Rome and Antichrist

[Brakelite]

True.....
So it will be Christ's kingdom and he will rule. Not individual nations. Imo

You guys are missing one extremely important component of Christ's second coming. He will not touch the earth, nor establish any kingdom on earth, not at that time. It isn't until the end of the millennium that the New Jerusalem, the holy city, descends out of heaven and settles upon the earth, with the saints all inside. At that time the wicked are raised to face their judgement, in desperation they surround the city with the intent to attack, but are destroyed by fire from heaven.
That same fire cleanses the earth from all contamination and pollution, and God creates a new heaven and a new earth, and it is then, with all the wicked no more, Satan and his angels destroyed, that Christ rules His kingdom forever... On earth... With the new Jerusalem as the capital of the universe.

 

[St. Joseph]

You guys are missing one extremely important component of Christ's second coming. He will not touch the earth, nor establish any kingdom on earth, not at that time. It isn't until the end of the millennium that the New Jerusalem, the holy city, descends out of heaven and settles upon the earth, with the saints all inside. At that time the wicked are raised to face their judgement, in desperation they surround the city with the intent to attack, but are destroyed by fire from heaven.
That same fire cleanses the earth from all contamination and pollution, and God creates a new heaven and a new earth, and it is then, with all the wicked no more, Satan and his angels destroyed, that Christ rules His kingdom forever... On earth... With the new Jerusalem as the capital of the universe.

I disagree. Christ will rule 1000 years after the tribulation. Then satan will be loosed again for a short season. But church has to be raptured before tribulation.

 

[Brakelite]

The apostle John said,

KJV 1 John 3:8
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

What are the works of the devil? Lying, murder, stealing, rebelliousness, iniquity, transgressing the law, in other words, sin right? Jesus came to destroy sin.

Many say Jesus is going to immortalize sin by granting sinners the power to live forever, and thus to sin forever. This is so contrary to the nature of God, that He would deliberately keep sinners alive in fire while they not only suffer, but will no doubt be constantly and without ceasing, for eternity, cursing and blaspheming God for His injustice and cruelty.
@MatthewG on the other hand believes God is so loving that He would release those sinners from the clutches of the fire, and somehow change them against their will and allow them into heaven. He will give everybody a second chance in order for them to turn away from their selfishness and be made holy and righteous, and fit for glory. But hold on. The only reason for them to change is the realization that "hey, God is real, I don't wanna die." Which would be utterly selfish, which is sin.
When we come to Jesus we ought to come with a sense that we have offended God by transgressing His laws, seeking a life in harmony with God's laws and this pleasing Him. He then responds in love with forgiveness, mercy, and the power to change lives.
It isn't about Him needing you. It's about you needing Him. And He wanting to know you. After all, He is the Creator, and we should be adhering to the Manufacturers instructions.

 

[MatthewG]

You got my theology messed up.

I believe that 1,000,000 Jews died on the day of Lord when he returned and the wrath of God was emptied out.

That was measured out justice and divorce of the nation of Israel in that day, and the bride was married and now people become part of that kingdom or bride through them of the first fruits.

Wouldn’t speak for me unless you actually have questions and citing of scripture of what you wanna understand about from me if I can give information to reply with @Brakelite.

Love you, and take care of yourself. I didn’t read half of what you said. I’m a butthead I know, forgive me.

 

[MatthewG]

You got my theology messed up.

I believe that 1,000,000 Jews died on the day of Lord when he returned and the wrath of God was emptied out.

That was measured out justice and divorce of the nation of Israel in that day, and the bride was married and now people become part of that kingdom or bride through them of the first fruits.

Wouldn’t speak for me unless you actually have questions and citing of scripture of what you wanna understand about from me if I can give information to reply with @Brakelite.

Love you, and take care of yourself. I didn’t read half of what you said. I’m a butthead I know, forgive me.

Along with all this I believe there was a time and place for judgment of the gentiles from the gentile nations, and the Jewish nation, which was done through the resurrection that took place for all of them being dumped out of hell, and the sea as John says.

Now what though people wonder if that has done taken place.



You die. Your judged. Given a spiritual body, placed outside the kingdom or inside. Only ones promised to be done away with forever is the false prophet, the beast and the devil.


Human beings aren’t gonna be lost in the sense of utter annihilation - because Gods “booloamhee” will is for none to perish.


