Secure Eternal Salvation

[theefaith]

I agree, but the point is the Catholic church is broken up into competing doctrinal beliefs just like the Protestants. And yet your claim to fame is you are not.

new have unity of the spirit too

 

[BreadOfLife]

And your still wrong. I am not against any church. But if you think everyone who disagrees with you is just anti catholic. You have lost all ability to have any conversation.

People who simply “disagree” are NOT anti-Catholic.

Those who bend the truth, pervert Scripture or history - or otherwise lie to make their points against the Church ARE anti-Catholic.

And your still wrong. I am not against any church. But if you think everyone who disagrees with you is just anti catholic. You have lost all ability to have any conversation.
Your right he did not leave the church.

You just assume your church is that church.
I don’t assume anything. I look to the word for truth.

Again, you listen to men.
And again, Eternity is to long for me to do that.. If you feel secure. Well thats on you.

But I do not know how you can have hope. Your salvation is not secure if you are saved.. In your view anyway

I don’t “assume” – I KNOW that the Catholic Church is the Church built by Jesus.

He only built ONE Church and prayed for the unity of that ONE Church. The Apostles taight that this ONE Church should be united in thought, practice and doctrine – not tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects ALL teaching different doctrines based on the different whims of bickering mere men some 1500 years later.

YOUR church is based on the whims of one of these men or one of their successors.

MY Church is the oner described here by 1st century Bishop, Ignatius of Antioch, whop was a student of the Apostle John – and wrote this while John was still presumable alive:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

And you keep accusing ME of “listening to men” – yet it is YOU who is guilty of this.

The 2 main pillars of your Protestant beliefs are Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) and Sola Fide (Faith Alone).
NEITHER of these doctrines were taught by the Church for 1500 years. The Apostles didn’t teach it and neither does Scripture. They are completely MAN-MADE inventions – yet YOU adhere to them.

The OT Canon of Scripture that YOU adhere to was decided on by Martin Luther and NOT the Church led by the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15).

 

[BreadOfLife]

You can't evade the obvious truth. Your Catholic church is divided up into denominations, too, lol.

And your posts just keep on increasing in their ignorance . . .

NONE of the sects that you posted are part of the Catholic Church.
They're Protestant sects - like the ones YOU follow. Every one of them broke AWAY from the Catholic Church in protest.

This is the textbook definition of "Protestant", Einstein . . .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

People who simply “disagree” are NOT anti-Catholic.

Those who bend the truth, pervert Scripture or history - or otherwise lie to make their points against the Church ARE anti-Catholic.

Well I have done neither so. Instead you wish to falsly accuse me. I would back off now.

I don’t “assume” – I KNOW that the Catholic Church is the Church built by Jesus.

He only built ONE Church and prayed for the unity of that ONE Church. The Apostles taight that this ONE Church should be united in thought, practice and doctrine – not tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects ALL teaching different doctrines based on the different whims of bickering mere men some 1500 years later.

YOUR church is based on the whims of one of these men or one of their successors.

MY Church is the oner described here by 1st century Bishop, Ignatius of Antioch, whop was a student of the Apostle John – and wrote this while John was still presumable alive:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

And you keep accusing ME of “listening to men” – yet it is YOU who is guilty of this.

The 2 main pillars of your Protestant beliefs are Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) and Sola Fide (Faith Alone).
NEITHER of these doctrines were taught by the Church for 1500 years. The Apostles didn’t teach it and neither does Scripture. They are completely MAN-MADE inventions – yet YOU adhere to them.

The OT Canon of Scripture that YOU adhere to was decided on by Martin Luther and NOT the Church led by the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15).

If your church was built by Christ, it would teach what Christ did. And they would at least resemble the NT church as found in acts and the epistles.

I do not see that. in fact most churches I have been to and witness look nothing like the NT church. not only in appearance. but sadly. even many doctrines.

I do not follow Luther my friend, I follow what I see in the word. I trust no man, or any denomination.

The bible teaches faith alone. You do not like it. Thats no my fault.

Not of works lest anyone should boast

If it is grace, it is not of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace

If abraham was found by works, he has something to boast about but no before God. for what does the word say, Abraham believed God and God credit him as righteous (faith alone). Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

not by works of righteousness (good works) which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us by the washing and renewal of the spirit

He who believes is not condemned , He who does not believe is condemned already

He who believes will never perish, but live forever


Now you can have a bible which contradicts. Or you can Take God at his word, I chose to take God at his word, no matter what any denomination says.

