"Salvation" is the gift of Eternal Life - it's FOREVER.

[Taken]

Yes, by grace through faith.

So did God Forced you to take His gift of Salvation?

 

[BarneyFife]

So did God Forced you to take His gift of Salvation?

Evidently, He forces us to keep it once it is given.

 

[Taken]

I agree it's God's power.
But, if you don't rely on God's power but your own work to keep you saved you will fall.

Half truth.

Men can believe, keep enduring in belief by their own power, to the day they DIE, and they will be saved.

Men can believe, BECOME SAVED while alive in their flesh, and it matters not what day they DIE, they are already SAVED.

You appear to not understand the difference. You mix one man with another.

 

[Taken]

Evidently, He forces us to keep it once it is given.

No He does not force us to Keep our Salvation.
He keeps His Word that He Keeps our Salvation FOR us.

He neither forced us to take Salvation.
He neither forces us to keep Salvation.
He teaches His Gift of Salvation IS forever....BE SURE YOU WANT IT, Before you agree to receive it.

Men make agreement between themselves....Men lie, agree by their word, then break their word, such a problem, men made laws, you must agree by your SIGNATURE. Men still try to break their word, their contract, their vow, and too bad. Their signature proves they fully agreed, so by law you have to complete what you agreed with.

God does not require a “signature”. He requires a mans true word. If the man lies to God......the offering of Salvation becomes VOID....he has already forfeited receiving Salvation....no further worries. The man remains unsaved.
The man has guaranteed his sentence of damnation.

 

[BarneyFife]

No He does not force us to Keep our Salvation.
He keeps His Word that He Keeps our Salvation FOR us.

He neither forced us to take Salvation.
He neither forces us to keep Salvation.
He teaches His Gift of Salvation IS forever....BE SURE YOU WANT IT, Before you agree to receive it.

Men make agreement between themselves....Men lie, agree by their word, then break their word, such a problem, men made laws, you must agree by your SIGNATURE. Men still try to break their word, their contract, their vow, and too bad. Their signature proves they fully agreed, so by law you have to complete what you agreed with.

God does not require a “signature”. He requires a mans true word. If the man lies to God......the offering of Salvation becomes VOID....he has already forfeited receiving Salvation....no further worries. The man remains unsaved.
The man has guaranteed his sentence of damnation.

This is what is called "a distinction without a difference." It is a logical fallacy. If a gift is given that cannot be returned, the recipient is forced to heep it. Conversion does not cause the will to be surrendered permanently.

 

[Taken]

So now no one is saved until they die?

I am currently at this moment saved. It doesn't start at death, that's just a door into a different sort of existence.

Do you only skim read?

Do you know the difference between NOW....and LATER?
Do you know the difference between Physical Death and Spiritual Death?
Do you know the difference between Believe and Converted?
Do you know the difference between your power and Gods Power?
Do you know the difference between Gods OFFERING and Mans TAKING?

IF you are currently SAVED...at this moment...
It absolutely started.......WITH DEATH.

Every natural born person is born in sin.
Every natural born person is sentenced to Death.
Nothing can be “BORN AGAIN”, less it DIES!

What do you think “crucified WITH Christ means” ?

 

[Taken]

Why ascribe thoughts and ideas to @Renniks when all @Renniks did was quote Scripture? The verses do not describe a "saved" person. The Bible does not teach that being saved is a condition or state of being at all.

Quoting verses irrelevant to the point, is irrelevant.
The Bible absolutely does teach Saved is a state of BEing...CONVERTED.

Matt 18:
[3] And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye BE converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You keep making it about what God has.

Do you not know, A MAN IS SAVED BY WHAT A MAN DOES?
A man CALLS OUT TO THE LORD.
A man HEARTFULLY CONFESSES BELIEF. JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD
A man REPENTS of HIS SIN.
A man LAYS DOWN HIS LIFE FOR THE LORD...

A MANS ACT....Has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT GOD HAS.
WITHOUT a MANS ACT....Gods mercy, gift of Salvation, gift of Eternal Life, promise to be forever with men, on and on.....DOES NOT APPLY to a man...
WHO DOES NOT FIRST “ACT”.

