Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[covenantee]

You guys are Catholic. Is that what I'm dealing with? All your thoughts are Catholic. The first seventeen centuries were Catholic. Here let's run a test. How many of these Catholic doctrines do you believe...

1.) God is in control of everything that happens.
2.) The four gospels are written to Christians.
3.) Water baptism is relevant.
4.) We still have a sin nature.
5.) Dead people are alive.
6.) There's a trinity.

Apparently you've never heard of the apostate papacy.

It did not represent true Christian orthodoxy.

God ultimately raised up the Reformers of the Protestant Reformation to deliver His True Church.

Do you know the difference between Protestant and Catholic?

 

[Zao is life]

Apparently you've never heard of the apostate papacy.

It did not represent true Christian orthodoxy.

God ultimately raised up the Reformers of the Protestant Reformation to deliver His True Church.

Do you know the difference between Protestant and Catholic?

There's a hint in his post below in his #6 that he doesn't even believe in the Trinity!!!

You guys are Catholic. Is that what I'm dealing with? All your thoughts are Catholic. The first seventeen centuries were Catholic. Here let's run a test. How many of these Catholic doctrines do you believe...

1.) God is in control of everything that happens.
2.) The four gospels are written to Christians.
3.) Water baptism is relevant.
4.) We still have a sin nature.
5.) Dead people are alive.
6.) There's a trinity.

Aaah. So that's what we're dealing with. All along I thought all I was debating was a Dispensationalist - but it's far worse than that. That's what happens when you place your faith in man's word instead of the Word of God. You do not seek the Holy Spirit's help to understand the Word of God.

The four gospels are about Jesus, and I doubt that the four gospels were written for the benefit of those who are not even interested in the gospel.

The sin nature and dead people:

Colossians 3:3-6
"For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ (who is your life) appears, then you too will be revealed in glory with him.

So put to death whatever in your nature belongs to the earth: sexual immorality, impurity, shameful passion, evil desire, and greed which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience."

Romans 8:10-11
"And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you."

In your post you're attacking the Trinity, the biblical doctrine concerning water baptism, what the scriptures say about the sin nature, and the sovereign will of God - all of which is found in the very scriptures you have been implying all along that you believe.

How sneaky of you to imply that you believe the Bible.

You've also now betrayed the fact that you do not even know the difference between the doctrine of Jesus and His apostles as found in the Bible, and the list of Roman Catholic doctrines that, like your doctrines, are not biblical. So just because Roman Catholic doctrine does hold some biblical truth and therefore some doctrine in common with non-Roman Catholics, your false assertion is that everyone who believes biblical truth is a Roman Catholic.

Well you must be a Roman Catholic then, because you too believe false doctrines, albeit your list of false doctrines is different to theirs in some respects.​

 

[Zao is life]

"And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."

God created the Garden after the 7th Day of rest.

No He didn't. Adam lived in the sabbath rest of God in the Garden of Eden. The sabbath rest came to an end when Adam was expelled from Eden:

17 But to Adam he said,
"Because you obeyed your wife
and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,'
cursed is the ground thanks to you;
in painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
but you will eat the grain of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat food
until you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you will return."

Stop guessing!!

 

[Zao is life]

Then all will go to heaven regardless of their belief, because you state they are all naturally born into Christ, because like "Americans" Christ is not an ethnicity.

The only problem is that under the OT Covenant with Jacob, Israel was an ethnicity. The only ethnicity naturally born into Christ.

Today Christianity has been turned into a religion. Most having nothing to do with Christ, even more so than all those of Israel who are no longer Israel. Of course the term for Israel's religion today is Judaism. Paul was speaking more to that religion yet using the term Israel instead of Judaism. Back then they were called Judaizers. 10 of the 12 tribes had already been lost centuries prior in 720BC. The church is more splintered today than Israel was.

