Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

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So believers do commit sin in your view?

Some can, but it’s not a way of life or the normal operative way of the believer. They will in time overcome sin that does not lead to spiritual death.

 

[savedbygrace1]

There is a difference between justifying sin vs. battling against sin (seeking to overcome it). Your view on sin gives into sin and thinks one is saved. .

I am quite sure sin grieves me far more than it grieves you. You simply quote the literal letter and cannot live up to what you quote. I prefer honesty. Your preaching does not reflect your life personally. That won't help anyone who reads what you write

 

[savedbygrace1]

Some can, but it’s not a way of life or the normal operative way of the believer. They will in time overcome sin that does not lead to spiritual death.

Read the beatitudes. Be honest and humble in your estimation of yourself as you read.

 

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I am quite sure sin grieves me far more than it grieves you. You simply quote the literal letter and cannot live up to what you quote. I prefer honesty. Your preaching does not reflect your life personally. That won't help anyone who reads what you write

Okay. You guys really gotta stop this silliness.

In 2 Corinthians 3:4-6, when Paul talks about the letter, he is referring to the Torah or the Old Law and not the laws of Christ (that were later all written down as Scripture that we have today in the New Testament portion of our Bible).

 

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Read the beatitudes. Be honest and humble in your estimation of yourself as you read.

So what? We can disbelieve the words of Christ? That’s what you are suggesting.
So your view of the words of Jesus are anti-faith. You don’t believe His words apply to our life.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Okay. You guys really gotta stop this silliness.

In 2 Corinthians 3:4-6, when Paul talks about the letter, he is referring to the Torah or the Old Law and not the laws of Christ (that were later all written down as Scripture that we have today in the New Testament portion of our Bible).

Paul is referring to the law engraved in stone, which was the ten commandments. The letter of the non moral law did not kill, it could be fully be obeyed. I'm afraid it is your comment that comes under the headline silliness

 

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Read the beatitudes. Be honest and humble in your estimation of yourself as you read.

What is your view of Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Corinthians 7:1, Philippians 2:12, and 1 Timothy 6:12? My guess is you don’t believe these verses also in what they say plainly. You must twist them or ignore them.

 

[savedbygrace1]

So what? We can disbelieve the words of Christ? That’s what you are suggesting.
So your view of the words of Jesus are anti-faith. You don’t believe His words apply to our life.

Are you deliberatley trying to be silly? Read the beatitudes and in honesty and humility consider how well you obey

 

[savedbygrace1]

What is your view of Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Corinthians 7:1, Philippians 2:12, and 1 Timothy 6:12? My guess is you don’t believe these verses also in what they say plainly. You must twist them or ignore them.

And this is your problem, you need to read the bible as one cohesive whole, not just grab a few verses here and there and make a doctrine out of the literal words you quote

 

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Paul is referring to the law engraved in stone, which was the ten commandments. The letter of the non moral law did not kill, it could be fully be obeyed. I'm afraid it is your comment that comes under the headline silliness

There is no proof in context that Paul is referring exclusively to the 10 only. He is referring to the whole of the Law of Moses. Evidence? Read Acts 15. Certain Jews were trying to deceive Gentile Christians that they must be circumcised to be saved. Circumcision was a part of the Old Law. These Jews also wanted the Gentile Christians to keep the Law of Moses, too. But the council said they gave them no such command.

Paul said if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2). Then Paul says in Galatians 5:4 that whosoever of you are justified by the law, you have fallen from grace. But this is not just any laws. Circumcision is again a part of the Old Law; And Paul lists various sin in Galatians 5:19-21 and says that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

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And this is your problem, you need to read the bible as one cohesive whole, not just grab a few verses here and there and make a doctrine out of the literal words you quote

That’s not a real answer in explaining these verses. This simply sounds like you are unable to explain them.

 

[savedbygrace1]

There is proof in context that Paul’s as exclusively to the 10 only. He is referring to the whole of the Law of Moses. Proof? Read Acts 15. Certain Jews were trying to deceive Gentile Christians that they must be circumcised to be saved. Circumcision was a part of the Old Law. These Jews also wanted the Gentile Christians to keep the Law of Moses, too. But the council said they gave them no such command.

