Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

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Mink57

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I'm open to hearing what you believe feminism is specifically.

I try to read feminist writing and study the movement but I can always learn more.

I consider feminist leaders like Mary Wollenstonecraft, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, Betty Friedan, Simone de Beauvoir, belle.hooks and others to all be key leaders of the movement.

I don't mind reading more quotes by them but I feel pretty confident that the movement is mostly antagonistic towards women being homemakers who depend financially on their husbands. I see nothing to combat that.

Still, feel free to share. I am open to dialogue on this.
Ok. I'm glad you mentioned some of the 'leaders' in Feminism.

Feminism didn't just begin in the 1800's. Began a lot sooner. And Feminism wasn't regulated to the United States. Feminism has been around for a lot longer than the Americas.

But Feminism became more ORGANZED in the 1800's in the states. Not so much for other places in world. Feminism isn't ONLY about what's happening in the US...it's WORLDWIDE.

Feminism is about the desire to be treated FAIRLY; not about trying to 'do what a man does'. So much of what a man does isn't about gender; it's about desire. For instance, I'm a woman who has no problem changing the oil in her car. It's got NOTHING TO DO with gender. I KNOW I'm more competent at auto mechanics than my few husbands were. And if they felt "emasculated" by my skill, then maybe THEY should STEP UP TO THE PLATE. Why do I..as a woman, have to 'back down'?

Some of this stuff shouldn't even be an issue, and yet SOME men and SOME women have MADE it an issue.
 

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This is a good question. I would start by comparing the difference in mothers who choose to stay at home vs work full time as mothers since the second wave in the 1960's. I think the difference is directly due to the mainstream acceptance of feminist ideas. I can get the actual numbers a bit later when Im not busy.
Wynona, you'll NEVER get the full numbers. You'll get estimates, and that's about it.
 

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I can see eliminating patriarchy,
You can see eliminating the patriarchy? LOL Funny how no feminist groups emerged other than from the patriarchy.

but to state that feminism's goal is to 'get women away from homes' is MORE than a stretch. That's NOT what feminism is about!

Sure it is! Where have you been? The last thing feminists want is for women to choose the traditional roles.
 

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What authoritative stats would you accept?
Wynona already named a few well-known leaders. None of those leaders ever said that Feminism's mission is to get women out of the house.
She also said that she "feels pretty confident that the movement is mostly antagonistic towards women being homemakers who depend financially on their husbands." Again, that's her opinion; not a fact. I know that SOME Feminists are antagonistic toward women being homemakers, just like there are SOME non-feminists who believe in a more 'traditional' way of life.

Of course there are women who CHOOSE to be homemakers, and I have no problem with their choice...as long as it's THEIR choice.
 

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Odd dismissal of stats when it does not fit your cause.
The problem with the 'stats' is that the 'stats' don't make a direct correlation to Feminism as the reason why some women are not as happy TODAY that they may have been in the 1970's.
 

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The problem with the 'stats' is that the 'stats' don't make a direct correlation to Feminism as the reason why some women are not as happy TODAY that they may have been in the 1970's.
Yes they do. You, like @BlessedPeace, just don’t want to admit there is something wrong with your IDOL.

It’s hard to imagine an advocacy group advocating what harms the group they claim to represent but there it is.
 

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You can see eliminating the patriarchy? LOL Funny how no feminist groups emerged other than from the patriarchy.
Please understand that Patriarchy has NOT been around for MOST of human history. Would stand to reason that if Patriarchy wasn't around, Feminism wouldn't be necessary either.
Sure it is! Where have you been? The last thing feminists want is for women to choose the traditional roles.
Define 'traditional' roles.
 

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Yes they do. You, like @BlessedPeace, just don’t want to admit there is something wrong with your IDOL.
Or perhaps it's YOU who doesn't want to admit that you're wrong?
It’s hard to imagine an advocacy group advocating what harms the group they claim to represent but there it is.
Such as...? Just what 'harm' are you talking about?
 

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Yes they do. You, like @BlessedPeace, just don’t want to admit there is something wrong with your IDOL.

