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1Jn 1:8 if we may say—'we have not sin,'

If you believe that John the Apostle had sin, while he's telling these unsaved Jews about theirs then you have a bit of understanding left to learn regarding what it means to be born again.

And "Gnostics", "Gnosticism".... whose Father is Valentinus, was almost elected as a POPE of the "cult of Mary".

"Gnostics" do no believe in sin.
Gnostics, do not believe it exists.
That is nothing like the Truth, as sin slayed your Savior, Johann.
He gave His own life for all of yours.
So, your comparison is not a good one., not a true one, and certainly not worth your time to consider.

Gnostics are like Scientologists, or Mary Baker Eddy.
NONE of these believe in original sin, or sin in particular.

Also, when an Apostle says "we" when preaching to the lost.......in 1 John, or in Hebrews 10, you have to understand that they are not speaking about themselves.....they are using "we" but speaking ABOUT the sinful condition of the hearer.

If you've ever gone to a church service, that has an alter call, given.....
The Pastor will often talk about "our need of salvation".
But he has it already., but those lost people dont.
"Our" means THEM.........not Him.
That is the same as the apostle's saying...."we" but they are talking not about themselves, but to and for the benefit of the unbelievers.
 
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So, that is the literal SON/Daughter of God.......not your body or your mind or your thinking.
Being Joined to God, is to become "in Christ' and there is no sin found there.
You obviously did not read the "commentary" @Behold, who said anything about the reasoning, philosophizing?

Gnosticism harps on the body, soul and mind...and, sinless perfectionism is not obtainable in this life, not even Paul made such an outrageous claim.

I want to stay true to the Scriptures, and remain teachable.
You philosophize with words, and I have already observed some errors from you brother, and strangely, you are under the impression that I am not "born from above".....

I will accept correction from one, or two brothers here on this Forum, but not from you, no offense.

Have a blessed Sunday
J.
 
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"Gnostics" do no believe in sin.
Gnostics philosophize, with worldly oratory.

From gnosis=knowledge=esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation.
 
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The Contribution of 1 John to Redemptive Revelation
John does not name a church or region to which he writes. With Peter, the apostle to the Jews, John
was a pillar of the church in Jerusalem (Acts 3:1; 4:13,19; 8:14; Gal. 2:8–9). Tradition locates his
ministry in Ephesus after the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. It may be that he wrote predominantly
to Jewish believers, for he says they had known God’s commandment “from the beginning,” a time
frame reaching back to Genesis (1 John 1:1; 2:7,13–14; 3:8,11–12).
John’s epistle addresses a situation where false teachers denied that the man Jesus was the Christ
(2:22; 4:1–3; John 1:14). In Greek thinking, a spiritual being such as Christ could not become flesh.
This may be the heresy of Docetism, which taught that Christ appeared human but in fact was a spirit.

The false teachers may also have taught an early form of Gnosticism, for Irenaeus said that John wrote
his gospel against the heresy of Cerinthus, who claimed that the Christ-Spirit came upon Jesus at
baptism but left prior to the crucifixion. Such a divorce of spirit and body often implied that the acts of
the body do not affect spiritual life; thus John stresses righteous conduct to counteract these false
teachings.

Though at first working in the church, the false teachers eventually broke away to form their
own movement (1 John 2:18–19). This disruption in the church no doubt shook the confidence of the
remaining believers.

John responded to this crisis by writing a pastoral letter that drew a simple yet profound picture of the
difference between the children of God and the people of this world. The letter contains a series of stark
contrasts: life versus death (1:1–2; 2:25; 3:14–16; 5:11–13,16–17,20), light versus darkness (1:5–7; 2:8–
11), truth versus lies (1:6,8; 2:4,8,21–22,27; 3:7,18–19; 4:1,6; 5:6,20), righteousness and keeping God’s
commandments versus sin (2:3–4,7–8,29; 3:3–10,22–24; 4:21—5:3), and love versus hate (2:9–11;
3:10–18,23; 4:7–12,16–21; 5:1–3).

