Romans 6:22

[Michiah-Imla]

Study books aren't precious, they are useful for every denomination that has them in support of a particular bias

True!

If 2 Timothy 3 proves the sole sufficiency of Scripture, then, by analogy, Ephesians 4 would likewise prove the sufficiency of pastors and teachers

The scriptures give the perfect teaching.

A faithful man thoroughly knowledgeable of scripture can perfect others not thoroughly knowledgeable of scriptures.

One situation doesn’t undue the other. They both work together.

In these days, unlike in Paul days, knowledge has increased immensely with access to the scriptures being so easily attainable.

The Devil has no other recourse but to have his children flood the world with corruptible doctrines.

The Devil is crafty, and the various heresies out there are hard to spot unless you stay true to the Bible and keep the flesh dead.

 

[Behold]

Preach: Psa_40:9; Isa_61:1-3; Jon_3:2; Luk_4:18-19, Luk_9:60; Rom_10:15; Col_1:25, Col_1:28

be: Luk_7:4, Luk_7:23; Act_13:5 *marg. Rom_12:12; 1Ti_4:15-16
in: Joh_4:6-10, Joh_4:32-34; Act_16:13, Act_16:31-33, Act_20:7, Act_20:18-21, Act_28:16, Act_28:30-31

reprove: Col_1:28-29; 1Th_2:11-12, 1Th_5:14, 1Th_5:20; Tit_1:13, Tit_2:15; Heb_13:22; Rev_3:19
exhort: 1Ti_4:13
all: 2Ti_2:21, 2Ti_2:25,

Brothers, please, have a cup of tea, and get away from the computer for a while..
J.

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Being set free from sin, Romans 6:22, is the literal effect of the Blood of Jesus.

This is the "Victory" that Paul describes, that is the place of perfection, regarding a perfected discipleship.
To be born again is to have redemption from sin.
= > To no longer be under sin's power or dominion, which is caused by the Law.
"The Law is the power of Sin". 'The power of sin is the Law".,.

When Demas left Paul's ministry, He returned to the "world".
Did you notice that Paul never said he returned to his "sin", yet he returned to the same lifestyle he had before he was born again.

That's a mystery that is to be understood, regarding being in Christ, and being redeemed from all your sin.

The Deceived who have been taught ....>"your sin till the day of your salvation is paid for by Jesus, but now its ON YOUR BACK to sin confess your way clean, till the day you die". See 1 John 1:9 to discover how you can try to keep yourself saved, and good luck.

See that Lie? ????
Thats one of Satan's finest lies and " doctrine of devils.". And his liars will push 1 John 1:9 in you deeply, if you do not understand the BLOOD OF JESUS and why His""" one time Eternal Sacrifice as your sin bearer""", has redeemed you from all your sin.
Reader, when Jesus said to us from the Cross...>"it is finished"...>He was telling you the truth.
His "one time eternal Sacrifice""" paid for all your sin.
If you are confessing sin, then you have not understood what is "FINISHED", on the Cross.

Now, Here is a mystery for many to unlock.
The Cross was raised 2000 yrs ago, and the effect of its Redemption is still saving people tomorrow and the day after.
There goes your sin.
Tomorrow and the next day.
You can thank Jesus for that., and should.

So...
When a believer says they confess sin a lot, its because they dont understand that "being MADE free from sin" = has occurred.
They read Romans 4:8, and then 2 Corinthians 5:19 that says that God does not charge sin, because "God made Jesus to be sin".
And then they wonder why those verses are in the bible, when they confess their next sin.
The Problem???? They are chasing what is already occurred, so, that's a big problem.
Imagine what God thinks of a believer who has been "made righteous" by the Cross of Christ, who is trying to confess sin to stay saved for years and years.

See, Its a real spiritual issue to be chasing for life, what you've already been given by God for Free.
"the Gift of Righteousness".
Most Christians are stuck in spiritual reverse, confessing sin....for life.

Are you ?????

