Spiritual Extortion - The threat of consequence for refusing the "Free Gift" of salvation

[Behold]

, believing and faith is a gift from God.

ITs interesting to note that a Calvinist, can never be on any Thread, where they dont feel the compulsion to have to post some of Calvin's Lies.

Calvin makes very devoted, yet deceived Disciples.
Thats a fact.
If Jesus could get his people to Stand up and Be Counted For JESUS...... like Calvin's Deceived feel the need to sell John Calvin's theology...... then God would be well pleased.

 

[Behold]

It can't be free if there are conditions.

Free = no conditions

Salvation is Christ on the Cross, and He died freely giving Himself to God, as the eternal sacrifice for the sin of the World.

So, that is "The Gift of Salvation".. Its Jesus The Lord, dying on The Cross.

And its Free.. He is the Free Gift of Salvation... to all who will come to Jesus The Christ and receive HIM, by faith.

God wont force you to receive His Gift,, "but as many as received Him, (by your faith)... God gave them (me, you, everyone) power to become a Son/Daughter of God".

 

[GodsGrace]

Belief and faith are precious gift from God.you can freely believe in God from one’s own capacity..to truly believe in one’s spirit, that’s the supernatural gift of faith..mind Blowing.

Philippians 1​

King James Version​

1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 I thank my God upon every remembrance of you,
4 Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy,
5 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.
9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
12 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;
13 So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places;
14 And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
19 For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith;
26 That your rejoicing may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again.
27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;
28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
30 Having the same conflict which ye saw in me, and now hear to be in me.
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What does Philippians chapter 1 verse 29 mean?
In this profound passage, the Apostle Paul emphasizes a remarkable truth: both faith and the privilege of suffering for Christ are gracious gifts from God.

What's the difference between
BELIEVING
and
TRULY BELIEVING

Is there a difference between
STEALING
and
TRULY STEALING

Is there a difference between
DYING
and
TRULY DYING

Is there a difference between
LYING
and
TRULY LYING


You did make one correct statement:
"you can freely believe in God".

Do you know why God wants you to FREELY BELIEVE in Him?
Because He doesn't want a bunch of robots "loving" Him.
He's GOD...
He wants REAL LOVE.
REAL LOVE must be freely given.

Have YOU ever loved anyone?
Did they FORCE YOU to love them?
Or did you FREELY LOVE?

If it wasn't FREE
It wasn't LOVE.

 

[Ritajanice]

What's the difference between
BELIEVING
and
TRULY BELIEVING

Did you read the scripture I posted?..he gifts us belief and faith.

Is there a difference between
STEALING
and
TRULY STEALING

Is there a difference between
DYING
and
TRULY DYING

Is there a difference between
LYING
and
TRULY LYING

Big difference is our spirit must be birthed into the Holy Spirit, then and only then can we believe . because our spirit has been birthed?

Our spirit doesn’t get Born Again as you have quoted..our spirit is birthed, just as Gods word says.

We are Born Again of imperishable seed?

You did make one correct statement:
"you can freely believe in God".

You can believe as a human.theres no power in human belief/ faith...you must be Born Again to be able to believe in God, in your heart..just as God says,,Spirit gives birth to spirit...there is only power in supernatural faith, which I’ve explained to you many times.

Faith is Alive and Active in us.

Do you know why God wants you to FREELY BELIEVE in Him?

You can’t freely believe in God..you need to know him first in your spirit?

Belief is given to us by his mercy/ grace...no one can say who Jesus is, except by the Holy Spirit?

Because He doesn't want a bunch of robots "loving" Him.
He's GOD...
He wants REAL LOVE.

What’s real love?

REAL LOVE must be freely given.

So tell me how would you know how to love God, as you say “ freely”?


A Born Again is not a robot, they are Born Of Gods seed.
Because they were chosen and predestined to believe, just as his word says.

Have YOU ever loved anyone?
Did they FORCE YOU to love them?
Or did you FREELY LOVE?

If it wasn't FREE
It wasn't LOVE.

God loved me first in my spirit, His Love is irresistible ,its gets deeper and deeper, in my spirit..as we are his spirit children.,he loves us from within our spirit..all day every day.

Supernatural faith from God...just keeps on growing...the Spirit is Alive in our spirit..

