Saved By Fear?

[Stranger]

may want to read this couldnt have put it any better

Bible post

Thanks to @"ByGrace"

That doesn't answer anything I asked you.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Actually you made that claim, not I, but it is there in your bible.

1Jn_2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

why ,

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

still today ignored by man, but since you insist.

Eph_1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

I was once taken to Hie crucifixion, and there i found myself, kneeling at His right hand, Him nailed to the cross, Thorns upon His head, He lookes at me with a smile on His face, and said to me" I did this for you David", YEs HE knows my name. So here I have the "revelation" of who Christ is and what HE has done, that stranger is revelation,
again

I was taken up to heaven, Lay before God, I was given an object which I looked at, and I understood what it meant, and So I said to God, I do not want the world all I want is to know you, and HE got up and gave one of the men there an item to give to me, and He said, give Him his testimony.

And so i looked it up in teh"bible" and guess what it was in there , never saw it before,

Joh 3:32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
Joh 3:33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

So there you go now I have a revelation of who God is,

You cant get that from studying, and you must be careful what you do, that you do not do this,

Luk_11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

God never stopped speaking, man stopped listening.

You haven't revealed any new revelation from God that would serve as the 'Word' of God. All you do is quote Scripture that you say is not the Word of God. So, still waiting for that.

This new revelation you say you had adds nothing to that which is already established in the Bible. All that you said is based upon the Bible. Even your so called 'revelation' you say you found in the Bible. So, try again. All you are proving is that the Bible is the Word of God but you refuse to believe it.

Oxymoron. Hypocritical. Declaring the Bible is not the Word of God but all the time using it as authoritative as from God.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Read. But this has to wait till Monday.
Happy Easter!

Just curious if you forgot about a reply to my post #310 or if you just would rather forget it?

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

Just curious if you forgot about a reply to my post #310 or if you just would rather forget it?

Stranger

Didn't forget.
Later, when I'm at the computer.

 

[bbyrd009]

That doesn't answer anything I asked you.

Stranger

he's almost as bad as you are, huh :)

 

[bbyrd009]

Declaring the Bible is not the Word of God

amen to that at least. Not respecting Rhema i don't get tho, ya

everyone gets a piece of the truth, apparently

 

[Dcopymope]

You haven't revealed any new revelation from God that would serve as the 'Word' of God. All you do is quote Scripture that you say is not the Word of God. So, still waiting for that.

This new revelation you say you had adds nothing to that which is already established in the Bible. All that you said is based upon the Bible. Even your so called 'revelation' you say you found in the Bible. So, try again. All you are proving is that the Bible is the Word of God but you refuse to believe it.

Oxymoron. Hypocritical. Declaring the Bible is not the Word of God but all the time using it as authoritative as from God.

Stranger

Remember, the word of God is beneath him......but meanwhile he'll quote it when it suits him.

 

[Stranger]

Didn't forget.
Later, when I'm at the computer.

Sounds good. No hurry. I thought you might have forgotten.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Remember, the word of God is beneath him......but meanwhile he'll quote it when it suits him.

Indeed. Oxymoronic.

Stranger

 

[mjrhealth]

That doesn't answer anything I asked you.

Stranger

What you want is for me and a few others to believe a lie with you, sorry I will not do that for you or any man, yo ua teaxched and dont understand revelation, it is what Jesus was instructing Peter on when He said,

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And now you see the "rock" that Christ is building His church on, Its revelation, comes form God, you cant buy it, you cant earn it, you cant get is from studying, you cant get it from church nor reading books, but men deny it so they can "prove" themselves by there works.

YEs you can yell and scream call me Hypocrite, no skin off my nose.

 

[mjrhealth]

Remember, the word of God is beneath him......but meanwhile he'll quote it when it suits him.

and they all come out of teh woodwork like flies to a kill.

Christ is not beneath me and teh bible is not above Him as you so put it,

 

[OzSpen]

GodsGrace:
The spirit does guide me, including interpreting scripture, although there is no guarantee that I won't step ahead and add my own words. I'm not perfect. It is a process of refinement and I do it with love and zeal. What I knew 30 years ago in some areas had to be revised today. Amongst believers we will always have differences. I'm not looking or seeking perfect every time. I'm not capable of that....

APAK,

I agree that the Holy Spirit does guide in interpreting Scripture. But it also takes the hard work of exegesis - getting the meaning out of the biblical text and not inserting my meaning into the text (eisegesis).

My honest question to you is: How does the Holy Spirit's involvement in interpretation coincide with understanding the grammar of the original languages, the culture of the times in which they were written, and an understanding of the history of the time.