"being now made free from sin,""" is not a process to chase, its a STATE of existence that has occurred that you have to BELIEVE.
And once you begin to get this revelation, you will then take your first step into the real walk of faith., as Hebrews 13:9 defines the ones that see the Light of God's Grace, and it also strictly defines those who never did, and what happened to them because they could not see.
Or would not.

Jesus said "apart from Me, you can do nothing".
To do "nothing" as a Believer means you are trapped in a mind that is un-renewed, and your understanding of Salvation is blank.
This saved yet carnal person reads..... "being now made free from sin" and they think......"but i sin and confess" "and so should you", never mind Jesus on the Cross.
So,... is the bible wrong or are they wrong?
Paul says they are "fallen from Grace".

Are you ?

Paul wrote almost all the epistles and never once did he say He confessed any sin.
He said he was blameless in the law before he was born again...., and at one point was trying to do by self righteousness what God did through the Cross of Christ for Him.
He got that revelation, and went from...>"poor man that i am, who will deliver me from this body of death" to..>"CHRIST always gives me the Victory.""" "

Later, Paul said.....I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me
Its..>"being now made free from sin"... and " "i am crucified with Christ.....it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in Me". and i am "in Christ".
See that?
That's the final answer.
That is Paul's old man crucified...... and Paul the born again "in Christ", now lives".
He found rest in the Grace of God, as the power of Christ in Him, and he stopped trying to do by effort (legalism) what God had already provided from inside him when He was born again.
And you should too.
Read Hebrews 13:9 until you live there, in your faith. , "having your HEART established by GRACE".


The strange thing is...as i mentioned before......is that .you have "believers" who believe they are suppose to be sinning and confessing.
They are sitting on a Pew, week after week, being told this by a devil deceived Legalist or from a commentary designed by a devil...., and isn't that a pity, that they are so deceived...
They actually Believe that: "this is Christianity". '"sin, confess, repent, repeat".


No thats not real Christianity., but Reader...... the Devil is happy that you believe it, if im talking to you.

 

[Illuminator]

True!



The scriptures give the perfect teaching.

A faithful man thoroughly knowledgeable of scripture can perfect others not thoroughly knowledgeable of scriptures.

One situation doesn’t undue the other. They both work together.

In these days, unlike in Paul days, knowledge has increased immensely with access to the scriptures being so easily attainable.

The Devil has no other recourse but to have his children flood the world with corruptible doctrines.

The Devil is crafty, and the various heresies out there are hard to spot unless you stay true to the Bible and keep the flesh dead.

I'm glad for you, that you stay true to YOUR UNDERSTANDING of the Bible. That works for you. But Jesus founded an indestructible, hierarchical, infallible, visible, supernatural CHURCH, not a book club. He promised to be with us ALWAYS, until the end of time. He didn't take a 15 century vacation. Sure, sometimes the episcopate did some deplorable things, but they never formally taught error, because the Holy Spirit wouldn't let them.

You’re trying to set the Bible against the Church, which is typical Protestant methodology, and ultra-unbiblical. The Bible never does that. The example of the Jerusalem Council plainly shows the infallibility of the Church.

The Bible repeatedly teaches that the Church is indefectible; therefore, the hypothetical of rejecting the (one true, historic) Church, as supposedly going against the Bible, is impossible according to the Bible. It is not a situation that would ever come up, because of God’s promised protection.

What the Bible says is to reject those who cause divisions, which is the very essence of the onset of Protestantism: schism, sectarianism, and division. It is Protestantism that departed from the historic Church, which is indefectible and infallible (see also 1 Tim 3:15).

The one true Church is and always will be in harmony with God’s inspired revelation, the Bible. Thus, we reject any form of Protestantism, because they fail this test. It’s not a matter of one thing being “under” the other. All of that is the invention of the 16th century and the biblically bankrupt and meaningless notion of sola Scriptura. The Bible presents Scripture-Tradition-Church as a “three-legged stool”: the rule of faith. All are in harmony; all work together.

This is why we reject any form of Protestantism, because all fail the test of allegiance to God’s Word in Holy Scripture, and the historical pedigree that the fathers always taught was necessary. Every heretic in the history of the world thumbed their nose at the institutional Church and went by Scripture alone. It is the heretical worldview to do so, precisely because they know they can’t prove that their views were passed down through history in an unbroken succession.