John’s message centers on God’s nature as light and love (1:5; 4:8,16), revealed in the person and
work of His Son. Jesus is both the Son of God and God Himself (5:20). He came in the flesh, as a real
man who could be seen and touched (1:1; 4:2). The Father sent His Son into the world to give life to
sinners (1:2; 4:9,14; 5:11–12), though the world hates God (3:13; 4:10). With Christ’s incarnation,
God’s light shone into the darkness (2:8), and His love was displayed (4:9). Christ brought a message
about God (1:5) and exemplified that message in His own sinless life (2:1,6,29; 3:5,7). He died as the
propitiation for sins (2:2; 4:10) to make His people completely clean and forgiven (1:7,9; 2:12), and
now He lives to intercede for His people as their heavenly Advocate when they sin (v. 1). He causes
blind sinners to know the true God (5:20) as the Spirit bears witness within them so they know the truth
of Christ (2:20,27; 4:2,6; 5:6,10). Christ has power to conquer the Devil and destroy sin in those united
to Himself by faith (3:5–9; 5:5) as the Spirit dwells in them (3:24; 4:12–13). One day, Christ will come
in glory so that the wicked will be ashamed (2:28) and God’s children will see Him as He is (3:2).
John uses three expressions—“born of God,” “abiding in him,” and “knowing him”—to describe how
God applies the work of Christ to the individual sinner. In the new birth, God produces a new nature
inclined to faith, love, and righteous activity (2:29; 3:8–9; 4:7; 5:1,4,18). The implanting of gospel truth
in the regenerated soul causes him to no longer deny his sinfulness but confess his sins to God (1:8–10).
God the Father makes him into His child and a stranger to this world (3:1), which is ruled by the Devil
(vv. 9–10).

John also struck a blow to Antinomianism and perfectionism.
Perfectionists claims the the "sinful nature is somehow miraculously, surgically removed as a cancer."

On your last points I will not dwell, we are not lawless brother.

Shalom
J.
 

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Gnosticism harps on the body, soul and mind...and, sinless perfectionism is not obtainable in this life, not even Paul made such an outrageous claim.


Christians have no sin, because "God has made JESUS to be sin" for the WORLD, but applied to the BELIEVER's only.
See that?
That's a reality, a spiritual reality for all the born again.


And, all i teach is Pauline Theology.

I never post anyone else's work, text, commentaries.........none of that.
Read my 300 + Threads and over 6300 posts on this Forum, or on any other forum, and you'll never find a post of mine that is a cut and paste of any other person's teaching.
I dont post Hebrew or Greek, because God does not use it, and who here can read it?
So, a person that does that is trying to pretend they are an authority, and that is just being a FAKE.
I dont use any of that, as i have Paul's epistles, and He got those from Jesus.
You'd do well to consider that, and follow suit.

Listen,

Paul teaches these, and they are not "outrageous", and when you learn to believe all this, you'll stop trying to prove you are a sinner, and that the Apostle's had sin.

= "Christ ALWAYS, gives me the Victory."

Paul also teaches... "as many as be Perfect".

Paul teaches ... "the fullness of the Stature of Christ"., is what we are to become down here.

Im not quite certain why you think and believe that you can't exist as Paul teaches, but, you'll just have to work that out, if you can.

God did not save you, or me, so that we have no power over sin, when in Fact Paul told you that "Christ always give the born again THE VICTORY".

Let me show you something that your favorite commentary writes can never show you, as they have never understood this, and will never.

Paul says...>"use not your LIBERTY for an occasion to the FLESH">

"an Occassion to the Flesh is a work of the flesh, and that is a SIN, is the meaning, if you are an unbeliever.
If you are born again then that is a "work of the Flesh"...

Paul says...>"use not your LIBERTY to do that"...
"Liberty", means......"i know that God does not charge me with my flesh works"... and so, Paul says that because we know that, we are not to abuse that LIBERTY.
Taken further, this means that the born again, should have such complete control over their carnality, that they would have to decided to go and enjoy it, vs, being a slave to it.

See that ?
Thats a fact you wont find in the teachings of your favorites.


1 John 4 teaches ..."As Christ IS.....so are the born again in THIS world"..
So, if we are like JESUS, according to JOHN, then did he need to confess his sin?

See that?
In THIS WORLD the born again are as Christ is.... So, is there any SIN in Christ?
Are you "In Christ"?
If you are not, then run to 1 John 1:9 and get saved along with those in that verse who need to confess and repent of their unbelief.


Also, "SIN" is only found when you are under and obligated to the Law and Commandments.
So, where there is no law, there is no sin, and "Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of THE LAW".
The curse of the Law is the law's right of dominion to proclaim those who are under it, that they are a SINNER.

When we are born again, we are under GRACE and Grace does not have any LAW in it.
Only Mercy.
Therefore the Born again do not exist under the law, so, the Law cannot define them as "sinners".
The born again, exist under GRACE, in The Kingdom of God., "having been translated from Darkness to LIGHT".
This LIGHT is were God exists, who Exists in LIGHT, and so do all the born again.

See all that??
Believe it.
 
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On your last points I will not dwell, we are not lawless brother.

Shalom
J.



Im an Heir of God
Im a Son of God
Im a joint Heir with Jesus
Im a Saint.
Im Translated from Darkness to LIGHT, being a child of the Light, and Jesus is the LIGHT of the World.
Im seated in Heavenly places
Im in the world but not of it.
Im IN Christ
Im One with God
Im Purchased with the Blood of Jesus.
Im made Righteous by the Blood Atonement


all the born again are the same.
 