I have an issue with some who claim the Spirit it guiding interpretation, but the Spirit's meaning contradicts the historical-grammatical-cultural meaning of the text.

Thank you for considering my question.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

I can look at scripture such as when Christ says' the Father and I are one.' or in reverse: Many quickly say that this is a verse saying Jesus = God. It does not mean that at all. What the Father and Christ had and have today we are in the process of attaining with Christ today. Their INDIVIDUAL spirits were aligned or in synchronization, working as ONE spirit, although they were STILL TWO spirits, as ours is in the process of doing today. Christ prayed that this would happen and it did.
APAK

APAK,

That is your personal interpretation. How am I to judge whether that is the correct meaning when this Ministries' interpretation is radically different: 'What did Jesus mean when He said, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30)?' [Got Questions Ministries 2002-2018]?

Maybe you chose not to interpret Jn 10:30, taking into consideration the immediate context and the whole text of Scripture, but your interpretation does sound idiosyncratic to you. Or have you been reading or listening to a Bible teacher who promotes that view.

Oz

 

[GodsGrace]

Here's how it is.
You will never convince me otherwise.
I suffered as a child and as my mother rocked me in the chair, she told me about Jesus and God and how everything would be wonderful.
I said, "Ma, I want to be with God now, I don't want to suffer anymore"
I remember continually asking God to take me away from my suffering.
Was I saved?
I believe so.
God knew I would be saved.
He safely led me through a life of hell until at age 34 I cried out to Jesus and had a born again experience.
Is that predestination?
Is that being chosen?
You bet I believe that!

So God chose you?
And how about all those He did not choose?
Pretty unlucky persons, I guess.

 

[OzSpen]

Genesis 3:8-13
8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

Why did they hide? Is it because they had done wrong?

9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

As if God didn’t know?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

How did Adam know he was naked? Because Scripture teaches to be naked means to be under God’s judgment.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

The command NOT to eat from the tree of good and evil! Which person in the Godhead experienced “good and evil”, and who do you suppose we eat from?’

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

\Who had the greater sin, Adam or Eve? Seems to me this is “passing the buck” so to speak.

\13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Did Eve sin because the serpent deceived her, or did she sin because she disobeyed God? A classic picture of “free will” if I may say so!

After man sinned in the Garden he lost all kinds of communications with God unless God intervenes in his life. Forced? Maybe so, but I would rather be forced to heaven than have my pride/ego intact and go to hell!

You claim to be a Bible teacher, do you “get” what I’ve shared above and elsewhere on this thread?

I urge you to read my posts. You might get a different perspective.

To God Be The Glory

Did Adam and Eve, although spiritually dead, respond to God using their free will?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

So God chose you?
And how about all those He did not choose?
Pretty unlucky persons, I guess.

God knows the heart.
That's where we make our eternal choices.

 

[mjrhealth]

My honest question to you is: How does the Holy Spirit's involvement in interpretation coincide with understanding the grammar of the original languages, the culture of the times in which they were written, and an understanding of the history of the time.

So God, who created the languages who understands all the languages of men, knows nothing??, Men are smarter than God??.

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Job 38:14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
Job 38:15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
Job 38:17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
Job 38:20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
Job 38:21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
Job 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
Job 38:23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
Job 38:25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
Job 38:26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
Job 38:27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
Job 38:28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
Job 38:29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
Job 38:30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
Job 38:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
Job 38:34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?
Job 38:36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
Job 38:37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
Job 38:38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
Job 38:39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
Job 38:40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
Job 38:41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

 

[OzSpen]

So God chose you?
And how about all those He did not choose?
Pretty unlucky persons, I guess.

GodsGrace,

I appreciated your two questions.

As a Reformed Arminian, I do believe in the election of the believer to salvation. The issue is: On what basis does God elect people to salvation? Is it unconditionally, where they have no say in the decision, or it it conditional salvation. See a description in,The FACTS of Salvation C: Conditional Election' It means:

'Concerning election unto salvation, the Bible teaches that God chooses for salvation those who believe in Jesus Christ and therefore become united to him, making election conditional on faith in Christ'.​

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

God knows the heart.
That's where we make our eternal choices.

Rollo,

Are you agreeing that in salvation, human beings have a responsibility to respond to God's offer of salvation?

Would you say that human beings have some dimension of free will to be able to respond to God's call?

Oz

 

[GodsGrace]

God knows the heart.
That's where we make our eternal choices.

So are you saying that we choose to be saved by God and that we make the choice to follow Him?

(of course, God reveals Himself to manking as in Romans 1:19-20. What I'm asking is: Once you heard and knew about God, did YOU choose to follow Him?)