And he will get that. Thank God.


Hope that helps a little bit cause I know I only have skim information and I total base it all on faith my guy @Brakelite despite all the initial challenges I have done gone through in ridding myself out of “God is good, yet he punishes people forever in flames”.




I also tend to believe God used the nation of Rome to destroy Israel which was that initial divorce with all sorts of plagues just like in Egypt and it’s all documented down in history by secular writers of the time.

Cassio Dio, Suetonius, Josephus, and Tacticus

 

[St. Joseph]

Along with all this I believe there was a time and place for judgment of the gentiles from the gentile nations, and the Jewish nation, which was done through the resurrection that took place for all of them being dumped out of hell, and the sea as John says.

Now what though people wonder if that has done taken place.



You die. Your judged. Given a spiritual body, placed outside the kingdom or inside. Only ones promised to be done away with forever is the false prophet, the beast and the devil.


Human beings aren’t gonna be lost in the sense of utter annihilation - because Gods “booloamhee” will is for none to perish.


And he will get that. Thank God.


Hope that helps a little bit cause I know I only have skim information and I total base it all on faith my guy @Brakelite despite all the initial challenges I have done gone through in ridding myself out of “God is good, yet he punishes people forever in flames”.




I also tend to believe God used the nation of Rome to destroy Israel which was that initial divorce with all sorts of plagues just like in Egypt and it’s all documented down in history by secular writers of the time.

Cassio Dio, Suetonius, Josephus, and Tacticus

Are you two saying this has all taken place already?

 

[MatthewG]

He may not be, I believe it all has despite having no evidence of “Jesus returning” it’s all by faith and no one can shoot that bird down but myself, @St. Joseph.

 

[Brakelite]

Along with all this I believe there was a time and place for judgment of the gentiles from the gentile nations, and the Jewish nation, which was done through the resurrection that took place for all of them being dumped out of hell, and the sea as John says.

Now what though people wonder if that has done taken place.



You die. Your judged. Given a spiritual body, placed outside the kingdom or inside. Only ones promised to be done away with forever is the false prophet, the beast and the devil.


Human beings aren’t gonna be lost in the sense of utter annihilation - because Gods “booloamhee” will is for none to perish.


And he will get that. Thank God.


Hope that helps a little bit cause I know I only have skim information and I total base it all on faith my guy @Brakelite despite all the initial challenges I have done gone through in ridding myself out of “God is good, yet he punishes people forever in flames”.




I also tend to believe God used the nation of Rome to destroy Israel which was that initial divorce with all sorts of plagues just like in Egypt and it’s all documented down in history by secular writers of the time.

Cassio Dio, Suetonius, Josephus, and Tacticus

So you think God's will overrides your will? The vast majority of mankind despises the very idea of God, wanting only their own way and seeking their own selfish ends. How does a God of love override another's purpose? That creates to be love, unless you believe in shotgun weddings. Do you realize that anyone who enters paradise who does not want to be there, do despises God's laws and detests righteousness, is a danger to the rest of all who dwell there? Why would not such a selfish lawless one do for heaven what Lucifer did?

 

[St. Joseph]

He may not be, I believe it all has despite having no evidence of “Jesus returning” it’s all by faith and no one can shoot that bird down but myself, @St. Joseph.

Huh? Are you saying it happened already or not?

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus and the apostles described His return: there are many aspects of that event that did not take place in the past.

 

[MatthewG]

@Brakelite Excuse me, sir, I don’t understand what you’re

listen and try to follow close to what I’m about to say

Now today, when a baby is born into this world yes, it, the child, may grow up to become acquainted with God, and saved by and through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The first tree we eat off is the knowledge of good and evil witch is representation of our flesh, the second tree that is available is the tree of life with a person who is a believer comes to eat off of.

An aspect of the victory of Jesus Christ, which I believe by faith is now incited today regardless, if 1 000,000 people tell me no, leaves each human being born into this world

In the garden state, just like Adam and eve was

And every person chooses every day of their life, if they are going to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, or if they’re going to eat from the tree of life.








With all that said, I still believe John, the beloved, who said there’s an inside and outside of the kingdom, where people reside, and I’m not gonna fight or belabor the fact of it being so anymore with you.