Do you know the Love Of God in your heart..by what means would you know that God Loves you @GodsGrace ..simple enough question to ask you?

Pretty simple answer also.

 

[St. SteVen]

I don't understand universalism well.
Why is there a judgment?? If all will be saved.
Why an evaluation and restoration?
Will a "saved" person (born again in Christian lingo) be judged differently than an unsaved person?
What is the value of judging?

Great post. These are some excellent questions. Thanks.

I use the word "judgement" because most Christian understand what that means. (in general)
I prefer the word "evaluation" because it sounds less judgmental. Better fit for what I see happening.
The goal will be restoration and redemption.

As you probably already know, there is a day (age) coming when every nation and leader,
both governmental and religious, and every individual, will be judged. (evaluated)
This will require an entire age. Everyone's secrets will be laid bare before everyone in attendance.
Every action and even every idle word and thought for all to see. You are probably familiar with this scripture.

1 Corinthians 3:12-15 NIV
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light.
It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.
14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—
even though only as one escaping through the flames.

So Jesus bought us back so that WE CAN CHOOSE to be saved by Him INDIVIDUALLY.

That seems redundant to me.

This is from
1 John 1:3-4
3what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.
4These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.

What value do these words have if everyone is going to be saved in the end?

There are an Elect that were predestined to enter life at this present time.
The others will come along later. "But each in turn..."

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

This is in
1 John 2:2-6
2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
5but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
6the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

The above states that Jesus did not die only for the saved but for the sins of the whole world.
But it goes on to say that we have come to know Him IF we keep His commandments.

I think this is an indictment on those who CLAIM to know Jesus but show no works. (evidence of transformation)
What are Jesus commandments? (commands)

What happens to those in universalist theology that DO NOT keep His commandments??

Same as anyone else who lacks evidence of transformation.
Universalists aren't exempt from evaluation, correction, restoration and redemption.

Jesus said to cut off that hand, or pluck out that eye that makes you sin. (figuratively)
You would be better off without it in the afterlife. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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[St. SteVen]

A gift could have conditions:
A birthday has to accur
A place must be reached
A ticket purchased - it could be free
and more....

I'm familiar with that argument.
If it's REALLY free, it cost you nothing.

Plus, we have to go by what scripture states:
In Ephesians 2:8-9 all 3 are gifts:
GRACE
FAITH
SALVATION

Clear to me.
Not from yourselves = no conditions (so that no one can boast)

Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

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[Ritajanice]

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

Yes, and where are we made Alive..in our spirit, Born Again, regenerated.

Some say, we get Born Again, they want to use their own words, therefore getting Born Again isn’t biblical, makes no sense.

 

[St. SteVen]

And its Free.. He is the Free Gift of Salvation... to all who will come to Jesus The Christ and receive HIM, by faith.

It's not free if there are requirements.

Requirements = cost

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[Ritajanice]

To all who are drawn to Jesus by the Father...you can only draw nearer to God, one we are Born Again..because we have been Born Of God’s seed.

 

[St. SteVen]

Universalism attempts to answer some of the most difficult questions about salvation.

Evangelicalism puts some very tight restraints/requirements on the "free" gift of salvation.
Thus making it a NOT-free gift. Requirements/conditions must be met AND maintained, otherwise
the "free" gift of salvation is either LOST, or revoked. Imagine a "free" gift being revoked. - LOL

We looked at a scripture earlier that put people in two groups. (John 3:36)
Believers in the Son, or those who reject the Son. Many have gone missing in this equation.

Countless billions have gone into the afterlife with no opportunity to believe, or reject.
And what about those living today with mental disabilities, or children lost in childbirth, or early death.

Christians are pretty quick to allow grace for those with mental disabilities, or children lost in childbirth.
But these caveats open the door to other possibilities. When and how will this be dealt with?
And what about the aforementioned countless billions have gone into the afterlife with no opportunity
to believer, or reject. Christians say, there is no second chance. But these have not had a first chance.

How and when can all the challenges of the redemption of humankind be met?

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[Behold]

It's not free if there are requirements.

Requirements = cost

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Let me show you how to think about this.

If you are someone who celebrates Jesus's Birthday Celebration. ????????????????????

Do you give gifts to people you love? ?????

Is your mother alive?
Even if she's not.....have you never given your mother A Christmas Gift, ??