There are no natural branches today. If there are, then you cannot say Israel is being spiritually in Christ. That would make Israel still an ethnicity seperate from Christ. That is defining two Israels like those who have replaced the church with Israel. Since all have to be grafted in, why would some be born already naturally in Christ? At what age do these humans get cut off from Christ, so they are grafted back in?

If your great great great great great .. grandfather was Israel you would be naturally born of Israel, regardless of whether or not you believe.

You won't be in Christ who is in heaven in the bosom of the Father when you die if you do not believe, and you won't ever be part of His Kingdom on earth, i.e you won't be part of God's elect, a.k.a the Israel of God.

Stop guessing!!

 

[Peterlag]

There's a hint in his post below in his #6 that he doesn't even believe in the Trinity!!!

Aaah. So that's what we're dealing with. All along I thought all I was debating was a Dispensationalist - but it's far worse than that. That's what happens when you place your faith in man's word instead of the Word of God. You do not seek the Holy Spirit's help to understand the Word of God.

The four gospels are about Jesus, and I doubt that the four gospels were written for the benefit of those who are not even interested in the gospel.

The sin nature and dead people:

Colossians 3:3-6
"For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ (who is your life) appears, then you too will be revealed in glory with him.

So put to death whatever in your nature belongs to the earth: sexual immorality, impurity, shameful passion, evil desire, and greed which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience."

Romans 8:10-11
"And if Christ is in you, indeed the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you."

In your post you're attacking the Trinity, the biblical doctrine concerning water baptism, what the scriptures say about the sin nature, and the sovereign will of God - all of which is found in the very scriptures you have been implying all along that you believe.

How sneaky of you to imply that you believe the Bible.

You've also now betrayed the fact that you do not even know the difference between the doctrine of Jesus and His apostles as found in the Bible, and the list of Roman Catholic doctrines that, like your doctrines, are not biblical. So just because Roman Catholic doctrine does hold some biblical truth and therefore some doctrine in common with non-Roman Catholics, your false assertion is that everyone who believes biblical truth is a Roman Catholic.

Well you must be a Roman Catholic then, because you too believe false doctrines, albeit your list of false doctrines is different to theirs in some respects.​

So I'm right. It's the Catholics you follow and you call it the true Bible.

 

[Peterlag]

Apparently you've never heard of the apostate papacy.

It did not represent true Christian orthodoxy.

God ultimately raised up the Reformers of the Protestant Reformation to deliver His True Church.

Do you know the difference between Protestant and Catholic?

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

 

[covenantee]

Much of the Roman Catholic doctrine was assimilated into Protestantism and is still being passed along as Christian groups continue to split off from one another. In a nutshell that is why even the independent church in your neighborhood today most probably believes that there is a trinity, dead people are alive, God is in control of everything that happens, the Four Gospels are written to Christians, and water baptism is relevant. And then there's everything that you know about our sin nature was taught to you by them.

Roman Catholics believe in God.​

You believe in God, therefore you are a Roman Catholic.

​

Ignatius referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic. ​

Polycarp referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic. ​

Theophilus referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic. ​

Tertullian referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic.​

Hippolytus referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic.​

Origen referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic.​

All of these preceded the appearance of institutionalized Roman Catholicism by at least a century.

 

[covenantee]

So I'm right. It's the Catholics you follow and you call it the true Bible.

What Bible do you call "true"?

 

[No Pre-TB]

and that Jesus is God.

Isn’t Christ the Alpha and Omega?
Rev 1:11 and Rev 1:18
Rev 22:12-13 and Isaiah 44:6
If God is the beginning and the end, and so is Christ, than Christ is God.

