Soul vs SPIRIT

[Behold]

This makes sense.....Amen!..imo.

Yes..

We are all ministers of the Gospel.
We are all to tell the world about JESUS, so that that they can BELIEVE....by faith.

All the born again are the "preachers of the Truth that is the Gospel of the Grace of God"..
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KJ21
How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

ASV
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

AMP
But how will people call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how will they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher (messenger)?

AMPC
But how are people to call upon Him Whom they have not believed [in Whom they have no faith, on Whom they have no reliance]? And how are they to believe in Him [adhere to, trust in, and rely upon Him] of Whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher?

BRG
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

CSB
How, then, can they call on him they have not believed in? And how can they believe without hearing about him? And how can they hear without a preacher?

 

[rwb]

Just for giggles, are you a Calvinist? I'm not; I just know the Scriptures and am on your side regarding Romans 10:17. What the mean guy should know is that Calvinists believe they are filled with the Spirit, actually saved, BEFORE they can believe in Christ - pure heresy.

I do not promote the doctrine of John Calvin. I support and defend Biblical doctrine. But I often find that when doctrinal differences (and there are many) cannot be defended, some will resort to libeling and labeling to deflect away attention that may prove the doctrines we've embraced come from what we have been taught rather than what we have learned. Why else would one label our doctrine according to what we've been taught unless they are guilty of following the doctrines of man that they accuse of others?

I believe the grace of God that blossoms into faith, or the ability to believe the Gospel is supernatural, and those who have this faith repent and turn to Christ for eternal life. The act of salvation is of grace alone through faith alone, but when man responds with repentance, that faith, that came by God's grace is ours, and we will keep it to our final breath. So, you see how the grace of God and the responsibility of man to repent and believe are closely intertwined, because it is only through repentance that we know we have changed and understand we have been saved, are being saved, and shall finally be saved as we live this life in reliance and strength through His Holy Spirit in us. For He has promised that He (through His Spirit in us) shall be with us to the end of the age. He will never leave nor forsake us.

 

[rwb]

Here is man.

"tri-part".

Mind
Body
Soul

The mind is not the Spirit.
The soul is not the spirit
The body is not the mind
The body is not the spirit

That is your doctrinal understanding of mankind. But Scripture disagrees with you. Man is created with physical body + spirit (breath of life) and together the two became living souls. Where is your biblical proof texts that mankind is a tri-part being?

 

[Ritajanice]

As the word of God says and in agreement with you.​

IF you read my Thread, or any of my posts to you, i keep telling you that the soul, is the "mind, will, and emotions"..

See, man it Tri-part.....He is 3

Body
Soul
Spirit

You are a Spirit
You have a soul
You live in a body

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1 Thessalonians 5:23​

23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit andsoul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Online source.

the soul is the spiritual essence of a person, which includes one's identity, personality, and memories

 

[rwb]

As the word of God says and in agreement with you.​

IF you read my Thread, or any of my posts to you, i keep telling you that the soul, is the "mind, will, and emotions"..

See, man it Tri-part.....He is 3

Body
Soul
Spirit

You are a Spirit
You have a soul
You live in a body

​

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1 Thessalonians 5:23​

23 Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit andsoul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Online source.

the soul is the spiritual essence of a person, which includes one's identity, personality, and memories

For about the umpteenth time now, man is outer physical body + inner spirit and together they are "living souls."

I've already given my understanding of the verse you quote. Paul is in essence saying that he prays that the God of peace will sanctify (to be made holy) you WHOLLY/COMPLETELY that your WHOLE inner spirit which is mind/heart/will/emotions, AND body, that is that you will not succumb to the desires of YOUR flesh, to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Here is man.

"tri-part".

Mind
Body
Soul

The mind is not the Spirit.
The soul is not the spirit
The body is not the mind
The body is not the spirit

So you believe we don't have a spirit. What is interesting is you and I believe alike here, except I know that the mind is the spirit. It is our consciousness of knowledge that we take to heaven with us - our spirit. It and our soul - our conscience of right and wrong where the laws of God are written, and our spirit that are born again of the Spirit.

BTW, if you don't like being called mean, then stop saying things like "nonsense!" to my opinions.

 

[Behold]

So you believe we don't have a spirit.

I didnt say that.

Why do you post such nonsense?