So, did she have to take it from your hand, to get it?

See that?
That is how you are trying to prove that Receiving the Gift of Salvation, is a "Requirement".

Your mother taking that gift from your hand, is our Faith taking God's Son as God's "Gift of Salvation", @St. SteVen

 

[Behold]

Universalism attempts to answer some of the most difficult questions about salvation.

You are "marketing" a cult teaching by pretending that a false theology, can answer questions, when it actually only teaches lies.

So, you can continue to try to do that, but, all you are selling is one more man made = "doctrine of devils", all wrapped up in a con job. @St. SteVen

 

[Behold]

Evangelicalism puts some very tight restraints/requirements on the "free" gift of salvation.

What you posted is your unfortunate misunderstanding... ........as Im am Evangelist, and i put no "tight requirements" on the "Gift of Salvation"

Nor does Paul or Jesus or God.

Salvation is Jesus.... and once the Cults then twist this... into their idea of their false Gospel, and false Theology, then THAT is when it flies off the rails, and into the ditch of Heresy, so that the world now has 45,000 Denominations.

See, God would .....that all come to faith in Christ. He's made the Standing Offer, as that is the Cross of Christ raised up from the Earth, with the Lord Jesus The Christ, NAILED on it.

And "faith in something" is not a tight requirement.. its simply the HEART method that accesses it.

For example, you are teaching a false doctrine......and you found it, and believed it, and that was not a "work" .. = that was your "faith. @St. SteVen

YOU put your faith in a False Cult Teaching and now you are Its Seller, and you sell it by teaching it and defending it. @St. SteVen

Thats what Calvinists do.
That's what Mormons do
That's what JW's do
Thats what Scientologists do.

ect, ect, ect.......................ect......>

See, all heresies require your faith to deceive you, and that is not a work.....its just Faith to believe it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Did you read the scripture I posted?..he gifts us belief and faith.

I read it.
Did YOU read what I asked you?
Do you have a reply?

Big difference is our spirit must be birthed into the Holy Spirit, then and only then can we believe . because our spirit has been birthed?

So you're saying we have to be born again FIRST and THEN we can believe?
Where does it state this in the NT?
Also, this is going to derail this thread so....

Our spirit doesn’t get Born Again as you have quoted..our spirit is birthed, just as Gods word says.

What's the difference between BEING BORN
and being BIRTHED?

Do you think YOU had the baby
or
The dr that pulled him out?

We are Born Again of imperishable seed?

That's right.
But it's JESUS that is the imperishable seed. The WORD of God.
WE are not seeds, but that which the seed produces.

1 Peter 1:22-23
22Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart,
23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


1. The above states that WE OURSELVES have purified our souls (for a sincere love of the brethren).
WE have purified OUR SOULS.....
Do you understand that WE must do some things to belong to the Kingdom?

2. The above states that THE LIVING WORD is the imperishable seed.
I understand this to be Jesus. In any case...WE are not the imperishable seed.

You can believe as a human.theres no power in human belief/ faith...you must be Born Again to be able to believe in God, in your heart..just as God says,,Spirit gives birth to spirit...there is only power in supernatural faith, which I’ve explained to you many times.

You haven't explained the difference between FAITH and REAL FAITH.
Maybe you could go back, read my post, and then reply.

Faith is Alive and Active in us.

You can’t freely believe in God..you need to know him first in your spirit?

Where does it say I can't freely believe in God?
Do I have to post again the tens of verses that state that we are TO SEEK GOD?

Matthew 6:33​

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Hebrews 11:6​

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

1 Chronicles 16:11​

Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

Proverbs 8:17​

I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.

Jeremiah 29:13​

You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

There are plenty more.
God COMMANDS US TO SEEK HIM.
YOUR theology teaches that man is UNABLE to seek God.

It directly goes AGAINST scripture.

Belief is given to us by his mercy/ grace...no one can say who Jesus is, except by the Holy Spirit?

Agreed.

What’s real love?

Maybe another day on another thread.
We're derailing this thread too much.

Although it does have to do with God's FREE GIFT of love.

So tell me how would you know how to love God, as you say “ freely”?

Ritajanice,,,,if you don't know how to love someone freely, I'm afraid no one here will be able to help you.
Does someone hold a gun to your head and tell you to love him...
or do you love him from your own FREE WILL?

