Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

[Ronald Nolette]

What a stretch! Perhaps you've been so indoctrinated that you cannot even separate or question the almighty God is perfectly capable of expressing words without relying on his Son; that the Word of God is an attribute of God and not a person at all.

Also, you completely ignore how John 20:31 squares with your anti-Scriptural assertion. See the Sh'ma.

Well show the verse where it says the word is an attribute of God and nota real "entity"

so according to your reasonings John 1:1 should (if your thoughts are written out) "In teh beginning was Gods attribute, and Gods attribute was with God and Gods attribute was God!

Then John 1:14 should read "and gods attribut was made flesh and dwelt among us".

And rev. 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

Verse 13 should be called "an attribute of God and not a person!

WOW!!!!! This is so much of an allegorical reinterpretation of Gods word I can't even descibe how foolish it is.

 

[Wrangler]

Well show the verse where it says the word is an attribute of God and nota real "entity"

Words are not beings.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Words are not beings.

Well they must be to you. You said the word is simply an attribute of God ( a characteristic if you are using the standard definition) and the bible says the Word became flesh>

Jesus said He came down from Heaven and shared the glory of the Father! Do attributes even know they have glory???????

Paul under the inspiration of another of Gods attribute (the Holy spirit) says trhat Jesus existed in the form or likeness of God.

and the writer of Hebrews said this:

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Now granted I do not have the secret reinterpretation code book you have but looking at that wanting to know God- everyone else I know says that is a person!

And Just think!!!!! According to this verse- the attributer of God (the Word) is upholding all things by His own attribute (word) so an attribute has an attribute that upholds things! Truly mystifying!!!!!:

 

[Wrangler]

Well they must be to you. You said the word is simply an attribute of God ( a characteristic if you are using the standard definition) and the bible says the Word became flesh>

And trinitarians are deliberately confusing the word of God becoming flesh with God becoming flesh. When I sent my letter through the mail that is not the same thing as I went through the mail.

I know you realize this but it does not fit with your doctrine, so you have to go around it. Word. Being. Not the same.

 

[teamventure]

Wow! Trinitarians deliberately misinterpret unitarian text of the entire Bible, written by monotheist Jews who reject the trinity to this . Wow. Just wow!

When acts says God raised Jesus from the dead and selected him to judge the world, just how am I misinterpreting it?

Jesus won more authority at the cross but he was already divine.
Now I'm bowing out.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus won more authority at the cross but he was already divine.
Now I'm bowing out.

You should bow out as your replies are getting more and more absurd - even for a trinitarian.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Your argument is very convoluted. A Muslim could nat stay in Islam as a christian, it denies Christ as who He is and what He accomplished at Calvary. He may stay with His parents and such,

a Jw who believes Jesus rose in the body He died in will eventually have to leave or be disfellowshipped or hide his belief.

Paul still accepted Jewish law, but was not bound by it as a believer. And as gentiles converted to teh faith He told them they did not have to obey th e MOsaic Laws of which the ten commandments are part.

I commend people who wish to stay where they are at to try to rescue others, but eventually the conflict will grow so great they will have to either be killed or leave.

As Paul said all who will live godly in Christ will suffer persecution, and that is especially true of those who convert from non Christian religions.

Yes, some cannot.
Some although becoming Christian keep their native language to speak with family and friends in that community

@Ronald Nolette
Some people who give up their European citizenship to naturalize as US citizens
May still speak French or Italian and follow their cultural traditions.

Some may choose dual citizenship.

Some people may use English as their only language, some may use both.

The content of what we communicate is still the same truth.

The expression of it can change per audience.

We can still resolve the same conflicts we would have regardless if we argue in Japanese or Spanish.

I believe American English, Christian and Constitutional language is easiest and universal for most things.

But my mother who is Buddhist required a Vietnamese Buddhist monk to explain spiritual concepts using native language and teachings she was brought up to understand and respect.

She agreed to make changes after he explained it. But never agreed or understood the way I tried to explain it.

God will move mountains and bring the message to people but it isn't us controlling what the process looks like.

I learn to let God's love and wisdom speak the way people need tp hear and receive it.

Sorry if this isn't clear.
I have seen many friends come to the same understanding of God, but not express it the way I would expect.

God's love and truth is universal by definition.

