If you want me to comment. Then give 1 verse. Not 15. Because I can't respond to 15 and if I don't someone will say I'm ignoring the other verses.
Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology
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.. what God created in Christ Jesus?
Jesus is not creature. JW.
Abraham has everything to do with his seed (Jesus) whom God chose to bring into the world through the seed of Abraham.
Why are you rubbishing the Bible this way?
You are rubbishing the work of God by rubbishing the Christian gospel, my friend.
You side-stepped the question. You stated that there is no scripture that says that God ever humbled Himself. So how did Jesus exist in the form of God before He was born of a virgin and took on the form of a servant, humbling Himself?
Of what other man can such things be said? Man is creature. No other man existed before he was conceived by a woman through a man.
Yes, and this Christ Jesus our Lord came through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and that is written in the New Testament. The man came of human lineage, the Divine came of God.
Matthew 1:1 (KJV) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Luke 3:34-38 (KJV) Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech, Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
The subject matter of the New Testament that started in Acts chapter two is about what God created in the resurrected Christ Jesus. It is not about what is in Abraham.
The resurrected Christ Jesus is the seed of Abraham according to the flesh. The Son of God who has no human father. He did not stop being the seed of Abraham through His mother Mary after He rose again from the dead. He did not stop being a man. He will come back again as a man - the Man, Christ Jesus - to judge those who have been made alive by the Spirit of God through being born of the Spirit of Christ, as well as the dead. The "quick" and the dead.
Christians come from all the nations of the world. We don't lose our ethnicity when we become Christians, even as we identify as being Christians and one body, one Church, one holy people in Him, we still retain our ethnic heritage. You seem to be confusing the way Christians are to see one another as brothers/sisters in Christ, whether we are Jewish Christians or Gentile Christians without allowing our ethnic differences to cause divisions within the body of Christ. We are still ethnically residents of our country of birth, but more importantly in Christ we are all the same, Christians, regardless of what country we are born.
Please answer the above without sidestepping the questions, as you did below.
You said there is no verse anywhere in scripture that tells us that God humbled Himself. So answer these questions, please:
1. What other man existed in the form of God before he was born so that he could be made in the likeness of sinful men and take the form of a servant?
2. What other man was born of a virgin, i.e had no human father?
3. What other man was without sin?
4. What other man fulfilled the law?
5. What other man rose from the dead because death could not hold him?
6. What other man was considered worthy to bear the sin of many?
Ziggy
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Deuteronomy Chapter 26 is interesting regarding the Syrian (Gentile) and the Levites (Israel)
According to Chapter 26 it is the son of the Syrian that went down into Egypt that God brought salvation to.
Deu 26:5
And thou shalt speak and say before the LORD thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:
Deu 26:6
And the Egyptians evil entreated us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage:
Deu 26:7
And when we cried unto the LORD God of our fathers, the LORD heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labour, and our oppression:
Deu 26:8
And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders:
Deu 26:9
And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey.
Gen 25:20
And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
Mat 4:24
And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
This is the basket set before the Priest and the altar in Deuteronomy 26 and again those who stand on the sea of glass before the Lord in Revelation.
Rev 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
We can argue which came first the chicken or the egg, but either way you yolk it they both come from God who created them.
Was Noah an Israelite or a Gentile?
Was Adam an Israelite or a Gentile?
Before Israel there was neither Jew nor Greek. There were sons of God and sons of men.
There was the faithful and the faithless.
There was the righteous and the sinner.
Those that walked with God and those that chose their own way.
Again today we are under grace as it was in the days of Noah when there was neither Jew nor Greek only believers and unbelievers.
Today it is the spiritual nation of Christians which is made of all nations and nationalities that are called to bring forth the truth and the light to an ever darkening world.
There is no preemminence of one group over another. The only factor is faith in the creator of all.
Division is of the devil.
1Co 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
As long as we keep building the wall God will keep knocking it down.
It's futile really.
Time is shorter than you think.
Love your neighbor.
that is the whole answer.
Hugs
According to Chapter 26 it is the son of the Syrian that went down into Egypt that God brought salvation to.
Deu 26:5
And thou shalt speak and say before the LORD thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:
Deu 26:6
And the Egyptians evil entreated us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage:
Deu 26:7
And when we cried unto the LORD God of our fathers, the LORD heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labour, and our oppression:
Deu 26:8
And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders:
Deu 26:9
And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey.
Gen 25:20
And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Syrian of Padanaram, the sister to Laban the Syrian.
Mat 4:24
And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
This is the basket set before the Priest and the altar in Deuteronomy 26 and again those who stand on the sea of glass before the Lord in Revelation.
Rev 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
We can argue which came first the chicken or the egg, but either way you yolk it they both come from God who created them.
Was Noah an Israelite or a Gentile?
Was Adam an Israelite or a Gentile?
Before Israel there was neither Jew nor Greek. There were sons of God and sons of men.
There was the faithful and the faithless.
There was the righteous and the sinner.
Those that walked with God and those that chose their own way.
Again today we are under grace as it was in the days of Noah when there was neither Jew nor Greek only believers and unbelievers.
Today it is the spiritual nation of Christians which is made of all nations and nationalities that are called to bring forth the truth and the light to an ever darkening world.
There is no preemminence of one group over another. The only factor is faith in the creator of all.
Division is of the devil.
1Co 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
As long as we keep building the wall God will keep knocking it down.
It's futile really.
Time is shorter than you think.
Love your neighbor.
that is the whole answer.
Hugs
Ziggy
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Well it's a rolling theme. You dont need to comment on one verse. It's the concept of the verses laid side by side.
Read it like a story laid out through the ages.
Because what I do is take some from the old and some from the new and compare them together as a whole.
Mat 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
This is how I roll. If you prefer not to comment that's fine too.
Hugs
Ziggy
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If I don't fit in the box you are trying to put Christ in is when you say I'm not answering or sidestepping the question. All six of your listed statements fit with Jesus being the Messiah the only begotten son of God.
Ziggy
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You speak for yourself. How you see the ethnicity of people. I speak for the Scriptures. How it speaks about the ethnicity of people. As far as God is concerned...
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Ziggy
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Yes he is the seed of Abraham and Adam too. The New Testament is not about Adam or Abraham though both are mentioned. It's about the Christ. Here maybe this will help...
Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
It does not say to the Gentles and faithful brethren in Abraham...
Without Adam there would be no Abraham. The New Testament is not about Adam or Abraham though both are mentioned. It's about the Christ. Here maybe this will help...
Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
It does not say to the Gentles and faithful brethren in Abraham...
You continue to bring forth these arguments that are of no consequence for those who are being saved. You appear to be stoking derision rather than unity of faith and doctrine??? It makes no sense to argue we no longer belong to nations, tribes, kindreds and tongues when we become Christians. In the mind of God we are ALL (Christians) the same in Christ, which is why Christ says there is to be no division among believers because we are not all of the same ethnic origins.
Romans 4:17 (KJV) (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Romans 4:18 (KJV) Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
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