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Gnostics philosophize, with worldly oratory.

From gnosis=knowledge=esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation.

True Gnostics, (jewish mystics) whose "daddy" is Valentinus, do not believe that sin exists.
They teach that there is no need for the Cross, no need for Jesus to die for sin, as sin does not exist.

The Satanic Bible teaches the same. (Anton LaVey)
It has one "law" in it.

"do as tho wilt, shall be the whole of the law'.

Look at this photo.
Notice the sole figure on the Balcony above the crowd., sort of hidden in the shadows.
That's Anton LaVey.
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Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - 1 John 3:9

commentaries" are being slam-dunked, but we shall continue to use them

Putting your eternal destination on the line using commentaries, huh?

Ooookaaay…

:hmhehm

The rebellious spirit lives on today…

“As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own [commentaries]” (Jeremiah 44:16-17)
 
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Paul says...>"use not your LIBERTY to do that"...
For (γὰρ)
Well may I speak thus strongly of those who thus overthrow your whole polity and enslave you, for ye are called for freedom.
liberty, 11
Rom_8:21 (2), 1Co_10:29, 2Co_3:17, Gal_2:4, Gal_5:1, Gal_5:13 (2), Jas_1:25, Jas_2:12, 1Pe_2:16, 2Pe_2:19
at, 1
1Co_7:39


Unto liberty (ἐπ' ἐλευθερίᾳ)
Better, for freedom. See on unto uncleanness, 1Th_4:7. Ἑπὶ marks the intention.
Only (μόνον)
For a similar use of the word, qualifying or limiting a general statement, comp. 1Co_7:39; Gal_2:10; Php_1:27; 2Th_2:7.

Use not liberty (τὴν ἐλευθερίαν)
Use is not in the Greek. We may supply hold or make or turn.
Occasion (ἀφορμὴν)

See on Rom_7:8. Almost exclusively in Paul.
To the flesh (τῃ σαρκί)

See on Rom_7:5. The flesh here represents lovelessness and selfishness. Christian freedom is not to be abused for selfish ends. Paul treats this subject at length in 1Co_8:1-13; 1Co_12:25, 1Co_12:26. Individual liberty is subject to the law of love and mutual service. Comp. 1Pe_2:16.
By love (διὰ τῆς ἀγάπης)
Or through love, through which faith works (Gal_5:6).
Vincent

You want to make Paul say...."Do not make your liberty/perfectionism...to do that...

When, as you may see, liberty/freedom has nothing to do with perfectionism brother.

Ye were called for freedom (ep' eleutheriāi eklēthēte). The same point as in Gal_5:1 made plainer by the use of ep' (on the basis of, for the purpose of). See note on 1Th_4:7 for this use of epi.
Only use not (monon mē). No word for “use” in the Greek. Probably supply trepete or strephete, “turn not your liberty into an occasion for the flesh” (eis aphormēn tēi sarki), as a spring board for license. On aphormē, see note on 2Co_5:12. Liberty so easily turns to license.
Robertson.

eleutheria
11x: liberty, freedom, 1Co_10:29; Gal_2:4.


Nothing here indicating perfectionism, maybe you are under the impression I sin as I please, far be it!

Enjoy your day brother.
 
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Putting your eternal destination on the line using commentaries, huh?

Ooookaaay…

:hmhehm

The rebellious spirit lives on today…

“As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own [commentaries]” (Jeremiah 44:16-17)
May God have mercy on you, before it's too late.
 
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Putting your eternal destination on the line using commentaries, huh?

Ooookaaay…

:hmhehm

The rebellious spirit lives on today…

“As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own [commentaries]” (Jeremiah 44:16-17)
Good morning TROLL. Sleep well?
May God have mercy on you, before it's too late INDEED. :pray:
 
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For (γὰρ)
Well may I speak thus strongly of those who thus overthrow your whole polity and enslave you, for ye are called for freedom.
liberty, 11
Rom_8:21 (2), 1Co_10:29, 2Co_3:17, Gal_2:4, Gal_5:1, Gal_5:13 (2), Jas_1:25, Jas_2:12, 1Pe_2:16, 2Pe_2:19
at, 1
1Co_7:39


Unto liberty (ἐπ' ἐλευθερίᾳ)
Better, for freedom. See on unto uncleanness, 1Th_4:7. Ἑπὶ marks the intention.
Only (μόνον)
For a similar use of the word, qualifying or limiting a general statement, comp. 1Co_7:39; Gal_2:10; Php_1:27; 2Th_2:7.



See on Rom_7:5. The flesh here represents lovelessness and selfishness

Honestly, your commentary author is not engaged with Paul.
At all.

So, I'll give you a key, regarding DISCERNING "christian authors"..... that is 100% accurate at all times.
Until you know if the person who wrote your literature , does not believe that they can lose their Salvation, then you have to conclude that they may be a Legalist.
Would you cut and paste a quote from this writer you are selling, that states that they do not believe that they or you can lose : Salvation.?
Post that for us.