There is only one Jesus who connects us with God.

The language we use can be relative.

What matters is the content and making sure we are on the same page. Christ allows us to connect in that spirit, regardless what language it takes.

 

[Wrangler]

A Muslim could nat stay in Islam as a christian

Agreed. :)

 

[Emily Nghiem]

True but besides the point, which is all Lords are below The One True LORD God, our Father.

I see it as we are to become like children in the Kingdom of God. His universal truth and love surrounds us and includes us in it.

God the Father is greater than all in order to be the source author or creator of all things.

Jesus the Son is God's Authority of Law, with the unique position of reconciling man with God.

As for @Ronald Nolette
Just because we express Jesus in spiritual laws differently from secular laws, doesn't make these two Lords over each branxh.

The same Jesus as God's Justice makes both laws true and fulfillled, even in church laws apply to church business and state laws apply to state business.
The Authority of Justice that Jesus embodies is the same, there is only one.

But when we resolve an issue between two people under Texas laws,or Buddhist teachings,or a Muslim family, when Jesus governs that relationship to make peace by agreeing in Christ or by conscience on God's truth. Each person in a different situation may use different language to settle the trespass.

God's truth and laws are universal.
But local language may be relative.

@Wrangler I agree with you that the Lord's Justice through Jesus governs all other laws.

It does not work to take man's religion laws or justice and think we can project and reconcile with God.
No. I think what you and I believe in common as Christians is that God's laws govern us through Christ Jesus authority alone.

Not the other way around.

 

[teamventure]

You should bow out as your replies are getting more and more absurd - even for a trinitarian.

God will have the final word

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Here some bible verses that sahow it was the blood and not the body needed for atonement. I am sure you will listen to the watchtower instead but I will give you the word of God without slick commentary like the WT does.

Hebrews 9:22 ESV /
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Leviticus 17:11 ESV /
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

Revelation 5:9 ESV /
And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,

Hebrews 9:14 ESV /
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Hebrews 9:12 ESV /
He entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

Romans 3:25 ESV /
Whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

Revelation 12:11 ESV /
And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

Hebrews 13:20 ESV /
Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,

Hebrews 10:29 ESV /
How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 9:11-12 ESV /
But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

Not once do you see body and blood for forgiveness. Nowhere in the bible does it say that!

When the bible does say Jesus gave up His body, it also says that He would not allow His holy one to see corruption.
but instead of accepting tehat fact along with the word resurrection (which means to stand AGAIN) and that Jesus said He would raise His body in three days- corrupt men with minds darkened by the devil have spun homemade tales of God destroying jesus body so that is why the tomb was empty and He became an invisible spirit creature that had to manufacture bodies to prove he wasn't dead (though if His body didn't rise along with WT teaching that man has no immortal soul- Jesus satyed dead)

Listent o god and not man made organizations.

Leviticus 17:11; Hebrew 9:12 The life that was in Jesus blood was human life.

Jesus was praying at the time of his baptism. The Bible records some of his significant words, as later quoted by the apostle Paul: “‘Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but you prepared a body for me. You did not approve of whole burnt offerings and sin offering.’ Then I said, ‘Look! I am come (in the roll of the book it is written about me) to do your will, O God.’”—Hebrews 10:5-7; Luke 3:21.

Jesus applied to himself the prophecy at Psalm 40:6-8, which foretold Jehovah’s purpose to bring an end to animal sacrifices offered by Aaronic priests at Jerusalem’s temple. Jehovah did not “delight” in those offerings, in that they were only typical and unable to atone completely for human sin. Hence, Jehovah prepared a perfect human body for Jesus to sacrifice a perfect human life because that perfect human life was in his human blood..
You can think that the Only Begotten Son of God coming as a human and thinking that human body is insignificant as you're trying to do but the scriptures are very explicit that it was a human life that was in Jesus blood and it was a human life that was sacrificed and whenever you're speaking of a human life you're including that body that was sacrificed.

 

[teamventure]

Agreed

Isaiah 9:6 says his name shall be called Mighty God verbatim, you said Jesus is not God verbatim.

Your whole argument destroyed with one simple scripture
Now I'll bow out.

 

[Curtis]

Did you hear the one about the dog who begat a cat?

How about the frog that begat a squirrel?