I love you and I appreciate your questions. I’m just not really sure how to take it. I use this with my microphone recorder so my voice was picked up so I didn’t have to type because I only have a phone. I have don’t have a computer and I’m a poor boy, Rich, in Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

Huh? Are you saying it happened already or not?

Yes. I believe Jesus Christ in his apostles talked about the coming again in the first century, because there was never going to be an event like it ever happen ever again.


If you want to look up in the history, says hear some people to look into

I also tend to believe God used the nation of Rome to destroy Israel which was that initial divorce with all sorts of plagues just like in Egypt and it’s all documented down in history by secular writers of the time.

Cassio Dio, Suetonius, Josephus, and Tacticus

 

[St. Joseph]

Yes. I believe Jesus Christ in his apostles talked about the coming again in the first century, because there was never going to be an event like it ever happen ever again.


If you want to look up in the history, says hear some people to look into

I also tend to believe God used the nation of Rome to destroy Israel which was that initial divorce with all sorts of plagues just like in Egypt and it’s all documented down in history by secular writers of the time.

Cassio Dio, Suetonius, Josephus, and Tacticus

The temple had to be destroyed in 70 A D. Christianity was now up and running and no need for the temple ans offerings anymore.

 

[MatthewG]

that is a really cool owl by the way @Brakelite what’s the name of it?

 

[Davy]

Christ will put down all governments. Government will be on his shoulders.
He will rulebwith a rod of iron.
He will be a dictator. But a just one.

Actually our Monarch, for Christ is our KING.

 

[Davy]

The temple had to be destroyed in 70 A D. Christianity was now up and running and no need for the temple ans offerings anymore.

Daniel tells of 4 beast he saw in a vision. 3 were brought down by another army,but Roman Empire fell in on itself.
Zechariah brings up those kingdodms again,and tells us Roman Empire will be revived and Christ will be the one who destroys her for good after the tribulation.

I don't know what church system you're listening to, some today are confused about the prophecies in the Book of Daniel.

1. As someone here already hinted at, Daniel 2 reveals all 5 pieces of the beast statue will be revived in the final beast that will exist when Jesus returns to smite it upon its feet of ten toes.

2. The "legs of iron" of the Daniel 2 beast statue represented the old pagan Roman empire.

3. The "feet part of iron and part of clay", is actually a 5th beast which all the previous ones will be together under for the END of this world. Per Daniel 2, they all "together" will fall when Christ comes (in FINAL) to smite it upon its feet of ten toes. This means, the 10 kings of Revelation that reign "one hour" with the beast king at the end, have NOT YET manifested.

4. The Protestant Reformers that in the 16th century thought the pope was the Antichrist believed that because of the persecutions they suffered by the Catholic church back then. But their theory did not pan out, the pope was not the Antichrist prophesied to come at the end of this world. But still today, there is a certain 'faction' among Christ's Body which still try to use that old Reformer's idea about a pope, and they often try to assign the Catholic church as being the revived pagan Roman empire. That of course is not true, and I am a Protestant Christian when I say this; my ancestors came to the Americas because of the persecutions against French Protestants back in the 16-17th centuries. They were called Huguenots, and many of them settled in South Carolina and Kentucky.

5. The beast system of Revelation for the end of this world is to be a one-world kingdom with its head at JERUSALEM, not Rome.

6. The final beast kingdom will involve the coming of a pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem, not Rome.

7. The final beast kingdom will also involve a re-start of old covenant worship by the orthodox unbelieving Jews in the nation of Israel.

8. Another Jewish temple MUST be built in Jerusalem to fulfill the end time prophecy about the coming false-Messiah placing the "abomination of desolation" inside that temple, and demanding all bow in worship to it, or be killed (Rev.13; Daniel 11).

9. The "little horn", the "vile person", the "king of fierce countenance" are all the same one, the final Antichrist that is to show up at JERUSALEM working great signs and wonders and miracles in the sight of men. That working by the coming false-Messiah no man has ever seen before upon this earth, except for the miracles our Lord Jesus Christ Himself did at His 1st coming. That is how powerful in deception that false one will work.

10. Our focus per God's Word with the end time, is at JERUSALEM, not Rome. And Europe is a favorite dot that the deceived Jews use as a way to keep focus away from Jerusalem where the real... action is going to be at the end.

 

[St. Joseph]

I don't know what church system you're listening to, some today are confused about the prophecies in the Book of Daniel.