You have to always find out the Soteriological belief system of a so called "christian" writer, or regarding the "New" Bible Translators, or the Pastor of your church, before you decide to give them your faith, as you have done.

Also.. Here is some of what Paul teaches about the Flesh

The "flesh" is :

a few things..

Its a mind that has "fallen from Grace".........Paul says that you are "in the FLESH" once you have lost faith that Christ keeps you saved.
He says you are "bewitched" when your faith becomes broken, as proven by the fact that you believe you can lose your Salvation.

Also,

Paul says that the "flesh" are works.

These are the works of the FLESH..

Galatians 5:19-21​

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,​

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like
 

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Posting nuggets from Romans 7 huh? Let’s deal with the sinners favorite passages that they THINK support their sin…

Yes,

“…when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.” (Romans 7:5)

“So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Romans 8:8-10)

So listen up Christian!

If you commit a sin after conversion (being born again), you committed it WILFULLY without any power from the flesh! Which is why this is written:

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

So:

“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?” (2 Corinthians 13:5)



That’s for those who haven’t done the next verse…
“So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.” (Romans 8:8-10)
Who was that addressed to Mick?:
(Romans 1:7) . . .to all those who are in Rome as God’s beloved ones, called to be holy ones:. . .

I assure you their body is still very much alive, and they are still quite capable of sin.
 

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@mailmandan @Johann

I don’t see “commentaries” in the ‘armor of God’ list below:

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. …Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with

1. truth, and having on the

2. breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the

3. gospel of peace; Above all, taking the

4. shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the

5. helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the

6. word of God:” (Ephesians 6:11-17)

If you truly believe that I’m your enemy and a troll, you are not using an instrument approved by the holy scriptures to stand against me.

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If you dont understand the Grace of God, then you will be found doing this...

"sinning, confessing, repenting"... REPEAT..... as your BELIEF system for life.

Do this instead, and leave that revolving door of broken faith behind.
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Paul says.......>"" I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me . """
Now notice, the "i am Crucified"....that is "the old man is crucified with Christ'"......that is Paul's flesh and sin nature.
This is why he tells you to "reckon it dead".., as if you dont, you will try to live the Christian life in your flesh, as willpower and striving against sin..... and that is .....>"dung".

Paul then says......"Christ lives IN ME"......and that is where the HOLY LIFE GENERATES as YOUR LIFE....as your discipleship.
That is Christ telling you, that "apart from me, you can do nothing"......

See it?

So, if you want to live of constant VICTORY, then you have to live it NOT apart from Christ, as that life is your flesh trying to DO and Become, in your own power, and when you do that, Jesus says....>"Apart from me, you can do nothing".

So...Have you been sinning and confessing for years?
Christ explains why. "apart from me you can do NOTHING".
So, where is the Victory that you are to live IN that Paul said Christ GIVES you.?
Its the Grace of God, Saint.
That is found in your faith, not in your discipleship.
See, discipleship fails when and because your Faith is wrong.

Sinning and confessing happens, because your Faith is wrong., which is the end result of not understanding the Blood Atonement and the Grace of God.
Wrong faith is.....>" what im doing to try to be good", vs......God has made me Righteous, and now i live in this right mind of Faith", having become the "righteousness of God in Christ".

Do, See the wrong mind.????
Its...>"what do i do to try to be good or, what i do to try to be righteous"..... Whereas the right mind of FAITH.. is..."I am eternally made righteous by the blood of Jesus, i am the righteousness of God in Christ"""........ As Christ is, so are the born again in this world".

See that MIND?
That is the RENEWED Mind that Paul tells you that you must adopt... so that it become your REAL FAITH, vs your broken faith or your lack of faith.
That Mind of faith is the Right Mind.....and it allows God to empower you through Christ to....>"Christ always gives me the Victory".

The renewed mind of REAL FAITH.. is Understanding who you have become IN CHRIST as a NEW CREATION< eternally joined to God, ""made righteous"", and not trying to earn that or perform it, is real faith in CHRIST.

The correct understanding of Salvation is to "have BECOME", as Salvation is "The Gift of Salvation" that makes you RIGHTEOUS before God, always.
Its not something you are trying to earn, or keep, or perform.
 
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@mailmandan @Johann

I don’t see “commentaries” in the ‘armor of God’ list below:

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. …Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with

1. truth, and having on the

2. breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the

3. gospel of peace; Above all, taking the

4. shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the

5. helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the

6. word of God:” (Ephesians 6:11-17)

If you truly believe that I’m your enemy and a troll, you are not using an instrument approved by the holy scriptures to stand against me.

;)
Acts 20:28 - Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. 31 Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears.
 
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