John 20:28 Thomas calls him God
John 8:58
John 10:33
Isaiah 9:6 the son born called the mighty God

 

[rwb]

You will know that Christmas is near when you see people in the West putting lights outside their houses and public buildings, hanging lights across their streets, hanging up decorations and decorating trees inside their homes,

and you will also see images everywhere of a man with grey hair and a long grey beard and a pot belly in a red suit carrying a bag over his shoulder, getting out of a sleigh pulled by reindeer,

Therefore just as surely as you know that winter is coming when you see that the leaves are falling from the trees, you will know that Christmas HAS ALREADY COME when you see all these things

(because the falling leaves coming soon before winter are symbolic of the entire year, and Christmas, which those falling leaves indicate has already come, is near, even at the doors) *

* The meaning of the fig tree putting out leaves mentioned by Jesus in the Olivet Discourse, according to rwb.

Again, your example of Christmas coming is no different than the leaves on trees beginning to show life in due season year after year. The same applies to the Christmas celebration with all the festive fanfare and commercialism. How does this holiday seasonally repeated prove the Lord's second coming is near and even at the door? It doesn't! That's because the parable of the fig tree, like all the other parables of Jesus are to prove to His saints that the spiritual Kingdom of God has already come with power, and that Christ is at the doors, and very near to whosoever shall call on Him by grace through faith when they hear the Gospel proclaimed in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:13 (KJV) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[covenantee]

So we do not agree. The doctrine you follow is the Catholic doctrine. They were the first to teach the whole Bible was written to everyone and that Jesus is God.

You don't believe that Jesus is God?

John 10
30 I and my Father are one.

Various cults do not believe that Jesus is God.

Are you one of them?

 

[Zao is life]

Isn’t Christ the Alpha and Omega?
Rev 1:11 and Rev 1:18
Rev 22:12-13 and Isaiah 44:6
If God is the beginning and the end, and so is Christ, than Christ is God.

John 20:28 Thomas calls him God
John 8:58
John 10:33
Isaiah 9:6 the son born called the mighty God

@Peterlag You deny God and the scriptures by denying the Trinity, because the Trinity is 100% biblical.

Psalm 33:6
Son (the Word) Father (the LORD) Holy Spirit (breath of God).
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Colossians 1:16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

He is the logos (mind, wisdom, understanding, reasoning, expression or word) of God, and was from everlasting:

Proverbs 8:22-26
"The LORD possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was anointed from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth ever was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no springs heavy with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I travailed; before He had made the earth, or the fields or the highest part of the dust of the world.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

Only one God, only one Savior

Isaiah 43:10-13
"You are My witnesses, says the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me no God was formed, nor shall there be after Me. I, I am the LORD; and there is none to save besides Me. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shown, when there was no strange god among you; therefore you are My witnesses, says the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was, I am He; and no one delivers out of My hand; I will work, and who will reverse it?"

Isaiah 45:20-25
"Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, escaped ones of the nations; those who set up the wood of their graven image, and those that pray to a god that cannot save. They know nothing. Declare and bring near; yea, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this of old? Who has told it from then? Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none besides Me.

Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
He says, Only in the LORD do I have righteousness and strength; even to Him he comes. And they are ashamed, all who are angry with Him. In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory."

We are justified in God. We are justified in Christ:

Romans 3:23-24
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 1:1-4
"Paul, a servant of God (Greek: θεός theós) and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, in the acknowledging of the truth which is according to godliness on hope of eternal life, which God. who cannot lie,
promised before the eternal times, but revealed in its own times in a proclamation of His word, with which I was entrusted by the command of God (Greek: θεός theós) our Savior,
to Titus, a true child according to our common faith. Grace mercy and peace from God (Greek: θεός theós) the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior."

Philippians 2:5-11
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

John 14:7-11
Jesus said to Philip, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also. And from now on you know Him and have seen Him."
Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me?
The words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves."

2 Corinthians 5:19
God (θεός theós) was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and putting the word of reconciliation in us.

1 Timothy 3:16 (Received Text)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God (θεός theós) * was manifest (φανερόω phaneróō) in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

* Some manuscripts have "He was manifest in the flesh".

John 17:6
"I have manifested (φανερόω phaneróō) your name to the men you gave me out of the world. They belonged to you, and you gave them to me, and they have obeyed your word."

