at home, doting on her husband and children. She can't WIN! One of the goals of feminists is to change these attitudes, and allow women to make choices without a stigma attached to either choice.

You said I only quoted one feminist. Technically I quoted at least two. Can you find feminists that agree with husband's being the head of their homes? This is what Scripture teaches. But feminism rejects this. Scripture and feminism are incompatible.

You may have quoted two, but you said "many." Two isn't "many."

The Bible does not teach that the husband is "head of the HOUSE"; only that the husband is head of the WOMAN. There are instances in the bible that demonstrate that both mother and father have EQUAL AUTHORITY in the house. Plus, there is nothing in the Bible that says that the husband isn't allowed to relinquish his 'authority' over his wife. Believe me, there are plenty of men who would LOVE to give all decision-making power over to their wives, so they don't have to bother with it.

Not so much a matter of feminism, but of interpretation.

I say homemaking is a blessing because that has been my personal experience. But there's plenty of Scripture that says we are blessed for obeying the Lord in the face of mocking, opposition, and ridicule.

As you say, homemaking may be a blessing for YOU because of your experience. Not so much for others because of their experiences.

Being a keeper of the home is a matter of preventing the Word of God from being blasphemed so it means a lot, especially in a culture where news anchors and celebrities mock housewives on public television.

Housewives have been made into a stereotype since the 1940's, because many have no clue what goes into homemaking. They paint the picture of a woman getting her nails done (with her husband's money) and eating bon-bons while watching t.v. There may have been a few women who did this, but the 'average' housewife WITH CHILDREN is and was, often harried. Her 'burnout' wasn't taken seriously by her spouse or even doctors.

These days, more and more men are joining the ranks of stay at home dads, and many of them are finding out that being SAHD isn't as 'glamourous' as they thought! They're finding out that homemaking is actually WORK!

Seems that women get the short end of the stick no matter WHAT they do. If they are SAHM, they're criticized. If they join the workforce, even if the income is necessary, they're criticized. It's a no-win situation.

What feminism's aim was, was to change the archaic and often erroneous attitudes about women's "inferior" roles.

Think that's happened yet?

 

[Wrangler]

Seems that women get the short end of the stick no matter WHAT they do.

Victim mentality.

Women did not die by the millions on battlefields over the centuries and put first on life boats because they got the short end of the stick.

See sin of coveting. See Original Sin.

 

[Wrangler]

The only thing mosts feminists and Christians seem to have in common is a big ignorance of the source material

Did you notice the propagandists could not even site source material writers?

Naturally, they've already deemed out feminist indoctrination lacking. Nevertheless, I did read The Man of Reason: Male and "Female" in Western Philosophy by Genevieve Lloyd. It was poorly written propaganda with great hubris and victim mentality oozing throughout.

The primary thesis is that it is truly not possible to understand what feminism is until all their political objectives are met on a world wide scale. In other words, first you have to abdicate your reasoning mind to this evil ideology and implement whatever it self-proclaimed leaders say to achieve "equality" in their mind, and then and only then do they allow us the dignity to evaluate the truth of its ideas. You can't make this stuff up!

 

[Mink57]

Victim mentality.

No, it's not victim mentality.

Women did not die by the millions on battlefields over the centuries and put first on life boats because they got the short end of the stick.

Did WOMEN demand that this be done? No, MEN did.

See sin of coveting. See Original Si

What does the sin of coveting have to do with anything?

Maybe see the sin of PRIDE, which seems to guide Patriarchal attitudes.

 

[Wrangler]

No, it's not victim mentality.

Yes, it is Exhibit A of victim mentality.

Did WOMEN demand that this be done? No, MEN did.

This is Competitive Feminism. Women are victims and it's man's fault! You refuse to have any compassion whatsoever for the plight of men. The reason for this is you are so wrapped up in your victim mentality.

What does the sin of coveting have to do with anything?

Everything.

Maybe see the sin of PRIDE, which seems to guide Patriarchal attitudes.

No way. You claim to read the Bible. The Patriarch's show their humility by detailing their faults. Women's writings stick to THE MESSAGE, Mary Sue's incapable of even the possibility of error or gratitude for the society the Patriarchy created. The solution for feminists is so simple. Conquer your own land! Show us how it is done. Stop wasting your time, money and talent on all things men have anything to do with - society, infrastructure, technology, procreation, etc. Show us. Stop talking about how great your ideology is. Show us the money. Thanks!

 

[Mink57]

Yes, it is Exhibit A of victim mentality.



This is Competitive Feminism. Women are victims and it's man's fault! You refuse to have any compassion whatsoever for the plight of men. The reason for this is you are so wrapped up in your victim mentality.

No, it's not Competitive Feminism. It's not about being the "man's fault." If Patriarchy wants men to be 'in charge' then they don't get to complain when things don't go their way.

I DO have compassion for men. That is, for the men who DESERVE compassion. If I'm at a bus stop waiting for a bus, and a man was at the stop ahead of me, I don't think, "Gee...I'm a WOMAN...let me on the bus ahead of you because I'm a woman." Even if a man waves me on ahead of him, I tell him, "You were here FIRST. GO!!"

Sorry Wrangler, but you're too wrapped up in the whole "man vs. woman" thing to even notice that at least SOME women are more interested in humanity than gender.

Everything.

Do tell....This I GOTTA see...

No way. You claim to read the Bible. The Patriarch's show their humility by detailing their faults. Women's writings stick to THE MESSAGE, Mary Sue's incapable of even the possibility of error or gratitude for the society the Patriarchy created. The solution for feminists is so simple. Conquer your own land! Show us how it is done. Stop wasting your time, money and talent on all things men have anything to do with - society, infrastructure, technology, procreation, etc. Show us. Stop talking about how great your ideology is. Show us the money. Thanks!

Are you kidding me????

Wow. Talk about a hatred for a perceived view of women!!!

Maybe come down off that perch you put yourself on, an see how the REAL world is!