Therefore, heresies and Protestantism either had to play games with history in order to pretend that it fits with their views, or ignore it altogether.
It is the pitting of the ultimate source against the secondary, human source (the Church) which is the problem in your approach and that of Protestantism in general. You guys don’t like human, institutional authority and don’t have enough faith to believe that God can and does preserve it, so you try to undermine it by fallacious arguments, as presently.

No doubt you aren’t even aware that you are doing it. To do this is automatic in Protestantism; it’s like breathing. It’s like the fish that doesn’t know it’s in water. It all comes from the rejection of the infallibility of the Church (which is one thing that sola Scriptura always entails).

We believe in faith that the Church is infallible and indefectible, based on many biblical indications. It is theoretically possible (speaking in terms of philosophy or epistemology) that the Church could stray and have to be rejected, but the Bible rules that out. We believe in faith that it has not and will not.

Protestants don’t have enough faith to believe that God could preserve an infallible Church, even though they can muster up even more faith than that, which is required to believe in an infallible Bible written by a bunch of sinners and hypocrites.

We simply have more faith than you guys do. It’s a supernatural gift. We believe that the authoritative Church is also a key part of God’s plan to save the souls of men. We follow the model of the Jerusalem Council, whereas you guys reject that or ignore it, because it doesn’t fit in with the man-made tradition of Michiah-Imla-ism and a supposedly non-infallible Church.

 

[Johann]

-
Being set free from sin, Romans 6:22, is the literal effect of the Blood of Jesus.

This is the "Victory" that Paul describes, that is the place of perfection, regarding a perfected discipleship.
To be born again is to have redemption from sin.
= > To no longer be under sin's power or dominion, which is caused by the Law.
"The Law is the power of Sin". 'The power of sin is the Law".,.

When Demas left Paul's ministry, He returned to the "world".
Did you notice that Paul never said he returned to his "sin", yet he returned to the same lifestyle he had before he was born again.

That's a mystery that is to be understood, regarding being in Christ, and being redeemed from all your sin.

The Deceived who have been taught ....>"your sin till the day of your salvation is paid for by Jesus, but now its ON YOUR BACK to sin confess your way clean, till the day you die". See 1 John 1:9 to discover how you can try to keep yourself saved, and good luck.

See that Lie? ????
Thats one of Satan's finest lies and " doctrine of devils.". And his liars will push 1 John 1:9 in you deeply, if you do not understand the BLOOD OF JESUS and why His""" one time Eternal Sacrifice as your sin bearer""", has redeemed you from all your sin.
Reader, when Jesus said to us from the Cross...>"it is finished"...>He was telling you the truth.
His "one time eternal Sacrifice""" paid for all your sin.
If you are confessing sin, then you have not understood what is "FINISHED", on the Cross.

Now, Here is a mystery for many to unlock.
The Cross was raised 2000 yrs ago, and the effect of its Redemption is still saving people tomorrow and the day after.
There goes your sin.
Tomorrow and the next day.
You can thank Jesus for that., and should.

So...
When a believer says they confess sin a lot, its because they dont understand that "being MADE free from sin" = has occurred.
They read Romans 4:8, and then 2 Corinthians 5:19 that says that God does not charge sin, because "God made Jesus to be sin".
And then they wonder why those verses are in the bible, when they confess their next sin.
The Problem???? They are chasing what is already occurred, so, that's a big problem.
Imagine what God thinks of a believer who has been "made righteous" by the Cross of Christ, who is trying to confess sin to stay saved for years and years.

See, Its a real spiritual issue to be chasing for life, what you've already been given by God for Free.
"the Gift of Righteousness".
Most Christians are stuck in spiritual reverse, confessing sin....for life.

Are you ?????

"being now made free from sin,""" is not a process to chase, its a STATE of existence that has occurred that you have to BELIEVE.
And once you begin to get this revelation, you will then take your first step into the real walk of faith., as Hebrews 13:9 defines the ones that see the Light of God's Grace, and it also strictly defines those who never did, and what happened to them because they could not see.
Or would not.

