ROMANS: CHRIST DIED FOR US
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LoveYeshua
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no we do not have to follow paul's gospel but the gospel of Jesus. Jesus said in the first books of the new testament that he would die for us he did, and explained why! what paul said was already past , Paul invented nothing. Jesus preached the Kingdom and repentance from sin Paul preached salvation by grace alone and this if a false doctrine. if you dare, compare with what Jesus said and see. you mist do your own homework is you want to understand and be saved, prove to GOD that you love him and do his will this is what you must do above all else in this life.
You make a fatal mistake by putting Paul before Christ.
LoveYeshua
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untrue, the proof is that you are completely confused! everyone here can see this except yourself.
LoveYeshua
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Jesus cane to preach tihs, you do not what he sais but live on every word of paul. Jesus id one with god!
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luk 6:47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
Luk 6:48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Luk 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Doug, this is you in luke 6:46!
repent the Kingdom of heaven is near
LoveYeshua
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to all not only Israel, I have proven this to you with proper clear scripture but you wont listen!
LoveYeshua
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FALSE AGAIN;
Yes, in the New Testament, Jesus did teach and ultimately fulfill the redemption of humanity through His death on the cross. Although much of His direct teaching focused on the Kingdom of God, repentance, and following Him, He also made clear statements about His mission and the necessity of His death for the salvation of humanity.
Here are some key verses where Jesus speaks of His sacrificial death and the redemption He would bring through the cross, using the New King James Version (NKJV):
Matthew 16:21
"From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day."Here, Jesus is predicting His death and resurrection, signaling the ultimate act of redemption that He would accomplish through the cross.
2. Matthew 20:28
"just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."Jesus directly speaks about His purpose in coming to Earth—not to be served as a king, but to offer His life as a "ransom" for many, indicating the idea of His sacrificial death to redeem humanity.
John 3:14-15
"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."In this passage, Jesus refers to His crucifixion as being "lifted up," a direct allusion to His death on the cross. Through His death, He offers eternal life to those who believe in Him.
John 12:32-33
"And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself." This He said, signifying by what death He would die."Jesus here again references His "lifting up" (a symbol of His crucifixion) and the drawing of people to Himself through His death, foreshadowing the redemptive work He would accomplish on the cross.
Luke 22:19-20
"And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, 'This is My body, which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.' Likewise, He also took the cup after supper, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.'"At the Last Supper, Jesus institutes the sacrament of communion, symbolizing His body and blood that would be given up for the redemption of humanity. This is a clear reference to His upcoming sacrifice on the cross.
Mark 14:24
"This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many."This is another reference to Jesus' death and the new covenant He would establish through His sacrifice.
John 10:11
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep."Here, Jesus directly states that He is willing to lay down His life for His followers—an essential part of the redemptive work He would do on the cross.
John 14:6
"Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.'"While not directly referencing the cross here, Jesus is emphasizing that the way to salvation—through Him—is only possible because of the work He would accomplish on the cross.
9. Mark 15:34
"And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?' which is translated, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?'"In this moment on the cross, Jesus is quoting Psalm 22, a prophetic passage that foretold the suffering Messiah. His death on the cross is the fulfillment of the redemption plan.
Jesus' death on the cross was central to His teachings and mission. Throughout His ministry, He foretold it, and in His final hours, He made it clear that through His sacrifice, redemption and forgiveness of sins would be offered to all who believe in Him.
why is it you did not know this? is it because you follow only paul and reject the teachings of Christ? Everything you write points to this the evidence is documented on this site. Not only this but you teach false doctrine on this forum.
LoveYeshua
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I dont remember ....do you agree the kingdom of heaven is the promised kingdom on earth?
LoveYeshua
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Doug I write this for you in words Jesus used in scripture;
"I am the Living Water, and I am the Bread of Life.
If you come to Me, you will never thirst again; and if you eat of My flesh, you will never hunger. The water I give you will become in you a spring of water, bubbling up into eternal life. What you seek in this world—peace, satisfaction, purpose—can only be found in Me. The world offers temporary relief, but I offer what satisfies forever.
Do not labour for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life. I am that food, that bread. I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of the One who sent Me. The Father has given Me to you as the sustenance for your soul. If you eat of this bread, you will live forever.