Impossible, you say?

Well how about the one where the Son begotten by God, isn’t God the Son?

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Isaiah 9:6 says his name shall be called Mighty God verbatim, you said Jesus is not God verbatim.

Your whole argument destroyed with one simple scripture
Now I'll bow out.

Yes Jesus shall be called God Almighty etc.
Just as being done here!

Am I the only one here who has NO ISSUE
with whether people say things differently regarding God and Jesus
as long as we agree we should resolve things in union
in the spirit of Christ Jesus to establish agreement on God's truth.

I feel I really have no argument with each person here,
but each person keeps arguing with me or others.

Whatever you are saying I feel is correct from your perspective.

I believe we all respect and seek the truth,
and if our different ways of saying it don't come across right to others
it is because of differences in words and perceptions because human
language and perceptions are limited and not perfect.

God's nature is greater than we can adequately define.
When we try, we are going to limit the full nature of God
so that someone coming from a slightly different angle may disagree.

God is greater than all these ways of expression.
I have faith that we as believers in Christ are talking about the
same God.

Talking about Jesus and Justice involves as many diverse ways of
appreciating all the ways God's Justice manifests to us through Jesus.

These are all God inseparable
but our human language and context seeks to distinguish the
different angles we see and experience of God one finite perspective at a time.

All one God. There is only one.
And there is only one Jesus the Son and Word of God,
also one with God inseparable and equally divine and perfect.
Just incarnated and embodied on the level of man
so we could experience God in relationship.

 

[Ziggy]

Am I the only one here who has NO ISSUE
with whether people say things differently regarding God and Jesus
as long as we agree we should resolve things in union
in the spirit of Christ Jesus to establish agreement on God's truth.

I feel I really have no argument with each person here,
but each person keeps arguing with me or others.

Whatever you are saying I feel is correct from your perspective.

I believe we all respect and seek the truth,
and if our different ways of saying it don't come across right to others
it is because of differences in words and perceptions because human
language and perceptions are limited and not perfect.

I have trouble finding the right words to express what I'm trying to say as well.
And a lot of times it's not heard the way I want it to sound.
So I find I have to keep explaining whatever it is in other ways.
I may use an example or a story, but it still gets misunderstood.
Sometimes it's better to walk away for awhile and come back to it later.

And everybody has their own way with words.
It takes a lot of patience this thing we call communication.
Always trying to understand where others are coming from and yet always feeling misunderstood ourselves.
And it could be that others feel misunderstood and they feel a need to clarify, which just keeps putting wood on the fire LOL

Sometimes it's easier just to agree to disagree until a time communication is better understood.
When I get frustrated, I just go start at the beginning. I repost the OP and try to come at it from another angle.
Not everyone will agree with everyone. And some people are just more direct and unbendable than others.
We are definately limited and not perfect in our speech.

That reminds me when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees.
Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Sometimes people just like to argue for the sake of arguing and aren't willing to listen or consider another's point of view.
When that happens, I just say thankyou for the conversation.. and I walk away and find another sandbox to play in.
There's plenty of those in a forum lol.
Don't get discouraged. The Lord knows what we're trying to say whether other people do or not.
And at some point someone may go.. aha.. now I see what your saying.. or not.
Curtesy comes to mind. Being respectful of others words. And friendly.

My Dad owned a furniture moving company. It was called ACF Transportion.
The legal name was His name and Family.
When a customer would ask what it stood for, we would always say:
ACF = Always Curteous and Friendly.
Some customers though put that name to the test.. a lot.
No matter how accomodating to their circumstance you tried to be, they just wasn't happy.
Made me wonder why they bothered buying furniture in the first place if they had such a hard time making arrangements to get it delivered.

Some topics are like that.
You start a topic hoping that it will be delivered and recieved in the condition you started it.
But there are always bumps in the road.
I can't be home that day, Could you get here sooner/later. That's not a good time.
I wanted it yesterday.
And then when you do agree on a place and time..
It doesn't fit right, it has a scratch in it, you got mud on my carpet.

and some folk so happy to recieve it they even gave you a tip :)

All I can suggest is, no matter how much you feel misunderstood, or you feel people are disagreeing at every turn,
try to remember..
Always Curteous and Friendly.
The only one we really need to impress in the end is the Lord himself.
Some customers just plain rude and obnoxious and others happy and content.
Just be you
:)

Hugs

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Here some bible verses that sahow it was the blood and not the body needed for atonement. I am sure you will listen to the watchtower instead but I will give you the word of God without slick commentary like the WT does.