Jesus said "apart from Me, you can do nothing".
To do "nothing" as a Believer means you are trapped in a mind that is un-renewed, and your understanding of Salvation is blank.
This saved yet carnal person reads..... "being now made free from sin" and they think......"but i sin and confess" "and so should you", never mind Jesus on the Cross.
So,... is the bible wrong or are they wrong?
Paul says they are "fallen from Grace".

Are you ?

Paul wrote almost all the epistles and never once did he say He confessed any sin.
He said he was blameless in the law before he was born again...., and at one point was trying to do by self righteousness what God did through the Cross of Christ for Him.
He got that revelation, and went from...>"poor man that i am, who will deliver me from this body of death" to..>"CHRIST always gives me the Victory.""" "

Later, Paul said.....I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me
Its..>"being now made free from sin"... and " "i am crucified with Christ.....it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in Me". and i am "in Christ".
See that?
That's the final answer.
That is Paul's old man crucified...... and Paul the born again "in Christ", now lives".
He found rest in the Grace of God, as the power of Christ in Him, and he stopped trying to do by effort (legalism) what God had already provided from inside him when He was born again.
And you should too.
Read Hebrews 13:9 until you live there, in your faith. , "having your HEART established by GRACE".


The strange thing is...as i mentioned before......is that .you have "believers" who believe they are suppose to be sinning and confessing.
They are sitting on a Pew, week after week, being told this by a devil deceived Legalist or from a commentary designed by a devil...., and isn't that a pity, that they are so deceived...
They actually Believe that: "this is Christianity". '"sin, confess, repent, repeat".


No thats not real Christianity., but Reader...... the Devil is happy that you believe it, if im talking to you.

Some good points here

 

[Johann]

-
Being set free from sin, Romans 6:22, is the literal effect of the Blood of Jesus.

This is the "Victory" that Paul describes, that is the place of perfection, regarding a perfected discipleship.
To be born again is to have redemption from sin.
= > To no longer be under sin's power or dominion, which is caused by the Law.
"The Law is the power of Sin". 'The power of sin is the Law".,.

When Demas left Paul's ministry, He returned to the "world".
Did you notice that Paul never said he returned to his "sin", yet he returned to the same lifestyle he had before he was born again.

That's a mystery that is to be understood, regarding being in Christ, and being redeemed from all your sin.

The Deceived who have been taught ....>"your sin till the day of your salvation is paid for by Jesus, but now its ON YOUR BACK to sin confess your way clean, till the day you die". See 1 John 1:9 to discover how you can try to keep yourself saved, and good luck.

See that Lie? ????
Thats one of Satan's finest lies and " doctrine of devils.". And his liars will push 1 John 1:9 in you deeply, if you do not understand the BLOOD OF JESUS and why His""" one time Eternal Sacrifice as your sin bearer""", has redeemed you from all your sin.
Reader, when Jesus said to us from the Cross...>"it is finished"...>He was telling you the truth.
His "one time eternal Sacrifice""" paid for all your sin.
If you are confessing sin, then you have not understood what is "FINISHED", on the Cross.

Now, Here is a mystery for many to unlock.
The Cross was raised 2000 yrs ago, and the effect of its Redemption is still saving people tomorrow and the day after.
There goes your sin.
Tomorrow and the next day.
You can thank Jesus for that., and should.

So...
When a believer says they confess sin a lot, its because they dont understand that "being MADE free from sin" = has occurred.
They read Romans 4:8, and then 2 Corinthians 5:19 that says that God does not charge sin, because "God made Jesus to be sin".
And then they wonder why those verses are in the bible, when they confess their next sin.
The Problem???? They are chasing what is already occurred, so, that's a big problem.
Imagine what God thinks of a believer who has been "made righteous" by the Cross of Christ, who is trying to confess sin to stay saved for years and years.

See, Its a real spiritual issue to be chasing for life, what you've already been given by God for Free.
"the Gift of Righteousness".
Most Christians are stuck in spiritual reverse, confessing sin....for life.

