ROMANS: CHRIST DIED FOR US

[Doug]

what do you mean enacted in the kingdom?,

This final phase will be fulfilled during the thousand year reign of Christ on earth, the kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-5). The twelve will rule on twelve thrones over Israel (Matthew 19:28 Luke 22:29-30). Israel will be a blessing and a light to the Gentiles and will teach them (Isaiah 60:3).
This was not fulfilled seeing in Galatians 2:9 the twelve agreed to go only to the Jews

 

[Doug]

GOD's eternal Moral law the 10 Commandments, we have to keep them to enter the Kingdom that is ceertain;

Israel had to....according to Paul we are already seated with Christ in heavenly places
[Eph 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:

 

[LoveYeshua]

Israel had to....according to Paul we are already seated with Christ in heavenly places
[Eph 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:

You are seated with Christ only if you obey his will and do as he said.

Luke 6:46 (NKJV):

"But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?"

Many call Jesus the lord and they do well but we must also do as he asks this is imperative.

Jesus often spoke about the importance of not just hearing His words but following them. In Matthew 7:21, He said, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." He also taught in John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Jesus continued this theme in John 14:23-24, where He said, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me."

In Matthew 7:24, He described the wise man as someone who hears His words and acts on them, saying, "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock." Finally, in Luke 11:28, Jesus declared, "More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"

These verses show how much Jesus emphasized the need to live out His teachings in obedience to God.

Blessings Doug.

 

[Doug]

You are seated with Christ only if you obey his will and do as he said.

Please show me this in Paul's epistles

 

[LoveYeshua]

Please show me this in Paul's epistles

Paul said something similar;
"And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus." (Ephesians 2:6, NIV)

 

[Doug]

You are seated with Christ only if you obey his will and do as he said.

The verse you gave me says nothing about obedience to his will that you say is needed to be seated with Christ in heavenly places

 

[LoveYeshua]

The verse you gave me says nothing about obedience to his will that you say is needed to be seated with Christ in heavenly places

Well like i explained and as you have written , the gospels of jesus and paul are different now what will you do?

 

[Doug]

You are seated with Christ only if you obey his will and do as he said.

Go back here please
I am asking you to give me a verse from the four gospels Mark Luke John Matthew where believers are told they will go to heaven and be seated with Christ

 

[Doug]

Well like i explained and as you have written , the gospels of jesus and paul are different now what will you do?

I asked for a verse to show me where Jesus and the twelve told believers they would go to heaven....I will tell you that you won't because they didn't

What I will do is acknowledge that God has a purpose to reconcile heaven and earth
I will acknowledge the earth will be reconciled through believing Israel
I will acknowledge the heavens are reconciled through the body of Christ
Israel will reign with Christ on earth
The body of Christ will be seated in heavenly places
I will believe Peter and the twelve preached the name of Christ and the gospel of the kingdom and keeping the law
I will believe Paul preached the gospel of Christ. His gospel was without going thru Israel, without covenants, without the law
I believe Paul was sent by Christ and is our apostle in this dispensation

 

[LoveYeshua]

Go back here please
I am asking you to give me a verse from the four gospels Mark Luke John Matthew where believers are told they will go to heaven and be seated with Christ

First you sound angry" ! ASK YOU TO...." could you change your tone? also your questions are sometimes vague and I have to think on what you mean, could you be more precise with your questions please? Thank you.


In the Gospels, there are several passages where Jesus speaks about positions of authority and glory, though He doesn't use the exact phrase "seated with Me" as Paul does in Ephesians. In Mark 10:35-40, James and John approach Jesus with a request to sit at His right and left hand in His glory. They are asking for positions of honor when Jesus comes into His kingdom. Jesus responds by explaining that while they will indeed experience suffering as He does, the places on His right and left are not His to grant, but are prepared for those chosen by the Father. This shows that these positions of authority in His kingdom are not just for anyone, and they are tied to the willingness to follow Jesus, even through hardship.

"Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to Him, saying, 'Teacher, we want You to do for us whatever we ask.'
And He said to them, 'What do you want Me to do for you?'
They said to Him, 'Grant us that we may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on Your left, in Your glory.'
But Jesus said to them, 'You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?'
They said to Him, 'We are able.'
So Jesus said to them, 'You will indeed drink the cup that I drink, and with the baptism I am baptized with you will be baptized;
but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give; but it is for those for whom it is prepared.'"
Mark 10:35-40, NJKV​

In Matthew 19:28, Jesus tells His disciples that when the Son of Man sits on His throne of glory, they too will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. This promise of thrones reflects the authority and honor the disciples will have in the kingdom to come, sharing in Jesus' reign as they hold a position of judgment and leadership.

"So Jesus said to them, 'Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.'"
Matthew 19:28​

In Luke 22:29-30, Jesus tells His disciples that He is bestowing a kingdom upon them, just as the Father has given Him one. They will eat and drink at His table in His kingdom, and they will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. This is a direct promise to His followers, granting them a share in His eternal kingdom, with positions of honor and responsibility.

"And I bestow upon you a kingdom, just as My Father bestowed one upon Me, that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
Luke 22:29-30​

John 14:3, while not directly about sitting on thrones, Jesus assures His followers that He is preparing a place for them. He tells them that where He is going, they will be also. This promise speaks to the intimate union between Jesus and His followers, where they will be with Him in His Father's house, sharing in the glory and presence of God forever. Though not explicitly about sitting with Him in authority, it highlights the closeness and eternal fellowship that believers will have with Jesus.

"And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."
John 14:3 (NKJV)​

Also Revelation 3:21 (NKJV)

"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." Revelation 3:21 (NKJV)​

 

[LoveYeshua]

I asked for a verse to show me where Jesus and the twelve told believers they would go to heaven....I will tell you that you won't because they didn't

What I will do is acknowledge that God has a purpose to reconcile heaven and earth
I will acknowledge the earth will be reconciled through believing Israel
I will acknowledge the heavens are reconciled through the body of Christ
Israel will reign with Christ on earth
The body of Christ will be seated in heavenly places
I will believe Peter and the twelve preached the name of Christ and the gospel of the kingdom and keeping the law
I will believe Paul preached the gospel of Christ. His gospel was without going thru Israel, without covenants, without the law
I believe Paul was sent by Christ and is our apostle in this dispensation

you are wrong on many things here I can help you but ONE QUESTION AT A TIME PLEASE and remain polite or we are done. No need to be angry with me i am trying very hard to answer your question using scripture and not my personal opinion but with biblical facts. as yo have seen I give long and complete ( as mush as possible) answers but I cannot answer more than 1 or 2 questions per post it would be too long.

I have answered the first false affirmation; ""I asked for a verse to show me where Jesus and the twelve told believers they would go to heaven....I will tell you that you won't because they didn't""

i replied to this in post no 30 just above this one.

Please also remember I come here almost every day and cannot spend more than one hour or 2 at a time, so please be patient I will reply. but remember max 2 questions at a time.

Thank you for understanding.

Peace be with you.

 

[Doug]

First you sound angry" ! ASK YOU TO...." could you change your

sorry if you think that I am angry I am not....apologies none the less

 

[LoveYeshua]

sorry if you think that I am angry I am not....apologies none the less

No problen Doug I just wanted to know if all was O.K, did you like this answer? the verses?

THanks.

 

[Doug]

you are wrong on many things here I can help you but ONE QUESTION AT A TIME PLEASE

What I will do is acknowledge that God has a purpose to reconcile heaven and earth
I will acknowledge the earth will be reconciled through believing Israel
I will acknowledge the heavens are reconciled through the body of Christ
Israel will reign with Christ on earth
The body of Christ will be seated in heavenly places
I will believe Peter and the twelve preached the name of Christ and the gospel of the kingdom and keeping the law
I will believe Paul preached the gospel of Christ. His gospel was without going thru Israel, without covenants, without the law
I believe Paul was sent by Christ and is our apostle in this dispensation

You said I was wrong on many of these statements.... so please one at a time address what I am wrong on as you wish

 

[Doug]

the places on His right and left are not His to grant, but are prepared for those chosen by the Father. This shows that these positions of authority in His kingdom are not just for anyone, and they are tied to the willingness to follow Jesus, even through hardship.