Let me just quote my Thread's topic that you are on that you never read, as usual.


1.) Man is "body, soul, and Spirit" = 3

He is "tri-part", exactly as God is Triune. or 3 in One.

God said.. "let US make man in OUR image", and this is 3, including the Holy Spirit.

So, a 3 in One Godhead, created a Tri-part Adam, who is "body, soul, Spirit".

What is that?

2 ) It means, you are a Spirit, you have a soul, and you live in a body.

What is the soul?

The soul is the : "mind, will, and emotions".

What is the Spirit" ?

The Sprit is the real you, that has to be born again.
The Spirit is what goes to HELL if its not born again.
The born again Spirit is the "Son/Daughter" of God, that is the "new creation in Christ".

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Why do you post such nonsense?

There you go again.

 

[Behold]

There you go again.

So you believe we don't have a spirit.

I didnt say that.

Why do you post such nonsense?

Let me just quote my Thread's topic that you are on that you never read, as usual.


1.) Man is "body, soul, and Spirit" = 3

He is "tri-part", exactly as God is Triune. or 3 in One.

God said.. "let US make man in OUR image", and this is 3, including the Holy Spirit.

So, a 3 in One Godhead, created a Tri-part Adam, who is "body, soul, Spirit".

What is that?

2 ) It means, you are a Spirit, you have a soul, and you live in a body.

What is the soul?

The soul is the : "mind, will, and emotions".

What is the Spirit" ?

The Sprit is the real you, that has to be born again.
The Spirit is what goes to HELL if its not born again.
The born again Spirit is the "Son/Daughter" of God, that is the "new creation in Christ".

 

[Ritajanice]

Our spirit is housed in our body....that is what becomes Born Again, by the power of God’s Holy Spirit.

He does not birth our minds.....when he testifies with our spirit that we are his children, it’s relayed to the mind as he’s indwelling our spirit.

God’s word doesn’t live in the mind..he lives in our spirit.

Our body houses the spirit....then when we die, the body goes back into the ground.

Our spirit who is Born Again....who has the Holy Spirit in it.....The Spirit will take our spirit back to the Father on our body death.

Very simple for me to understand....my opinion.

We are to Honour God with our bodies.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20​

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

 

[DJT_47]

A short discourse on this subject previously posted

First of all, what is the soul? Some equate it with the spirit, but that's not correct. Some think that God gives you a soul which is also not correct. See below repost of mine.

The bible says you become a living soul; you are not given one as some people erroneously believe. God does not hand-out souls. The bible also states that the soul is not the spirit, also as some erroneously believe, and that they can be divided.The bible says that souls came out of the loins of Jacob. The bible also says that God has a soul.


Here's what the bible says regarding the soul. (Pertinent scriptures)

Gen2:7 KJV

"7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The interlinear Hebrew says "being" (lenepes) not soul

Exodus 1:5 KJV

"And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already."

Souls are in your loins according to this scripture. Here, the interlinear does say "soul" in Hebrew and not "being". Two different Hebrew words; napes or nepes for souls vs. lenepes

And finally, Hebrews 4:12 KJV

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

The interlinear Greek is "phyches" for soul and "pneumatos" for spirit

 

[JBO]

No, as I've shown believing anything is naturally possible. But faith to believe in Christ comes supernaturally when we hear the Gospel according to grace through faith, and the power of the Holy Spirit. Before this ability to believe comes to natural man supernaturally, he/she is "dead in trespasses and sins", thereby being unable to respond with faith that eternally, spiritually saves us. This comes not from Calvin, but from the Word of God.

"faith to believe in Christ" is a completely irrational concept. To have faith is to believe in Christ. That is what faith is. In Greek they are the same word πίστις [pistis].

 

[Ritajanice]

Faith to believe....comes from God....it’s a supernatural act.....man alone has no faith to believe in Jesus.....only the Father through his Holy Spirit can permit salvation.....man imo ,has no authority or capability to birth himself into Christ....impossible.

The precious act of becoming a son/ daughter of God, can only come through Jesus, God even brings us to believe in the Name of Jesus.

Note!....I did NOT say God believe for us...I said he draws us to his Son, and he brings us to belief.....that has been my belief and testimony for the past 31 years....