Are you ?????

"being now made free from sin,""" is not a process to chase, its a STATE of existence that has occurred that you have to BELIEVE.
And once you begin to get this revelation, you will then take your first step into the real walk of faith., as Hebrews 13:9 defines the ones that see the Light of God's Grace, and it also strictly defines those who never did, and what happened to them because they could not see.
Or would not.

Jesus said "apart from Me, you can do nothing".
To do "nothing" as a Believer means you are trapped in a mind that is un-renewed, and your understanding of Salvation is blank.
This saved yet carnal person reads..... "being now made free from sin" and they think......"but i sin and confess" "and so should you", never mind Jesus on the Cross.
So,... is the bible wrong or are they wrong?
Paul says they are "fallen from Grace".

Are you ?

Paul wrote almost all the epistles and never once did he say He confessed any sin.
He said he was blameless in the law before he was born again...., and at one point was trying to do by self righteousness what God did through the Cross of Christ for Him.
He got that revelation, and went from...>"poor man that i am, who will deliver me from this body of death" to..>"CHRIST always gives me the Victory.""" "

Later, Paul said.....I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me
Its..>"being now made free from sin"... and " "i am crucified with Christ.....it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in Me". and i am "in Christ".
See that?
That's the final answer.
That is Paul's old man crucified...... and Paul the born again "in Christ", now lives".
He found rest in the Grace of God, as the power of Christ in Him, and he stopped trying to do by effort (legalism) what God had already provided from inside him when He was born again.
And you should too.
Read Hebrews 13:9 until you live there, in your faith. , "having your HEART established by GRACE".


The strange thing is...as i mentioned before......is that .you have "believers" who believe they are suppose to be sinning and confessing.
They are sitting on a Pew, week after week, being told this by a devil deceived Legalist or from a commentary designed by a devil...., and isn't that a pity, that they are so deceived...
They actually Believe that: "this is Christianity". '"sin, confess, repent, repeat".


No thats not real Christianity., but Reader...... the Devil is happy that you believe it, if im talking to you.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.


Yup, I can identify with Paul.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Then they aren’t saved.

“And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Romans 8:10)

Matthew 24:13) . . .the one who has endured to the end will be saved.

(Hebrews 10:36) For you need endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the fulfillment of the promise.

(Revelation 2:10) Do not be afraid of the things you are about to suffer. Look! The Devil will keep on throwing some of you into prison so that you may be fully put to the test, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Prove yourself faithful even to death, and I will give you the crown of life.

(1 Corinthians 9:27) . . .I pummel my body and lead it as a slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself should not become disapproved . . .

(Philippians 2:12) . . .keep working out your own salvation . . .

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Mt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

(Romans 10:10) . . .with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation. . .

(Hebrews 5:9) . . .after he had been made perfect, he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him,

(Romans 10:13) . . .For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.”

 

[Michiah-Imla]

you stay true to YOUR UNDERSTANDING of the Bible

This is ridiculous!

In what other setting does your statement make any sense?

“Your understanding”?

What kind of nonsense is this? It’s just mind games from control freaks. Gaslighting..,

Everyone who can read can understand what is written! We either OBEY the writing, or DISOBEY the writing.

Even the Pharisees never accused Jesus with the “your understanding” nonsense!

You make no sense at all!

You’re trying to set the Bible against the Church

No effort is required to set the Bible against crafty heretics!

It is evident who the heretics are!

Just quote a passage and see them spontaneously utter phrases like “out of context”, “your understanding”, like someone who has Tourette’s syndrome!

which is typical Protestant methodology

You are a Protestant against the Holy Bible.

Now go meditate on that!

 

[Johann]

-
Being set free from sin, Romans 6:22, is the literal effect of the Blood of Jesus.

This is the "Victory" that Paul describes, that is the place of perfection, regarding a perfected discipleship.
To be born again is to have redemption from sin.
= > To no longer be under sin's power or dominion, which is caused by the Law.
"The Law is the power of Sin". 'The power of sin is the Law".,.