Hebrews 9:22 ESV /
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Leviticus 17:11 ESV /
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

Revelation 5:9 ESV /
And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,

Hebrews 9:14 ESV /
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Hebrews 9:12 ESV /
He entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

Romans 3:25 ESV /
Whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

Revelation 12:11 ESV /
And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

Hebrews 13:20 ESV /
Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,

Hebrews 10:29 ESV /
How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 9:11-12 ESV /
But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

Not once do you see body and blood for forgiveness. Nowhere in the bible does it say that!

When the bible does say Jesus gave up His body, it also says that He would not allow His holy one to see corruption.
but instead of accepting tehat fact along with the word resurrection (which means to stand AGAIN) and that Jesus said He would raise His body in three days- corrupt men with minds darkened by the devil have spun homemade tales of God destroying jesus body so that is why the tomb was empty and He became an invisible spirit creature that had to manufacture bodies to prove he wasn't dead (though if His body didn't rise along with WT teaching that man has no immortal soul- Jesus satyed dead)

Listent o god and not man made organizations.

Leviticus 17:11 tell us that the life of the flesh is in the blood, this means that Jesus Christ human life was in his blood, Jesus sacrificed his human life for mankind.
Hebrews 10:1-10 shows us that Jesus offered his body as a offering so it was his human life which was in Jesus blood that he sacrificed. And yes God didn't allow his Only Begotten Sons body to see corruption, but that doesn't mean that Jesus took that human life back that he had willingly sacrificed and put on the altar.
When the scriptures talk of Jesus body not seeing corruption that means he would never be human again because all human beings are mortal and corruptible. Jesus was resurrected a immortal incorruptible spirit being not a human being who would be mortal and corruptible again.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Here some bible verses that sahow it was the blood and not the body needed for atonement. I am sure you will listen to the watchtower instead but I will give you the word of God without slick commentary like the WT does.

Hebrews 9:22 ESV /
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Leviticus 17:11 ESV /
For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

Revelation 5:9 ESV /
And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,

Hebrews 9:14 ESV /
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Hebrews 9:12 ESV /
He entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

Romans 3:25 ESV /
Whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

Revelation 12:11 ESV /
And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death.

Hebrews 13:20 ESV /
Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,

Hebrews 10:29 ESV /
How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

Hebrews 9:11-12 ESV /
But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

Not once do you see body and blood for forgiveness. Nowhere in the bible does it say that!

When the bible does say Jesus gave up His body, it also says that He would not allow His holy one to see corruption.
but instead of accepting tehat fact along with the word resurrection (which means to stand AGAIN) and that Jesus said He would raise His body in three days- corrupt men with minds darkened by the devil have spun homemade tales of God destroying jesus body so that is why the tomb was empty and He became an invisible spirit creature that had to manufacture bodies to prove he wasn't dead (though if His body didn't rise along with WT teaching that man has no immortal soul- Jesus satyed dead)

Listent o god and not man made organizations.

Leviticus 17:11 tell us that the life of the flesh is in the blood, this means that Jesus Christ human life was in his blood, Jesus sacrificed his human life for mankind.
Hebrews 10:1-10 shows us that Jesus offered his body as a offering so it was his human life which was in Jesus blood that he sacrificed. And yes God didn't allow his Only Begotten Sons body to see corruption, but that doesn't mean that Jesus took that human life back that he had willingly sacrificed and put on the altar, so Jesus didn't take that human body back because that would be taking that human life back. When the scriptures talk of Jesus body not seeing corruption that means he would never be human again because all human bodies are corruptible. Jesus was resurrected a immortal incorruptible spirit being not a human again.

 

[Emily Nghiem]

Leviticus 17:11 tell us that the life of the flesh is in the blood, this means that Jesus Christ human life was in his blood, Jesus sacrificed his human life for mankind.
Hebrews 10:1-10 shows us that Jesus offered his body as a offering so it was his human life which was in Jesus blood that he sacrificed. And yes God didn't allow his Only Begotten Sons body to see corruption, but that doesn't mean that Jesus took that human life back that he had willingly sacrificed and put on the altar.
When the scriptures talk of Jesus body not seeing corruption that means he would never be human again because all human beings are mortal and corruptible. Jesus was resurrected a immortal incorruptible spirit being not a human being who would be mortal and corruptible again.

