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In the Greek, you can read it either way correctly. That's why looking to the other passage.
Much love!
In the KJV, you can only read it one way.
"The Greek" is a new excuse for modern day redefinitions.
Truth is, Psalm 22, over 1000 years before Jesus was born, shows intricate details of what God saw pertaining to His only begotten son's crucifixion.
Now, God visibly saw this detailed experience, not "predicted" it.....
22 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the Lord that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
......what Jesus was thinking and seeing as he was dying on a cross.
This is our lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Anyway, a man CANNOT be MADE to be the infinite God of the Bible. Jesus always existed as God.
I have thought about it. You don't have a clue.
You would rather believe that 100% of God's Spirit made Himself into a microscopic sperm cell to mate with a woman's egg cell, creating a God/man in 2 decades time?
No, God made everything through the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world, which God had the ability to interact with.
How many God's do you believe in? Do you even know? A man CANNOT be "MADE" the infinite God! You taught the Bible 40 years???
I hardly think so, myself, so we'll part ways on this one. It surprises me that someone wouldn't want to know how a passage was written in it's original language.
Koine Greek is an amazingly precise language, much more precise than English, due to the way it's put together. However, if you want to stick with a single English translation, I think the KJV is as good as you'll likely get your hands on.
Much love!
What does this mean to you, that Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world?
When did Jesus die? At the beginning of creation? Or about 2000 years ago?
I remember Lambert Dolphin, or maybe it was Ray Steadman, "6 Hours in Eternity", that Jesus' death was an "eternal" event, that there is an eternal moment that Jesus is on the cross, something like that, so that sins now are added to His suffering as we commit them.
Have you heard this teaching?
Much love!
So which is it? Is he truly God, eternally existent and omnipotent or only a man?
No.
QUOTE="Truther, post: 814388, member: 8451"]...
Is the Son a Holy Spirit??[/QUOTE]
No.
Obviously.
QUOTE="Truther, post: 814388, member: 8451"]...
Are each of these "persons", holy, and are they Spirits?
You have 3 holy Spirits in the Godhead.[/QUOTE]
No, you have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
No, he just has a glorified body.
As we would say in modern scientific terminology, the glorified body is not subject to the forces and laws of physics and chemistry...All creation is held in existence by God. Obviously, a glorified body has living powers that an unglorified body does not have. Glorified bodies are incorruptible (incapable of decay) and impassible (incapable of suffering).
Jesus can certainly appear in light and still have a body.
It sounds like he's describing a god that's not really a god. The True God does not become God. He is God. "I AM".
Much love!
1 God...and a man....
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
It's really easy.
Never heard it.
Here is what I think.
God alone is eternal(timeless).
God created time, which he is not bound by.
God saw the end of everything He created, even our conversation(also pre-knew Judas, Jeremiah etc).
This God that TRANSCENDS time, also knew His only begotten human son before even making the worlds.
I read about the MAN Christ Jesus in God's eternal world, interacting with him pre-birth(like Psalm 2 and Psalm 22).
I see the MAN Christ Jesus in Gen 1 as Adam is created in the man Christ Jesus' image(body, soul and human spirit).
I see the MAN Christ Jesus in the fiery furnace too.
The God you just described is completely housed(encapsulated) inside the man, qualifying the man as God....
“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
No.
Obviously.
QUOTE="Truther, post: 814388, member: 8451"]...
Are each of these "persons", holy, and are they Spirits?
You have 3 holy Spirits in the Godhead.[/QUOTE]
No, you have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.[/QUOTE]
Wow, the Father is NOT holy, and NOT a Spirit?
The Son is NOT holy and NOT a Spirit?
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