When Demas left Paul's ministry, He returned to the "world".
Did you notice that Paul never said he returned to his "sin", yet he returned to the same lifestyle he had before he was born again.

That's a mystery that is to be understood, regarding being in Christ, and being redeemed from all your sin.

The Deceived who have been taught ....>"your sin till the day of your salvation is paid for by Jesus, but now its ON YOUR BACK to sin confess your way clean, till the day you die". See 1 John 1:9 to discover how you can try to keep yourself saved, and good luck.

See that Lie? ????
Thats one of Satan's finest lies and " doctrine of devils.". And his liars will push 1 John 1:9 in you deeply, if you do not understand the BLOOD OF JESUS and why His""" one time Eternal Sacrifice as your sin bearer""", has redeemed you from all your sin.
Reader, when Jesus said to us from the Cross...>"it is finished"...>He was telling you the truth.
His "one time eternal Sacrifice""" paid for all your sin.
If you are confessing sin, then you have not understood what is "FINISHED", on the Cross.

Now, Here is a mystery for many to unlock.
The Cross was raised 2000 yrs ago, and the effect of its Redemption is still saving people tomorrow and the day after.
There goes your sin.
Tomorrow and the next day.
You can thank Jesus for that., and should.

So...
When a believer says they confess sin a lot, its because they dont understand that "being MADE free from sin" = has occurred.
They read Romans 4:8, and then 2 Corinthians 5:19 that says that God does not charge sin, because "God made Jesus to be sin".
And then they wonder why those verses are in the bible, when they confess their next sin.
The Problem???? They are chasing what is already occurred, so, that's a big problem.
Imagine what God thinks of a believer who has been "made righteous" by the Cross of Christ, who is trying to confess sin to stay saved for years and years.

See, Its a real spiritual issue to be chasing for life, what you've already been given by God for Free.
"the Gift of Righteousness".
Most Christians are stuck in spiritual reverse, confessing sin....for life.

Are you ?????

"being now made free from sin,""" is not a process to chase, its a STATE of existence that has occurred that you have to BELIEVE.
And once you begin to get this revelation, you will then take your first step into the real walk of faith., as Hebrews 13:9 defines the ones that see the Light of God's Grace, and it also strictly defines those who never did, and what happened to them because they could not see.
Or would not.

Jesus said "apart from Me, you can do nothing".
To do "nothing" as a Believer means you are trapped in a mind that is un-renewed, and your understanding of Salvation is blank.
This saved yet carnal person reads..... "being now made free from sin" and they think......"but i sin and confess" "and so should you", never mind Jesus on the Cross.
So,... is the bible wrong or are they wrong?
Paul says they are "fallen from Grace".

Are you ?

Paul wrote almost all the epistles and never once did he say He confessed any sin.
He said he was blameless in the law before he was born again...., and at one point was trying to do by self righteousness what God did through the Cross of Christ for Him.
He got that revelation, and went from...>"poor man that i am, who will deliver me from this body of death" to..>"CHRIST always gives me the Victory.""" "

Later, Paul said.....I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me
Its..>"being now made free from sin"... and " "i am crucified with Christ.....it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in Me". and i am "in Christ".
See that?
That's the final answer.
That is Paul's old man crucified...... and Paul the born again "in Christ", now lives".
He found rest in the Grace of God, as the power of Christ in Him, and he stopped trying to do by effort (legalism) what God had already provided from inside him when He was born again.
And you should too.
Read Hebrews 13:9 until you live there, in your faith. , "having your HEART established by GRACE".


The strange thing is...as i mentioned before......is that .you have "believers" who believe they are suppose to be sinning and confessing.
They are sitting on a Pew, week after week, being told this by a devil deceived Legalist or from a commentary designed by a devil...., and isn't that a pity, that they are so deceived...
They actually Believe that: "this is Christianity". '"sin, confess, repent, repeat".


No thats not real Christianity., but Reader...... the Devil is happy that you believe it, if im talking to you.

Sinless perfectionism is arrogant.
I would suggest you listen carefully, as you are putting a lot of unstable, young believers in confusion, and God is not the author of confusion.