 

[TEXBOW]

People who simply “disagree” are NOT anti-Catholic.

Those who bend the truth, pervert Scripture or history - or otherwise lie to make their points against the Church ARE anti-Catholic.

I don’t “assume” – I KNOW that the Catholic Church is the Church built by Jesus.

He only built ONE Church and prayed for the unity of that ONE Church. The Apostles taight that this ONE Church should be united in thought, practice and doctrine – not tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering sects ALL teaching different doctrines based on the different whims of bickering mere men some 1500 years later.

YOUR church is based on the whims of one of these men or one of their successors.

MY Church is the oner described here by 1st century Bishop, Ignatius of Antioch, whop was a student of the Apostle John – and wrote this while John was still presumable alive:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole EUCHARIST you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

And you keep accusing ME of “listening to men” – yet it is YOU who is guilty of this.

The 2 main pillars of your Protestant beliefs are Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) and Sola Fide (Faith Alone).
NEITHER of these doctrines were taught by the Church for 1500 years. The Apostles didn’t teach it and neither does Scripture. They are completely MAN-MADE inventions – yet YOU adhere to them.

The OT Canon of Scripture that YOU adhere to was decided on by Martin Luther and NOT the Church led by the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15).

The Hersey and false teachings from the Roman Catholic Church were in their infant stage in 110 AD. It was later that the RCC fell from the truth. If you desire to look at historical facts concerning the behavior of the Catholic Church you will be disappointed. You and I both know that during the dark ages the RCC was persecuting Christians desperately trying to retain political power and their position of greed. Christians started escaping the strong arm of the RCC Church and the leadership did everything possible to destroy those in support of the reformation. I could fill this thread will numerous factual records of crimes committed by the "one true Church". Murder, thief, pedophiles, and more abuses than I have time to list. I really do not think you want to compare the Reformers with your Church's history.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And your posts just keep on increasing in their ignorance . . .

NONE of the sects that you posted are part of the Catholic Church.
They're Protestant sects - like the ones YOU follow. Every one of them broke AWAY from the Catholic Church in protest.

This is the textbook definition of "Protestant", Einstein . . .

And of course, none of these break away Catholic churches claim to be the one true original Catholic church, right? Lol, this is priceless.

 

[theefaith]

And of course, none of these break away Catholic churches claim to be the one true original Catholic church, right? Lol, this is priceless.

since when do break away heretics matter?

If a leg is removed from the body it dies, life remains in the body!

 

[theefaith]

Well I have done neither so. Instead you wish to falsly accuse me. I would back off now.


If your church was built by Christ, it would teach what Christ did. And they would at least resemble the NT church as found in acts and the epistles.

I do not see that. in fact most churches I have been to and witness look nothing like the NT church. not only in appearance. but sadly. even many doctrines.

I do not follow Luther my friend, I follow what I see in the word. I trust no man, or any denomination.

The bible teaches faith alone. You do not like it. Thats no my fault.

Not of works lest anyone should boast

If it is grace, it is not of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace

If abraham was found by works, he has something to boast about but no before God. for what does the word say, Abraham believed God and God credit him as righteous (faith alone). Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

not by works of righteousness (good works) which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us by the washing and renewal of the spirit

He who believes is not condemned , He who does not believe is condemned already

He who believes will never perish, but live forever


Now you can have a bible which contradicts. Or you can Take God at his word, I chose to take God at his word, no matter what any denomination says.

not works alone!
Faith works in Christ thru grace!
(Prayer, virtues, fasting, alms, and penance are valid works) meritorious by grace
Without Christ and his church and his grace we can do nothing Jn 15:5
With Christ in his church by grace we can do all
So the glory is to God who is our provider

 

[Ferris Bueller]

since when do break away heretics matter?

If a leg is removed from the body it dies, life remains in the body!

You are deflecting, lol.
You Catholics claim you are not divided up in the confusion of many doctrinal beliefs.
Well, yes you are, lol!

 

[theefaith]

The Hersey and false teachings from the Roman Catholic Church were in their infant stage in 110 AD. It was later that the RCC fell from the truth. If you desire to look at historical facts concerning the behavior of the Catholic Church you will be disappointed. You and I both know that during the dark ages the RCC was persecuting Christians desperately trying to retain political power and their position of greed. Christians started escaping the strong arm of the RCC Church and the leadership did everything possible to destroy those in support of the reformation. I could fill this thread will numerous factual records of crimes committed by the "one true Church". Murder, thief, pedophiles, and more abuses than I have time to list. I really do not think you want to compare the Reformers with your Church's history.