Many will try to show you other ways, but I tell you plainly: I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. In Me is the fullness of life, and outside of Me, there is only death. Those who come to Me will never be cast out. I came that you might have life, and have it abundantly.
So I ask you—why seek anywhere else? Jesus is the source of all you truly need. He is the door and the resurrection. Follow HIM, and you shall never walk in darkness. Only in Jesus will you find eternal life.
"I am the Living Water, and I am the Bread of Life.
If you come to Me, you will never thirst again; and if you eat of My flesh, you will never hunger. The water I give you will become in you a spring of water, bubbling up into eternal life. What you seek in this world—peace, satisfaction, purpose—can only be found in Me. The world offers temporary relief, but I offer what satisfies forever.
Do not labour for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life. I am that food, that bread. I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of the One who sent Me. The Father has given Me to you as the sustenance for your soul. If you eat of this bread, you will live forever.
Many will try to show you other ways, but I tell you plainly: I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. In Me is the fullness of life, and outside of Me, there is only death. Those who come to Me will never be cast out. I came that you might have life, and have it abundantly.
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So I ask you—why seek anywhere else? Jesus is the source of all you truly need. He is the door and the resurrection. Follow HIM, and you shall never walk in darkness. Only in Jesus will you find eternal life.
[Mat 28:19 KJV] 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
I assume that Jesus telling them to go to all is what you are referring to
[Gal 2:9 KJV] 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
They didnt go to all just to the Jews
LoveYeshua
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I wrote to you before no problem, in brief,
the Kingdom of Heaven will be on earth for 1000 years according to scripture ( revelations ) this will start with Jesus second advent. in that time the remnants of Israel, the lost tribes will be brought back to the promised land. after that for a short time (lenght not specified) satan will be unleashed a last time and will seduce again the nations against the kingdom . Jesus will destroy satan once and for all, after this The book of revelations says there will be a new earth and a new Jerusalem, in this new Jerusalem wit father and Christ will abide within this eternal Kingdom.
LoveYeshua
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yes you assume correctly, jesus sends the 12 to preach to all the world, but is is trus Jesus started with Israel he said so also.
see here in Gal you quoted, paul boasts again, demeaning James, john and peter saying ""seemed" to be the pillar. the reality is they WERE the pillar be careful what paul says! what paul said was demeaning, there original disciples were especially appointed by GOD to be with Jesus. James was the brother of jesus, they were not appointed at random. Jesius said himself PETER was the rock to build upon. PAUL WAS IN COMPETITION WITH JESUS DISCIPLES HE BOASTED BY HIS OWH ADMITTANCE.
Matthew 16:18 (NKJV):
"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it."
They were the pillar of the church !
you must know Peter was crucified in ROME, THERE HE WAS PREACHING TO GENTILES .
ANOTHER PROOF YOU CASUALLY FORGET THAT PETER WAS APPOINTED TO GO THE GENTILES BY GOD IS FOND IN ACT 15:7;
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
IF YOU SAY AGAIN THE DISCIPLES AND JESUS WERE TEACHING ONLY TO ISRAEL WE SHALL NO LONGER DISCUSS. THE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, I HAVE GIVEN TO YOU MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY.
PLEASE CINFIRM YOU UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSIONS.
Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom....the coming Davidic kingdom for Israel
The twelve preached his name and the gospel of the kingdom and the cross as an indictment against Israel in Acts
The cross was spoken of by Jesus as a prophetic fulfillment
Yes Jesus spoke of his death and resurrection to fulfill what was written in the prophets....of course he knew he was dying for all but did not reveal that in the gospels and his disciples did not understand any of it Luke 18:34
A ransom for many which was Israel
[Psa 130:8 KJV] 8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.
Paul would reveal how He died and rose for all to be ransomed
[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Nothing about the cross just believing on his name
But that redemptive work came by Paul
The Gentiles could always be blessed but only through Israel...if they blessed Israel or became proselytes and complied with the covenant of circumcision
Again his death was in prophecy but what was not revealed was justification apart from Israel and their covenants
The sheep is Israel and Christ their shepherd
[1Ki 22:17 KJV] 17 And he said, I saw all Israel scattered upon the hills, as sheep that have not a shepherd: and the LORD said, These have no master: let them return every man to his house in peace.