Listen to a genuine, born again believer in Christ, Mike Winger, and learn how to teach, this goes also to all those who "think" they have reached "entire sanctification" [a pipe dream] and hence can live in a state/condition of being sinless, in word, thought and deed, what about the sins of omission, unintentional/intentional sins?

 

[Behold]

Sinless perfectionism is arrogant.

You should have a cup of tea and think about what you are trying to prove., Johann.


LIsten..
"sinless perfection" is not related to what i teach.
Its related to what you teach, which is why its on your mind and in your posts.

You're not paying attention, or about 20 posts back, you would have realized that "sinless perfection" is a phrase created by Legalists to argue that Christians must sin.

You are completely lost in commentaries and videos and all sorts of junk theology, because you gave mind and faith to these idiots., and you are now a sinning and confessing "believer" who wants to prove that this is what Christianity is all about.
You've stated that you sin and confess a lot, and you BELIEVE that this must be the same case for the rest of us.
So, you have an issue there, you need to realize, and getting rid of all these people who have led you into a ruined faith and a "sinning and confessing', addiction, is a really smart thing to do, unless you want to keep doing it.
Do you?
Is that your plan?

I teach that sin has been redeemed, Jesus bore it, and the born again are not under the Law.
And based on the Power of Christ, the born again are not to live as "sinning Christians" as you and your cult videos and commentaries have taught YOU TO BELIEVE.

 

[Behold]

Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

You didnt read futher.
You stopped too soon.
You didnt read where He came to the revelation that law-keeping to try to be righteous before God is "DUNG".and that was the issue you posted as your verses.
His DELIVERANCE from his misery was by REVELATION, that you dont have yet, Johann.
You should read Philippians 3 and 4.

Then continue reading more of Paul and you'll find that he left that self righteousness, and discovered that "i can do all things Through Christ" because".. ."Christ always gives me the Victory".

And this same Victory over the world, the flesh and the devil, is REAL FAITH and real disciplehsip.

"sinning and confessing" is broken faith in charge and the end result is broken discipleship.

You'll never read a verse by Paul that says he confessed a SIN.

But you're doing it because you are deceived into thinking you are supposed to do it. That is what you BELIEVE. That is your FAITH, and Jesus said you will have what you say that you BELIEVE.
You believe that you are going to sin and confess, and so you do.
See it yet?

See, you stopped too soon.with Paul's teaching, as did your COMMENTARY>.
You didnt'read the rest of that Teaching that Paul was giving in a NT.
He didnt stop where you did, and you dont know that, and ive been showing you the rest of Paul's teaching on "sin" and "perfection"...for a few days now.

 

[Johann]

And based on the Power of Christ, the born again are not to live as "sinning Christians" as you and your cult videos and commentaries have taught YOU TO BELIEVE.

OK, now you are getting arrogant by calling me all sorts of things, breaking the second Imperative of Christ, the law of Christ, and while you do advocate sinless perfectionism, you are now turning the tables on me.

Stay in what God has called you to do, and leave me the heck alone brother, you don't understand a word I'm saying.

J.

 

[Behold]

OK, now you are getting arrogant by calling me all sorts of things, breaking the second Imperative of Christ, the law of Christ, and while you do advocate sinless perfectionism, you are now turning the tables on me.

Stay in what God has called you to do, and leave me the heck alone brother, you don't understand a word I'm saying.

J.

I dont advocate "sinless perfection"., so you are lying when you say that on my Thread.
You should stop lying., Johann
Listen,
You got that phrase (sinless perfection) from cultist's in Videos and in commentaries who told you.."now if any one teaches you dont have to live in sin, that is sinless perfectionism". and you believed them, and now you are "sinning and confessing a lot" as you stated to another person on my Thread.

See that?
That is where you got that TERM.. and look at what they have done to your Christianity.

Now here is the thing..

One of the most common issues that happens to someone who does not study the bible a lot, is that they find Paul and he writes this..

"that which i would do, i cant do, and that which i hate i do...who will deliver me from this """...

And the reader stops right there.......
Often, they read that in some Heretics commentary, who also stopped there......so, the writer and the reader end up in the same mess, the same broken faith.