It’s hard to imagine an advocacy group advocating what harms the group they claim to represent but there it is.
Well,at least that account didn't regurgitate the tired slander,worship.

That Satanic slur must be reserved for Christian Conservatives only.

It's an education in itself,this thread. Two people, you and Wynona,who know nothing about actual Feminism and its history, imagine what it is.
You refuse to learn. Which says it all. You excuse why you both refuse to learn the truth by asking those who note you don't know the truth to show where you're wrong.

When that repeated challenge tells readers you wilfully ignore what has already and repeatedly been offered to that end.

Then you continue to bloviate against what you both have manufactured as fiction you label feminism.

And you "both" think no one notices that you both are then actually arguing against your own selves? Because refusing to learn the truth while continuing to pursue an attack on a lie you both manufacturer,while inviting others to agree, is not only dishonest it is blasphemy! When you then inject the Bible as supporting your feminist fiction .

Idol?
Yes. Obviously, my God!
Who hasn't already seen this? In thread after thread you both start or enter into regarding your slanders against Feminism!

I know what's next? That next anti-woman idol. "Does God call women to preach?"

Something those like you and your accomplice miss,the rage in you both ,the contempt, resonates in every thread you create to assail women btw, is GOD made man and woman as anatomical mirror reflections of one another.

Wear a slogan tee shirt and look in the mirror. The slogan printing is in reverse in that reflection.
So too is the anatomy of male,female.

The penis and scrotum sacks of the male on their outside is patterned in the female inside as uterus and ovaries. The skin that surrounds the scrotum and the foreskin in the male is the labia and clitoris of the female.

GOD'S design.
And you "two" think women are to know their place?

God beat you to it. And guess what? It isn't your ideal! It's greater.

Hate your manufactured feminism doctrine. You hate your creation.

God doesn't hate his. Nor do empowered women.

We scare you.
That much is obvious.

That's a shame.

And too bad.
 
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Please understand that Patriarchy has NOT been around for MOST of human history.
Sure it has! Who told you the Patriarchy has not been around for most of human history?

You're in denial that the Patriarchy did not start as a women hating movement. It was a survival strategy! A successful survival strategy.

Would stand to reason that if Patriarchy wasn't around, Feminism wouldn't be necessary either.

Feminism is not needed just as cancer is not needed.

Define 'traditional' roles.
Women in the house. Men out in the world, at the perimeter of the house. This includes men representing the family in voting.

So, whenever feminist leaders talk about making the world better for feminist's victims (women), they are undermining traditional roles. I always find it funny how feminists claim equality but also want/demand special accomodation AND never for men who have not been treated equally by society. My wife's eyes were opened when we went on a cruise and there was a mandatory safety lecture. Imagine the outrage if men and children got preferential seating on life boats?

Women leaving the homes did not start with 19th century feminism. It is a cycle throughout all of human history that indicates the end of society is near. See The Fate of Empires by Sir John Glubb. And the reason is so obvious! It takes only one generation to be neglected by their mother's teaching them proper morals for society to loose its cohesion. America is ripe for collapse. Glubb's observations of signaling the end is near:
  1. Women leaving the house to enter business and politics.
  2. Lowering of sexual mores (homosexuality, permiscuity).
  3. Lowering birth rates.
  4. Spending on benevolent programs beyond the the public treasury's capacity to fund.
Does any of this sound like modern day America? Feminism is the disease not the cure!
 

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It's an education in itself,this thread. Two people, you and Wynona,who know nothing about actual Feminism
LOL

You're like the staunch supporter of communism who demure at the river of blood from the evil ideology claiming its pure form has never been practiced. Hear me well. Feminism has proven itself more deadly than communism and fascism combined. Combined!
 
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Or perhaps it's YOU who doesn't want to admit that you're wrong?

Such as...? Just what 'harm' are you talking about?
Consider this.


When Wrangler knows nothing about actual Feminism, boasts "he" refused to learn how wrong he is, and then delves further into personal attacks against women yet again by calling feminine empowerment a Cancer,especially if you have known anyone who has had cancer,you know you're dealing with someone who will never ever be reached by truth.

They verbally assault women . That is what leads and feeds them.
 
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