Paul said if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2). Then Paul says in Galatians 5:4 that whosoever of you are justified by the law, you have fallen from grace. But this is not just any laws. Circumcision is again a part of the Old Law; And Paul lists various sin in Galatians 5:19-21 and says that they which do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Did you not know that the non moral law could be perfectly obeyed, even by people who did not know God. So the letter of that law did not kill! You need to go back to basics my friend

 

[savedbygrace1]

That’s not a real answer in explaining these verses. This simply sounds like you are unable to explain them.

you may believe as you wish

 

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Did you not know that the non moral law could be perfectly obeyed, even by people who did not know God. So the letter of that law did not kill! You need to go back to basics my friend

Chapter and verse. Oh, and my basics or foundation is grace.

I believe the Bible teaches there are two major aspects of salvation a believer needs to be concerned with in this life. Some Christians have called this “Initial Salvation and Final Salvation,” but I prefer to simply say this is:

#1. God's Grace Through Faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior
(Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.”​

Being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus as ones Savior is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Being saved by God's grace is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Being saved by God's grace will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For verses on being saved by God's grace, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#2. Sanctification of the Spirit to Live a Holy Life & A Belief of the Truth.
(The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
This is based on 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 (Which is call of the gospel; Note: 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 is not the gospel. It is simply the call of the gospel; For the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14

13 “…God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation
through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel,..”​

Anyways, this secondary aspect of salvation is in two parts. It is a two part intertwined secondary aspect of salvation (Which joins the cord of Initial Salvation or Foundational Salvation in being saved by God’s grace; See note below at the end of this post). Anyways, this secondary aspect of salvation is in two parts. One does not exist without the other (Note: The following is mentioned in order according to 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 and it is not stating that one cannot proceed the other or vise versa).

(a). Sanctification of the Spirit to Live a Holy Life is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).

(b) A Belief of the Truth is also another secondary synergistic intertwined aspect of salvation for the believer (in addition to Sanctification of the Holy Spirit). We need to study to show ourselves approved unto God according to 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJB). We need to hold to certain correct doctrines or teachings in God’s Word. One example: It is implied that denying bodily resurrection as being in the future means one’s faith is overthrown (See: 2 Timothy 2:17-18). So we need to study God’s Word (the Holy Bible) and hold to it’s truths. Now, does that mean one is not saved if they don’t know of the bodily resurrection? I don’t believe so. I believe that is what God’s grace is for. But once a key core doctrine of God’s Word is revealed to a believer, they cannot reject it. So a belief of the truth is similar to Sanctification. A Christian must grow in the knowledge of God’s Word and accept it’s beautiful fundamental truths. Does holding to all truths in the Bible save? Well, I don’t think a belief in the Nephilim saves (although it is a truth taught in His Word). But I believe there are other foundational truths we must eventually learn and accept as Christians. The Spirit will guide a believer into all truth within God’s Word.​

Side Note:

(A) Initial Salvation is solely in being saved by God’s grace through faith without works.

(B) Continued Salvation (or the Secondary Aspect of Salvation) is sort of like a three corded rope (or a cord of three strands). This rope involves:

Cord #1. Initial Salvation continuing in our life as one strand of the rope in our ongoing trust in God’s grace as the foundation of our salvation. Without this grace, we would be without any hope and without salvation. For Jesus is our cornerstone or foundation upon which we are ultimately saved.

Cord #2. Sanctification of the Spirit (to live a holy life by God’s power according to His Word) (Living holy by the Spirit involves putting away sin, and doing good works, and in keeping oneself pure and not by justifying sin).

Cord #3. A Belief of the Truth (Which is a continual study and belief of God’s Holy Word known as the Holy Bible).​

For Ecclesiastes 4:12 (GNT) says,
“A rope made of three cords is hard to break.”