You'll find these people who never read more of Paul's teaching, that he continues.......on forums like this one, talking about "sinning and confession" as if that is what they are supposed to do.
They will tell you that you will do it, and you can't ever stop, and if you believe you can, then you are wrong, as they can't....so, that means you can't.

Here.... is the issue they have..
They dont read a bible, they read commentaries that dont complete what Paul Teaches.
OR, they read a bible, but have not read the rest of what Paul Teaches regarding His issue.

Had.. they read the rest of Paul's teaching, they would have found that all of IT = was a teaching He was giving to show you how to stop sinning and confessing and live here......in God's Grace.

= 'as many as be perfect"

= "the fullness of the Stature of Christ".

That is REAL FAITH and REAL Discipleship.

And if you study Paul's epistles, you'll find that he never confessed a sin., not one, Johann
Why,??? = because Jesus bore ALL his Sin, and Paul received the "righteousness of God in Christ".

If you are born again, you have also received it, and in this knowledge of who you have become "in Christ", is the Power over your flesh, the world and the Devil.

Paul never had issues with any "sinning and confessing", and you can have this freedom also, as you are BORN AGAIN to walk in holiness, that is empowered to stay that way....like this....as Paul teaches.

="Christ always gives me the Victory"

 

[Wrangler]

You've stated that you sin and confess a lot, and you BELIEVE that this must be the same case for the rest of us.

I thought this was already covered. The Bible says to confess your sins to one another (fellow believers). Why would this be in Scripture to confess our sins to one another if we did not continue to sin?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your assembly, the Protestants, and all the other Bible perverting reprobate assemblies will stand before God one day and answer for their deceitful works.

All of you reprobates have your own study tools to keep the people inline.

I will never break under the intense pressure of this demonic force you are all under!

NEVER!!!

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12)

Says the guy who perverts the Scriptures and invents his own unBublical rules . . .

 

[Wrangler]

This is ridiculous!

In what other setting does your statement make any sense?

“Your understanding”?

What kind of nonsense is this? It’s just mind games from control freaks. Gaslighting..,

Everyone who can read can understand what is written! We either OBEY the writing, or DISOBEY the writing.

Even the Pharisees never accused Jesus with the “your understanding” nonsense!

Agreed. He is making an implied Appeal to Authority, claiming that you lack any authority from men to proclaim what you do. Common tactic among RCC.

 

[Wrangler]

You'll never read a verse by Paul that says he confessed a SIN.

I assume you are referring to after his conversion on the road to Damascus. Certainly, Paul confessed to being the chief sinner AND his verb tense is present tense, not past tense. So, there is that.

 

[Behold]

I thought this was already covered. The Bible says to confess your sins to one another

Your heretic's commentary rewrote the verse for you.

The verse says......."James 5:16, KJV: Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed.


"faults". not sins.

You would confess your SIN to God, not to a FORUM.


Wake up.
You need to think about what you are doing here, Johann.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The Bible says to confess your sins to one another (fellow believers).

Must be past sins before conversion.

People give testimonies of their past lifestyles to show a contrast to their new life in Christ.

Because:

“Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin” (1 John 3:9)

 

[Behold]

I assume you are referring to after his conversion on the road to Damascus. Certainly, Paul confessed to being the chief sinner AND his verb tense is present tense, not past tense. So, there is that.

Paul Wrote "that which i would do, i dont do, and that which i dont want to do, i do".

You quoted this verse and said you are "just like that'.

Well, Paul wrote that after His conversion as a TEACHING, in a LETTER, that is in the NT.
You didnt read the rest of the Teaching.......you only read where your commentary STOPPED.

I didnt stop there, Johann.....I teach the rest of Paul's Doctrine.

 

[Behold]

“Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin” (1 John 3:9)

That's the Born again Spirit.
Dont confuse that with your thinking, or your mind, or your desires, or your BODY.

Its the born again SPIRIT in that VERSE......>"whosoever is born again".. is the SPIRIT, and this Born again Spirit, is "in Christ"...>"one with God". and "can't sin".