Accusations nothing but accusations

just the facts please!

example: the Albigensian’s

 

[amigo de christo]

My friend? I have him on ignore. he is NOT my friend


I am not sure what this is supposed to do to help you.

If the church does not preach the word of God, It is not the true church, no matter how old it is.

The jewish priesthood were Gods people for 2000 years. When Christ came, they had no knowledge of the true word. which is why they failed to recognize christ.

so your history is meaningless to me. I trust the word. Not a bunch of men who claim to be something.

Again, If you want to listen to them, feel free.. Eternity is far to long for me to place mine into a bunch of men just because they claim to be the true church.

absolutely beautiful .

 

[theefaith]

You are deflecting, lol.
You Catholics claim you are not divided up in the confusion of many doctrinal beliefs.
Well, yes you are, lol!

you more errors than a dog has fleas

 

[amigo de christo]

Accusations nothing but accusations

just the facts please!

example: the Albigensian’s

ITS TRUE . TRUE . Its also true that there was wicked protestant leaders that also held to political power
and also persecuted catholics . STOP HEEDING THE LOST CHURCH and start learning for yourself .
The CC has long desired power and political influence , SADLY so has most the protestant realm as well .
LEARN my friend . Go back to the bible. I will mail you a real good bible if you send me your address .

 

[amigo de christo]

you more errors than a dog has fleas

What if the dog has a flea collar on and been dipped and taken a cerestero .
NO , its the CC that has more errors than a man has skin . BUT make no mistake so does most all
of the protestant realm .

 

[amigo de christo]

you more errors than a dog has fleas

Well over half the catholics follow pope francis . HECK yeah you all have divisions .
Look at the split alone over vactican two , look at the split over gay marriage .
While i know that is all evil , DONT pretend you dont have divisions .
ONLY the lambs follow JESUS . And as much as i love you , and desire no death for you , its why i warn you
as much as i do those even in the protestant realm , WE GOTTA GET BACK IN THE BIBLE and LEARN and FOLLOW that JESUS
and THOSE original apostels . Not men .

 

[theefaith]

ITS TRUE . TRUE . Its also true that there was wicked protestant leaders that also held to political power
and also persecuted catholics . STOP HEEDING THE LOST CHURCH and start learning for yourself .
The CC has long desired power and political influence , SADLY so has most the protestant realm as well .
LEARN my friend . Go back to the bible. I will mail you a real good bible if you send me your address .

Thanks but we must be taught by Christ thru his holy church

 

[amigo de christo]

Thanks but we must be taught by Christ thru his holy church

Well the CC sure aint HIS holy church .
But the last time i checked , we need to simply hear and beleive in the gospel . Yall been brain washed bad my friend . real bad .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

not works alone!
Faith works in Christ thru grace!
(Prayer, virtues, fasting, alms, and penance are valid works) meritorious by grace
Without Christ and his church and his grace we can do nothing Jn 15:5
With Christ in his church by grace we can do all
So the glory is to God who is our provider

Not by works period.

If it is of by works. then we are trying to earn salvation, It is not a gift. And we will all fail.

Because you can nto do enough works to make up for one sin. let alone all the sins you have ever committed.

The penalty of sin is death, Not obaying the law or obaying the catholic sacraments.

The gift of God is eternal life.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you more errors than a dog has fleas

You're in serious denial, lol.
You Catholics have your denominations too.
And I'm getting quite a chuckle out of it, lol.

 

[amigo de christo]

Not by works period.

If it is of by works. then we are trying to earn salvation, It is not a gift. And we will all fail.

Because you can nto do enough works to make up for one sin. let alone all the sins you have ever committed.

The penalty of sin is death, Not obaying the law or obaying the catholic sacraments.

The gift of God is eternal life.

here lets help explain this a bit more .
there simply is no man peroid , that can be justified by the law .
For all have sinned . ALL have .
IF i then try and justify myself by my acts , by the righteousness of the law , THEN by that same law i now stand
condemened . THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO BE JUSTIFIED , FAITH IN JESUS . FAITH IN JESUS . FAITH IN JESUS .
If our works are evil then our faith is dead .