Calvinism teaches that you DO NOT love God freely.
It teaches that God forces you to love Him.
You said you believe in irrisiteble grace.
That means God forces you to love Him.

A Born Again is not a robot, they are Born Of Gods seed.
Because they were chosen and predestined to believe, just as his word says.

A Calvinist is a robot.
If you're born of God's seed it means you're God.

No one was predestined to believe.
Show where the scripture states this.

God loved me first in my spirit,

Agreed.

His Love is irresistible

No. God's love can be resisted.
If it cannot,,,,then your love for Him IS NOT FREE.

,its gets deeper and deeper, in my spirit..as we are his spirit children.,he loves us from within our spirit..all day every day.

Agreed.

Supernatural faith from God...just keeps on growing...the Spirit is Alive in our spirit..

What's the difference between
FAITH
REAL FAITH
SUPERNATURAL FAITH

Do you know the Love Of God in your heart..by what means would you know that God Loves you @GodsGrace ..simple enough question to ask you?

Pretty simple answer also.

How do you know God loves you?
Maybe He's just making believe...
This is what John Calvin taught:

The Institutes of the Christian Religion
John Calvin
Book 3
Chapter 24
Paragraph 8

that there are two species of calling: for there is an universal call, by which God, through the external preaching of the word, invites all men alike, even those for whom he designs the call to be a savor of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation. Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he enlightens only for a time, and whom afterwards, in just punishment for their ingratitude, he abandons and smites with greater blindness.


Read it very well RJ.
Doesn't sound like a very nice God to me.

And you still need to explain BELIEVE and REALLY BELIEVE.
What's the difference?

 

[St. SteVen]

Also, this is going to derail this thread so....

I'm a bit off topic too.
But I would like to see you two be less combative. Thanks.

Let's have a constructive discussion.

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[St. SteVen]

Let me show you how to think about this.

That's where I stopped reading.

I put posters on IGNORE when there is no value in talking to them.
And when they finally settle down I give them another chance.

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[GodsGrace]

I'm familiar with that argument.
If it's REALLY free, it cost you nothing.

SS....nothing is free.
Salvation is free in the sense that we cannot work for it.
We can do good works all day long forever and without acknowledging God it would be useless.
This is because God demands that we have faith in Him and that we love Him.
He first loved us,,,,and we need to love Him back so He can acknowledge us and acknowledge our love for Him.

1 John 4:16
So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

and the other side is
John 3:16
WHOEVER BELIEVES in the Son will be saved.

God first loved us.
We must love Him back.

This is a condition.
The gift is free....it cannot be worked for...it is by grace.

Clear to me.
Not from yourselves = no conditions (so that no one can boast)

Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

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Not by works.
Exactly.
BUT
We DO need to have faith....
faith is belief in something...
We must believe and have faith in God.

IOW,,,what I don't understand is this:
If everyone is going to be saved....
why even offer a gift? (however you want to describe it).

And you didn't reply to the other questions.
What is this restoring you speak of?

Paul said it is appointed for man to die once....
and then comes the judgement.
He didn't say restoration...

We have to be restored in THIS LIFE....
Jesus said He knocks and it's up to us to open the door.
I can't remember anywhere in the NT where it states that we'll have a second chance.
OR...be saved no matter what.

Does universalism believe that Hitler is saved?
(sorry, but I wanted to be extreme).

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm a bit off topic too.
But I would like to see you two be less combative. Thanks.

Let's have a constructive discussion.

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It's not combative....
but I do believe it's very derailing...
I like the convo I'm having with you...

 

[Behold]

That's where I stopped reading.

I put posters on IGNORE when there is no value in talking to them.
And when they finally settle down I give them another chance.

Your post reflects the fact that you can't actually offer any type of theologically rational reply to what ive been posting to you.
This is typical, of the last 2 yrs...

So, what else can you say?, what else can you do,?

Just know this..... the Theology you teach, is one of the more simple minded heresies.. and its one of the easiest to expose and correct.
See, Even a person who is saved for 16 seconds, knows that Hell exists, and understands that if the person is not born again, on earth, they are not going to Heaven, after they die, as a Child of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

II read it.
Did YOU read what I asked you?
Do you have a reply?

It said we were given the gift to believe?

So you're saying we have to be born again FIRST and THEN we can believe?
Where does it state this in the NT?