When we have received that seed of faith from God.....it then germinates and starts the process of growing and maturing......it’s the Holy Spirit in us....he is the teacher and leader....and because we have been Born of God....our new nature/ relationship has begun........

It’s a walk of much hardship, wonder, joy, sorrow, and suffering, it’s not a bed of roses....but.....He and only he can bing us to a place of rest.

Praise God, I am in that place of rest......after all those trials and tribulations that I was met with......without the Holy Spirit leading and guiding me, teaching the truth in his living word.

I WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH THEM.......all Praise and Glory goes to God....for I am NOTHING, just a dead empty vessel without HIM.

My testimony and belief/ opinion.

 

[JBO]

A short discourse on this subject previously

First of all, what is the soul? Some equate it with the spirit, but that's not correct. Some think that God gives you a soul which is also not correct. See below repost of mine.

The bible says you become a living soul; you are not given one as some people erroneously believe. God does not hand-out souls. The bible also states that the soul is not the spirit, also as some erroneously believe, and that they can be divided.The bible says that souls came out of the loins of Jacob. The bible also says that God has a soul.


Here's what the bible says regarding the soul. (Pertinent scriptures)

Gen2:7 KJV

"7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

The interlinear Hebrew says "being" (lenepes) not soul

Exodus 1:5 KJV

"And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already."

Souls are in your loins according to this scripture. Here, the interlinear does say "soul" in Hebrew and not "being". Two different Hebrew words; napes or nepes for souls vs. lenepes

And finally, Hebrews 4:12 KJV

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."

The interlinear Greek is "phyches" for soul and "pneumatos" for spirit

Going back to the very beginning with the Genesis creation, in verse 20 of chapter 1 we read "And God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens." The word "creature" is translated from the Hebrew word "nephesh". That word creature from "nephesh" appears in (1:20,21,24; 2:19).

Then in Verse 7 in chapter 2 we read, " then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." Again, the word "creature" is from the Hebrew word "nephesh".

I have used the ESV for the above quotes from Genesis. If you look to other translations, such as the ASV or the KJV you will find "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." The Hebrew word "nephesh" there is translated "soul".

You will find that the word "nephesh" is routinely translated as "soul". It is not limited to a human being. It simply means a breathing creature, an animal, a beast, It does seem to be limited to a "blooded" animal, but I can't substantiate that. At any rate, in the OT Hebrew soul applies to animals generally.

On the other hand, the word for "spirit" in the OT comes from the Hebrew word "ruach" meaning, breath, wind, air, spirit. It turns out that in the OT, when speaking of the human being, "soul" and "spirit" are very nearly used interchangeably. The same is true in the NT, that is, the soul and the spirit are, when speaking of the human being, used almost always interchangeably.

Now given that the word "soul" is the same as creature, the I believe the correct concept is that the human being is a soul, it has a body and spirit. And with speaking of the human being, both the OT and the NT almost always use "soul" and "spirit" interchangeably.

 

[rwb]

"faith to believe in Christ" is a completely irrational concept. To have faith is to believe in Christ. That is what faith is. In Greek they are the same word πίστις [pistis].

But even the devils believe! But does their believing saving faith in Christ for eternal life? No! We believe many things, or we could say we have faith in many things, but faith to believe in Christ for eternal life is a supernatural act of the Holy Spirit.

Faith is a noun, that is something done within us, not coming from us. (noun defines person, place or thing)

Believe/believing is a verb, that is what we do through supernatural saving faith. (verb defines action, state or occurrence)

 

[rwb]

Going back to the very beginning with the Genesis creation, in verse 20 of chapter 1 we read "And God said, "Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the heavens." The word "creature" is translated from the Hebrew word "nephesh". That word creature from "nephesh" appears in (1:20,21,24; 2:19).

Then in Verse 7 in chapter 2 we read, " then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature." Again, the word "creature" is from the Hebrew word "nephesh".

I have used the ESV for the above quotes from Genesis. If you look to other translations, such as the ASV or the KJV you will find "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." The Hebrew word "nephesh" there is translated "soul".

You will find that the word "nephesh" is routinely translated as "soul". It is not limited to a human being. It simply means a breathing creature, an animal, a beast, It does seem to be limited to a "blooded" animal, but I can't substantiate that. At any rate, in the OT Hebrew soul applies to animals generally.