1. As someone here already hinted at, Daniel 2 reveals all 5 pieces of the beast statue will be revived in the final beast that will exist when Jesus returns to smite it upon its feet of ten toes.

2. The "legs of iron" of the Daniel 2 beast statue represented the old pagan Roman empire.

3. The "feet part of iron and part of clay", is actually a 5th beast which all the previous ones will be together under for the END of this world. Per Daniel 2, they all "together" will fall when Christ comes (in FINAL) to smite it upon its feet of ten toes. This means, the 10 kings of Revelation that reign "one hour" with the beast king at the end, have NOT YET manifested.

4. The Protestant Reformers that in the 16th century thought the pope was the Antichrist believed that because of the persecutions they suffered by the Catholic church back then. But their theory did not pan out, the pope was not the Antichrist prophesied to come at the end of this world. But still today, there is a certain 'faction' among Christ's Body which still try to use that old Reformer's idea about a pope, and they often try to assign the Catholic church as being the revived pagan Roman empire. That of course is not true, and I am a Protestant Christian when I say this; my ancestors came to the Americas because of the persecutions against French Protestants back in the 16-17th centuries. They were called Huguenots, and many of them settled in South Carolina and Kentucky.

5. The beast system of Revelation for the end of this world is to be a one-world kingdom with its head at JERUSALEM, not Rome.

6. The final beast kingdom will involve the coming of a pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem, not Rome.

7. The final beast kingdom will also involve a re-start of old covenant worship by the orthodox unbelieving Jews in the nation of Israel.

8. Another Jewish temple MUST be built in Jerusalem to fulfill the end time prophecy about the coming false-Messiah placing the "abomination of desolation" inside that temple, and demanding all bow in worship to it, or be killed (Rev.13; Daniel 11).

9. The "little horn", the "vile person", the "king of fierce countenance" are all the same one, the final Antichrist that is to show up at JERUSALEM working great signs and wonders and miracles in the sight of men. That working by the coming false-Messiah no man has ever seen before upon this earth, except for the miracles our Lord Jesus Christ Himself did at His 1st coming. That is how powerful in deception that false one will work.

10. Our focus per God's Word with the end time, is at JERUSALEM, not Rome. And Europe is a favorite dot that the deceived Jews use as a way to keep focus away from Jerusalem where the real... action is going to be at the end.

I agree with that. Antichrist sits in the temple. The only temple will be in Israel.
Did i get off track in a previous post?

 

[Davy]

I agree with that. Antichrist sits in the temple. The only temple will be in Israel.
Did i get off track in a previous post?

Well, the following statement you made could be misleading because of pointing to a revived Roman empire...

"Zechariah brings up those kingdodms again,and tells us Roman Empire will be revived and Christ will be the one who destroys her for good after the tribulation."

What was revealed in Daniel 2 about the 'end' shows all 5 pieces of the beast statue being 'together' when Jesus comes to smite it upon its feet. Does that mean Rome is going to be the head just because 'iron' is mentioned again in the feet of part iron and part clay? No, I don't see that at all, because of Jesus' prophecies about the end with the coming of the pseudo-Christ (Antichrist) to Jerusalem, not Rome.

 

[quietthinker]

You guys are missing one extremely important component of Christ's second coming. He will not touch the earth, nor establish any kingdom on earth, not at that time. It isn't until the end of the millennium that the New Jerusalem, the holy city, descends out of heaven and settles upon the earth, with the saints all inside. At that time the wicked are raised to face their judgement, in desperation they surround the city with the intent to attack, but are destroyed by fire from heaven.
That same fire cleanses the earth from all contamination and pollution, and God creates a new heaven and a new earth, and it is then, with all the wicked no more, Satan and his angels destroyed, that Christ rules His kingdom forever... On earth... With the new Jerusalem as the capital of the universe.

It is assumed the expression 'fire from heaven' means the fire comes from God. Could it be that 'the fire' is from men using High tech weapons which destroys themselves? The word 'heaven' does not need to mean God's dwelling place. It can also mean the sky/ our atmosphere.
Considering it is the Devil who steals, kills and destroys and God who is the life giver, I doubt the fire is from God.

 

[Patrick1966]

that Christ rules His kingdom forever... On earth... With the new Jerusalem as the capital of the universe.

What about 1 Corinthians 15 where it says that Jesus gives the kingdom to God?