Dear @BARNEY BRIGHT and @Ronald Nolette
I cannot quite follow all this depth and detail that doesn't change how I understand Jesus in simpler terms.

To be born without sin means Jesus did not carry any generational sins or conditions from mothers or fathers before Him that carry debts and biases on human conditions.

Because my parents came from Vietnamese Buddhist backgrounds, this generational sin condition was called "karma." But I later understood and finally made the connection in Christ that this "karma" is the term they used for "sins of the fathers revisited on the sons to the fourth and fifth generations" which Christians call generational "sins."

Jesus was born of God and free of any such "sins" that every other human has carried fr past generations born imperfect.

Jesus was and is perfect.

That is what it means not to be born carrying any of the influence or karma from the "original sin" that affects the rest of humanity by lineage.

As for differences with JW:
When it comes to renouncing and freeing people of generational sins, most people and most sins can be renounced and healed by our own free choice to follow God's laws instead.

However some of the deeper addictions, such as alcoholism from Native American genocide or the racial hostility from slavery genocide, require much deeper healing collectively.

These collective generational wounds, sins and especially curses can require the team prayers used by Christians to cast out demons and obstructions to healing.

JW do not believe in Christian spiritual healing. But are taught it is demonic or man trying to change dictate or control God's will instead of letting these sins or curses run their course and end after the fourth or fifth generation.

@Ronald Nolette if there was one place I ask your help to change how JW teach, it would be to prove Christian spiritual healing works by forgiveness which is Biblical (James 5:16 and Matthew 5:44) and is scientific like other treatments that can be medically established.

If regular science and medicine adopts spiritual healing as common knowledge and treatment, then JW can use it.

If it relies solely on Christian faith, they cannot use anything outside JW policy.

I know a secular gentile who married a JW and is best friends with a JW elder.

If we can please pray to bring this issue to JW elders and conduct medical studies, this spiritual healing will help JW save lives without blood procedures they cannot participate in either.

I believe Prince and Michael Jackson could have been saved if their addictions had been treated by spiritual healing. But their families had JW beliefs that exclude and deny this treatment.

Can we please pray. Thank you.
In the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit may God's truth be received and revealed. Amen!

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, we are certainly to have the mind of Christ as we do because he lives in us as the Father lives in his Son, the Christ for us.

And yes, Christ was in the form or mosaic outward appearance as his God, the Father, in mannerisms, voice, inflexions and actions and maybe in his gestures as a human being. Notice that if he was God, the Father he would not have to be in the form of God at all......

And our Christ, who was not God, the Father, never thought himself to be equal with his God, his Father. He instead as only a human being, yielded his own human spirit and will over to his God, the Father as a humble servant or slave, born as a man, although a special created (likeness of) man.

I see you ran away from the text he quoted so here it is with exegesis not eisegesis like you practice with nothing bot personal opinions.

Here lets begin with the syllogisms from the text in Philippians 2.

Just as the term “form of God” in verse six does not mean “less than God” because of the phrase “equality with God" in the prior passage.

It goes to reason in the same way with the 2 phrases in the “form of a servant” and in the “likeness of man” in verse seven do not mean that Jesus was any “less than human,” but instead means He was the same or “equal with all humans.”

That is how the passage reads and how it is to be understood in its " CONTEXT ".

He self-limited His divine prerogatives via the Incarnation as per Phil 2. In other words did not use them to His advantage but was in submission to the Father for 33 years to accomplish our salvation. All the FULLNESS of DEITY dwells in bodily form. Col 2:9. Jesus was and is fully God lacking nothing in His Deity. Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Even through Christ existed in the form of God He did not regard equality with God something that He needed to reach for or grasp. Why because it was already His and never gave that up for a millisecond.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

In Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily.” Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells(is present) bodily in Jesus.

ALL THE FULNESS OF DEITY= nothing absent, missing its the same FULNESS of the FATHER and HOLY SPIRIT- The Godhead.