We must be Born Of God’s seed to believe in our heart?..Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Show me where you can believe, without the Holy Spirit?..no one can say Jesus is Jesus, except by the Spirit?

Also, this is going to derail this thread so....

We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God?

What's the difference between BEING BORN
and being BIRTHED?

They are the same.

Do you think YOU had the baby
or
The dr that pulled him out?

What has this got to do with the spiritual rebirth?

That's right.
But it's JESUS that is the imperishable seed. The WORD of God.
WE are not seeds, but that which the seed produces.

The Holy Spirit is the imperishable seed that we are Born Again of...who indwells your spirit?

1 Peter 1:22-23
22Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart,
23for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.


1. The above states that WE OURSELVES have purified our souls (for a sincere love of the brethren).
WE have purified OUR SOULS.....

, it says we have been Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.

Liveth and abideth where?

Do you understand that WE must do some things to belong to the Kingdom?

Sorry, we do nothing...

2. The above states that THE LIVING WORD is the imperishable seed.
I understand this to be Jesus. In any case...WE are not the imperishable seed.

Already explained.

You haven't explained the difference between FAITH and REAL FAITH.
Maybe you could go back, read my post, and then reply.

Did I say real faith, where did I say that?

Where does it say I can't freely believe in God?
Do I have to post again the tens of verses that state that we are TO SEEK GOD?

You are posting scripture, anyone can do that....I asked you how can you know that God is real, by what means?

Matthew 6:33​

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Hebrews 11:6​

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

1 Chronicles 16:11​

Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

Proverbs 8:17​

I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.

Jeremiah 29:13​

You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

There are plenty more.
God COMMANDS US TO SEEK HIM.
YOUR theology teaches that man is UNABLE to seek God.

How do you seek God?
What does God say about the natural man?

It directly goes AGAINST scripture.

What goes against scripture?

Agreed.

Maybe another day on another thread.
We're derailing this thread too much.

I’m answering your post.

Although it does have to do with God's FREE GIFT of love.

Which is what?..how do you know x 6 that God loves you?

Ritajanice,,,,if you don't know how to love someone freely, I'm afraid no one here will be able to help you.

I asked you how you would know how to love God freely?

How do you know that God exists?

Does someone hold a gun to your head and tell you to love him...
or do you love him from your own FREE WILL?

Calvinism teaches that you DO NOT love God freely.
It teaches that God forces you to love Him.
You said you believe in irrisiteble grace.
That means God forces you to love Him.

Once again I ask how would you know how to love God?

A Calvinist is a robot.
If you're born of God's seed it means you're God.

It means we have been birthed by the Holy Spirit..he is Gods seed, who penetrates our spirit and has taken up residence there...the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?

No one was predestined to believe.
Show where the scripture states this.

Already have, you deny it and say it’s saying something else.

Agreed.


No. God's love can be resisted.
If it cannot,,,,then your love for Him IS NOT FREE.

So tell me, how do you know God’s love can be resisted?

How do you know it’s Gods love?

Agreed.

What's the difference between
FAITH
REAL FAITH
SUPERNATURAL FAITH

Supernatural faith is a gift from God, when he births our spirit into his..

How do you know God loves you?
Maybe He's just making believe...
This is what John Calvin taught:

That’s the question I asked you many times, to which you never give an answer.

The Institutes of the Christian Religion
John Calvin
Book 3
Chapter 24
Paragraph 8

that there are two species of calling: for there is an universal call, by which God, through the external preaching of the word, invites all men alike, even those for whom he designs the call to be a savor of death, and the ground of a severer condemnation. Besides this there is a special call which, for the most part, God bestows on believers only, when by the internal illumination of the Spirit he causes the word preached to take deep root in their hearts. Sometimes, however, he communicates it also to those whom he enlightens only for a time, and whom afterwards, in just punishment for their ingratitude, he abandons and smites with greater blindness.

God says you must be Born Again, none of this is Biblical.

Read it very well RJ.
Doesn't sound like a very nice God to me.

And you still need to explain BELIEVE and REALLY BELIEVE.
What's the difference?

Where did I say really believe?

I said we believe in our heart, the moment our spirit is Born Again.

Sadly, you have evaded all of my questions.you always come back with another question..a one way discussion I’m afraid...your one way,sad.