Right
[Luk 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

I understand what you are saying......the disciples will sit in the kingdom on earth and reign with him
My thing is we have to recognize who this is spoken to and what dispensation.....Paul says he was given a new dispensation (Eph 3:2)
The offer of the kingdom was postponed until the tribulation.
The offer and promises of the kingdom were to Israel not us

 

[LoveYeshua]

What I will do is acknowledge that God has a purpose to reconcile heaven and earth

yes but also Gos's purpose is to reconcile Humanity with HIM, it is why he sentt Jesus to make this possible. remember we are made in GOD's image and we ARE GOD's children read JOHN 17 ( full chapte) it confirms we are his children and he wants us to be like him, he Holy as he is Holy.

I will acknowledge the earth will be reconciled through believing Israel

Israel is GOD's chosen people, anyone can join if they obey the 10 commandment. remember Israel did dosobey GOD in the desert and GOD made them err in the desert 40 years for this reason! we are to keep GOD's words at all time.

I will acknowledge the heavens are reconciled through the body of Christ
Israel will reign with Christ on earth
The body of Christ will be seated in heavenly places

yes!

I will believe Peter and the twelve preached the name of Christ and the gospel of the kingdom and keeping the law

YES!

I will believe Paul preached the gospel of Christ. His gospel was without going thru Israel, without covenants, without the law,

this contradicts Jesus and the rest of the bible, remember in hebrews paul spoke about the new covenant by quoting isaish 31:31-33? he alsi sais the law was just and good?

I believe Paul was sent by Christ and is our apostle in this dispensation

Paul was a servant of Christ like the 12, however the bible clearly states that is is Peter that was appointed by GOD to preach to the gentiles. Acts 15:7

You said I was wrong on many of these statements.... so please one at a time address what I am wrong on as you wish

these were short answers, if you want we can discuss any point.

Blessings.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Right
[Luk 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

I understand what you are saying......the disciples will sit in the kingdom on earth and reign with him
My thing is we have to recognize who this is spoken to and what dispensation.....Paul says he was given a new dispensation (Eph 3:2)
The offer of the kingdom was postponed until the tribulation.
The offer and promises of the kingdom were to Israel not us

I agree with wiht you stated, some would not but it is correct and in scripture but the last one ""The offer and promises of the kingdom were to Israel not us" is in part false. the promise of the kingdom is for First Israel Yes! bur also for anyone Who believe and do GOD's will that I am certain of!

The disciples were special people Blessed anongst all men!, chosen by GOD I am certain, they have special places with GOD in Heaven as it is written in the bible as an example I will give you this verse from;

Revelation 21:12-14 (NKJV):
"Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."​

This passage describes the structure of the New Jerusalem, which will be the dwelling place of God's people ( ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM AND FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENTS) in the new heaven and new earth. The twelve gates represent the twelve tribes of Israel, symbolizing God's covenant with His people, while the twelve foundations, bearing the names of the twelve apostles, represent the apostles' foundational role in establishing the Church and spreading the Gospel.
Blessings.

 

[Doug]

Also Revelation 3:21 (NKJV)

"To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." Revelation 3:21 ​

Just to note about this verse
John tells us who will overcome
[1Jo 5:5 KJV] 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

This is believing on the name of Jesus that he is the Son of God
We also believe that.....when Paul was converted he preached this....but he also preached that Christ died for our sins was buried and rose for our justification

 

[Doug]

yes but also Gos's purpose is to reconcile Humanity with HIM

Yes
[Tit 2:14 KJV] 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Not only us the body but Israel
[Eph 2:16 KJV] 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

 

[Doug]

Israel is GOD's chosen people, anyone can join if they obey the 10 commandment.

With all respect you can't join them in this dispensation

[Luk 13:7-8 KJV] 7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung [it]:

This parable is about the nation of Israel repenting to believe on Jesus and believe the gospel of the kingdom.....he only gave them so much time before withdrawing the offer

[Mat 24:14 KJV] 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The gospel of the kingdom will be preached again in the tribulation but is not preached today