Try to engage the text and exegete the passage rather than use eisegesis- reading your own thoughts and ideas into the text.

He shed His blood on the cross when all the Fulness of Deity was in Him bodily as the passage plainly SAYS in Colossians 1:19-20.

What Paul makes very clear in this passage is that in addition to being God, He became man. The Incarnation was not a subtraction of His deity but an addition of humanity to His nature. This passage does not say Jesus gave up His deity but that He laid aside His rights as Deity, assuming the form of a servant in verse 7. The text says He was in the form of God or being in the very nature of God in 2:6. Just as He took upon Himself the "form of a servant" which is a servant by nature, so the "form of God" is God by nature. The word "being" from the phrase: being in the very form of God is a present active participle. This means "continued existence" as God. What Paul is actually saying here is Jesus has always been and still is in the "form of God". If you continue reading the passage Paul really drives this point home so that his readers have no doubt what he is trying to get across to the Philippians. Paul says that every knee will bow and will one day Confess Jesus is LORD. Paul takes the passage in Isaiah 45:23 which clearly refers to Yahweh a name used for God alone and says this of Jesus. The fulfillment of YHWH in Isaiah 45 is none other than Jesus who is God(Yahweh) in the flesh.

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I see you ran away from the text he quoted so here it is with exegesis not eisegesis like you practice with nothing bot personal opinions.

Here lets begin with the syllogisms from the text in Philippians 2.

Just as the term “form of God” in verse six does not mean “less than God” because of the phrase “equality with God" in the prior passage.

It goes to reason in the same way with the 2 phrases in the “form of a servant” and in the “likeness of man” in verse seven do not mean that Jesus was any “less than human,” but instead means He was the same or “equal with all humans.”

That is how the passage reads and how it is to be understood in its " CONTEXT ".

He self-limited His divine prerogatives via the Incarnation as per Phil 2. In other words did not use them to His advantage but was in submission to the Father for 33 years to accomplish our salvation. All the FULLNESS of DEITY dwells in bodily form. Col 2:9. Jesus was and is fully God lacking nothing in His Deity. Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

Even through Christ existed in the form of God He did not regard equality with God something that He needed to reach for or grasp. Why because it was already His and never gave that up for a millisecond.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

In Colossians 2:9 the Apostle Paul said, For in HIM (CHRIST) ALL of the “ fullness of deity dwells bodily.” Did Paul use the word fullness there to mean partially? NO as Jesus did not empty Himself of His Deity. Jesus Divinity is FULL, complete lacking in nothing. The ENTIRE Fullness of Deity dwells(is present) bodily in Jesus.

ALL THE FULNESS OF DEITY= nothing absent, missing its the same FULNESS of the FATHER and HOLY SPIRIT- The Godhead.

Try to engage the text and exegete the passage rather than use eisegesis- reading your own thoughts and ideas into the text.

He shed His blood on the cross when all the Fulness of Deity was in Him bodily as the passage plainly SAYS in Colossians 1:19-20.

What Paul makes very clear in this passage is that in addition to being God, He became man. The Incarnation was not a subtraction of His deity but an addition of humanity to His nature. This passage does not say Jesus gave up His deity but that He laid aside His rights as Deity, assuming the form of a servant in verse 7. The text says He was in the form of God or being in the very nature of God in 2:6. Just as He took upon Himself the "form of a servant" which is a servant by nature, so the "form of God" is God by nature. The word "being" from the phrase: being in the very form of God is a present active participle. This means "continued existence" as God. What Paul is actually saying here is Jesus has always been and still is in the "form of God". If you continue reading the passage Paul really drives this point home so that his readers have no doubt what he is trying to get across to the Philippians. Paul says that every knee will bow and will one day Confess Jesus is LORD. Paul takes the passage in Isaiah 45:23 which clearly refers to Yahweh a name used for God alone and says this of Jesus. The fulfillment of YHWH in Isaiah 45 is none other than Jesus who is God(Yahweh) in the flesh.

hope this helps !!!

Here we go again, the same verses the same arguments, and the same outcome. Nothing changes. Just let me take a break from answering it, as you say are all my opinions anyway etc...you have time...I would ask you though to seriously study the words, Godliness or Godhood and then later they were nearly all translated into the single word Godhead ....what do these mean?