 

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[ScottA]

Who is accusing Christ of sin? I simply asked you if a believer committed adultery who did that?

When one accuses one of these little ones, they do it to Him.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Chapter and verse. Oh, and my basics or foundation is grace.

I believe the Bible teaches there are two major aspects of salvation a believer needs to be concerned with in this life. Some Christians have called this “Initial Salvation and Final Salvation,” but I prefer to simply say this is:

#1. God's Grace Through Faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior
(Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.”​

Being saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus as ones Savior is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Being saved by God's grace is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Being saved by God's grace will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For verses on being saved by God's grace, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#2. Sanctification of the Spirit to Live a Holy Life & A Belief of the Truth.
(The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
This is based on 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 (Which is call of the gospel; Note: 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 is not the gospel. It is simply the call of the gospel; For the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14

13 “…God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation
through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel,..”​

Anyways, this secondary aspect of salvation is in two parts. It is a two part intertwined secondary aspect of salvation (Which joins the cord of Initial Salvation or Foundational Salvation in being saved by God’s grace; See note below at the end of this post). Anyways, this secondary aspect of salvation is in two parts. One does not exist without the other (Note: The following is mentioned in order according to 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 and it is not stating that one cannot proceed the other or vise versa).

(a). Sanctification of the Spirit to Live a Holy Life is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).

(b) A Belief of the Truth is also another secondary synergistic intertwined aspect of salvation for the believer (in addition to Sanctification of the Holy Spirit). We need to study to show ourselves approved unto God according to 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJB). We need to hold to certain correct doctrines or teachings in God’s Word. One example: It is implied that denying bodily resurrection as being in the future means one’s faith is overthrown (See: 2 Timothy 2:17-18). So we need to study God’s Word (the Holy Bible) and hold to it’s truths. Now, does that mean one is not saved if they don’t know of the bodily resurrection? I don’t believe so. I believe that is what God’s grace is for. But once a key core doctrine of God’s Word is revealed to a believer, they cannot reject it. So a belief of the truth is similar to Sanctification. A Christian must grow in the knowledge of God’s Word and accept it’s beautiful fundamental truths. Does holding to all truths in the Bible save? Well, I don’t think a belief in the Nephilim saves (although it is a truth taught in His Word). But I believe there are other foundational truths we must eventually learn and accept as Christians. The Spirit will guide a believer into all truth within God’s Word.​

Side Note:

(A) Initial Salvation is solely in being saved by God’s grace through faith without works.

(B) Continued Salvation (or the Secondary Aspect of Salvation) is sort of like a three corded rope (or a cord of three strands). This rope involves:

Cord #1. Initial Salvation continuing in our life as one strand of the rope in our ongoing trust in God’s grace as the foundation of our salvation. Without this grace, we would be without any hope and without salvation. For Jesus is our cornerstone or foundation upon which we are ultimately saved.

Cord #2. Sanctification of the Spirit (to live a holy life by God’s power according to His Word) (Living holy by the Spirit involves putting away sin, and doing good works, and in keeping oneself pure and not by justifying sin).

Cord #3. A Belief of the Truth (Which is a continual study and belief of God’s Holy Word known as the Holy Bible).​

For Ecclesiastes 4:12 (GNT) says,
“A rope made of three cords is hard to break.”

Bye

 

[savedbygrace1]

When one accuses one of these little ones, they do it to Him.

Accuse? I am going by their definition of what sin is. We are to beware of the hypocrisy of those who do not practice what they preach. They are Jesus words.
If people say it is sin not to obey Christ's commands in the Gospels, and you cannot be saved unless you obey them, it is the interests of new christians to address their comments

 

[savedbygrace1]

When one accuses one of these little ones, they do it to Him.

BTW
But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.

Can you answer the questions I asked you concerning the above? Justification is instantaneous when we accept Christ. What justification is Paul speaking of in the above for it is a justification that takes time to achieve. And during this period the people are evident sinners

 

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you may believe as you wish

Right, it’s called believing all of the Bible. If you did, you would explain the verses I put forth to you.