On the other hand, the word for "spirit" in the OT comes from the Hebrew word "ruach" meaning, breath, wind, air, spirit. It turns out that in the OT, when speaking of the human being, "soul" and "spirit" are very nearly used interchangeably. The same is true in the NT, that is, the soul and the spirit are, when speaking of the human being, used almost always interchangeably.

Now given that the word "soul" is the same as creature, the I believe the correct concept is that the human being is a soul, it has a body and spirit. And with speaking of the human being, both the OT and the NT almost always use "soul" and "spirit" interchangeably.

I agree mostly, you've shown a good example of "nephesh". It is used to describe every living, breathing thing upon the earth. Everything having a breath is defined as either living creature or living soul.

Soul defines the whole living breathing creature that is body + spirit. The body of course is the outer living creature composed of flesh and blood, and spirit is the breath of life that gives life mentally to every living breathing creature. Mankind alone, was created in the likeness and image of God, and in the beginning possessed divine inspiration; intellect, called soul/spirit. Other living breathing creatures also have the breath of life, but only mankind possessed divine inspiration, and intellect above every other living, breathing creature. That was not only so mankind would be able to communicate with God, but also so mankind could subdue the earth, having dominion over every living creature upon the earth. (Gen 1:28)

When the Bible uses the word "living soul" it defines something that is physically and mentally alive upon the earth. But Scripture also writes of "living souls" that are in heaven. Soul in that instance defines the spirit in man alive after physical death because that spirit left the body at death and ascended through Christ's living Spirit in them to heaven.

Even though it seems the Bible uses both 'soul' and 'spirit' interchangeably, I believe it causes confusion when we get them mixed up. Soul is what mankind and every other living breathing creature is when they possess the spirit (breath of life) that came from God and returns to Him when our physical body dies.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[JBO]

But even the devils believe! But does their believing saving faith in Christ for eternal life? No! We believe many things, or we could say we have faith in many things, but faith to believe in Christ for eternal life is a supernatural act of the Holy Spirit.

Faith is a noun, that is something done within us, not coming from us. (noun defines person, place or thing)

Believe/believing is a verb, that is what we do through supernatural saving faith. (verb defines action, state or occurrence)Yes

Yes, "faith" is a noun. The Greek noun corresponding to faith is πίστις [pistis] and means assurance, belief, faith, fidelity. We have, in English, the two words faith and belief as nouns. The Greek does not. There is only the single word πίστις [pistis]. The verb form in Greek is πιστεύω [pisteuō] meaning to believe. In the Greek just as in English, there is a distinction between believe and believe in. One can believe something or someone and one can believe in something or someone. Believing something of someone can be simply mental assent. Believing in something or someone is mental assent plus trust. Faith is more than simply belief. It is belief in. It is mental assent plus trust. Very often in Greek you will see "pisteuō en" or "pisteuō eis" meaning to believe in or having faith

Often in both Greek and English, if the meaning is obviously "believing in" or having faith, the en or the eis or epi may be missing just as it often is in English.

But faith is not something done with us. To have faith is the verb form. There is no distinction between the noun form "faith" and "belief in". There is no distinction between the verb form "having faith" and "believing in" In your reference that devils believe, yes they do believe there is a God, but they to not believe in in God. They do not place their trust in God.

In no case is any of that having anything to do with the supernatural.

I will stop there.

 

[JBO]

Soul defines the whole living breathing creature that is body + spirit.

Only for the human being. Soul for animals defines only the body, there is no spirit as in the spirit of man.

 

[Behold]

But even the devils believe! But does their believing saving faith in Christ for eternal life?

Let me help you with your understanding..

"Man" is made in the Image of God, and Angels are not.

So, the situation with Mankind, is that Salvation is only for "man"

This is why a virgin born Man, who is the 2nd ADAM, was offered for the sin of mankind.

Angles are not "man-klnd"..

ADAM is not a fallen angel, and Lucifer is not a fallen MAN.

Understand?

Notice, @rwb ..... .when Satan who is not a MAN..... decided to SIN....... He was never given an opportunity later, to receive salvation.
This is because only MAN is given this Grace, as only MAN, is a specific "son of God"., "made in God's Image".

 

[Ritajanice]

This is because only MAN is given this Grace, as only MAN, is a specific "son of God"., "made in God's Image".

Hallelujah!!!..and Amen!!!...