I was saved because of Gods mercy
I was saved because of Gods work
God gave me the offer of salvation. All I did was say yes.

a non believer can not lay their life down for the lord. they do nto have the capacity, I repented of my unbelief and refusal to acknowledge God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not when they left. Many false teachers were once genuine believers.

Nope,

Because JOHN said IF THEY WERE OF US, THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE LEFT

Those false teachers became false teachers because they were never saved. Everyone in the end chooses the path they truly trust.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes. Otherwise you have limited atonement...a Calvinism falsehood.

that is not correct. It is not limited atonement unless God only paid for the sins of those who he chose. that's not correct.

You need to get off your calvin kick, Eternal life is not a calvinist only belief,

God is omniscient, there is NOTHING you can do yesterday today or tomorrow that god does not already know about.

God is not going to give eternal life to a person he knows does not have true saving faith. He has purchased the price of their salvation, But he is not going to just give it to them

If he does. He goes against his own nature, and gives a person promises he KNOWS he will not be able to keep.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not lost, thrown away. Big difference. You can not lose it like your car keys. You can toss it in the trash deliberately.

lol.

Nope. I can;t throw away what is empowered by God

God is more powerful than me

are you going to let your kids jump of a cliff to their death if you have the power to save them?

If you do. Please let the authorities know. because you should not be a father

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You mean the Catholics? The baptist's are pretty large.

alot of baptists believe in NOSAS like you

I am talking about Catholics. Lutheran, Methodist, Church of Christ, Church of God, Latter day saints, Jehovas Witnesses. I can go on and on and on.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Seriously? You cannot truly believe and not receive salvation. It's impossible.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.

the belief in that passage is not a wishy washy, I believe in jesus belief.

It is a true repent and belief salvic faith.

he also said they will never die and has eternal llife

You want me to believe they CAN still die, and has conditional life.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nonsense. It's a gift that must be accepted. And any gift can be given back unless you believe in the Calvinists nonsense.

lol

when your mom gives you a gift and you recieve it, Have you earned that gift by recieving it?

Of course not. And once you take it, its yours. If you throw it in the trash, it does not negate the fact, its yours.

I will not ask you again to stop with your calvin crap. I am not calvinist, I reject their limited atonement dual fatalistic view of salvation. I will not sit here and be accused of something I am not.

What sadens me is your anger against this one church is so severe. you are blind to what the word actually says.

 

[Cooper]

The TRUTH IS....A SAVED PERSON CANNOT BECOME UNSAVED.
The TRUTH IS....A SAVED PERSON IS NOT KEEPING HIMSELF SAVED.
The TRUTH IS....The Power of God “IN” the person Keeps the Person SAVED.

I have no FEAR of the TRUTH.
Your words are NOT TRUTH.

Israel proves you wrong.
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[Grailhunter]

Be Good and Do Good!

 

[Cooper]

No. You do not speak for me.
I don’t know a single person that WAS SAVED and now IS NOT SAVED.
^ That would make God a LIAR.

Wait till Jesus says, "I never knew you."
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[Cooper]

Nope, Bad advice.

My words...
Spiritual things do not make sense to Unsaved persons.

Scriptures words...
1 Cor 2:
[14] But the natural man (unsaved person) receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, (doesn’t make sense) because they are spiritually discerned

That is how you came to be in a cult. You have no spiritual discernment. The warnings against deserting God are numerous. Why are the warnings there? They are there because it happens.
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[Cooper]

Be Good and Do Good!

That saves nobody.
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[ScottA]

I was taught this throughout my entire childhood. It's what I like I like to call "righteousness by human sincerity" which is not at all like righteousness by faith and certainly provides no assurance of salvation.

Eternal security is largely a counterbalance to another false doctrine called eternal torment. Both are contrary to the very character of God. It is best to start from "God is love" when determining the validity of a Bible doctrine. :)

Christ laid down His life, that He might take it up again. This is the way--He is the Way. That is the correct model, and the one we are to follow. Anything else is religion and the teachings of men.