John 21:14
This is now the third time that Jesus was revealed (φανερόω phaneróō) to His disciples, He being risen from the dead.

There are so many more scriptures that teach us about the Trinity - far too many for one post.

Psalm 33:6
Son (the Word) Father (the LORD) Holy Spirit (breath of God).
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

If you deny that Jesus is God, you are denying the Father also.

1 John 2:22-24
Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let that therefore abide in you, which all of you have heard from the beginning. If that which all of you have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, all of you also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

 

[Peterlag]

@Peterlag You deny God and the scriptures by denying the Trinity, because the Trinity is 100% biblical.

Psalm 33:6
Son (the Word) Father (the LORD) Holy Spirit (breath of God).
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Colossians 1:16-17
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

He is the logos (mind, wisdom, understanding, reasoning, expression or word) of God, and was from everlasting:

Proverbs 8:22-26
"The LORD possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was anointed from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth ever was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no springs heavy with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I travailed; before He had made the earth, or the fields or the highest part of the dust of the world.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and of truth.

Only one God, only one Savior

Isaiah 43:10-13
"You are My witnesses, says the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me no God was formed, nor shall there be after Me. I, I am the LORD; and there is none to save besides Me. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shown, when there was no strange god among you; therefore you are My witnesses, says the LORD, that I am God. Yea, before the day was, I am He; and no one delivers out of My hand; I will work, and who will reverse it?"

Isaiah 45:20-25
"Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, escaped ones of the nations; those who set up the wood of their graven image, and those that pray to a god that cannot save. They know nothing. Declare and bring near; yea, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this of old? Who has told it from then? Is it not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none besides Me.

Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
He says, Only in the LORD do I have righteousness and strength; even to Him he comes. And they are ashamed, all who are angry with Him. In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory."

We are justified in God. We are justified in Christ:

Romans 3:23-24
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Titus 1:1-4
"Paul, a servant of God (Greek: θεός theós) and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, in the acknowledging of the truth which is according to godliness on hope of eternal life, which God. who cannot lie,
promised before the eternal times, but revealed in its own times in a proclamation of His word, with which I was entrusted by the command of God (Greek: θεός theós) our Savior,
to Titus, a true child according to our common faith. Grace mercy and peace from God (Greek: θεός theós) the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior."

Philippians 2:5-11
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

John 14:7-11
Jesus said to Philip, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also. And from now on you know Him and have seen Him."
Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father? Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me?
The words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves."

2 Corinthians 5:19
God (θεός theós) was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and putting the word of reconciliation in us.

1 Timothy 3:16 (Received Text)
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God (θεός theós) * was manifest (φανερόω phaneróō) in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.

* Some manuscripts have "He was manifest in the flesh".

John 17:6
"I have manifested (φανερόω phaneróō) your name to the men you gave me out of the world. They belonged to you, and you gave them to me, and they have obeyed your word."

John 21:14
This is now the third time that Jesus was revealed (φανερόω phaneróō) to His disciples, He being risen from the dead.

There are so many more scriptures that teach us about the Trinity - far too many for one post.

Psalm 33:6
Son (the Word) Father (the LORD) Holy Spirit (breath of God).
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

John 1:1-4
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

If you deny that Jesus is God, you are denying the Father also.

1 John 2:22-24
Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father: he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let that therefore abide in you, which all of you have heard from the beginning. If that which all of you have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, all of you also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

You don't believe that Jesus is God?

John 10
30 I and my Father are one.

Various cults do not believe that Jesus is God.

Are you one of them?

There is no reason to take this verse to mean that Christ was saying that he and the Father make up "one God." The phrase was a common one, and even today if someone used it, people would know exactly what they meant... he and his Father are very much alike. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians about his ministry there, he said that he had planted the seed and Apollos had watered it. Then he said, "... he who plants and he who waters are one..." (1 Corinthians 3:8 NKJV). In the Greek texts, the wording of Paul is the same as that in John 10:30, yet no one claims that Paul and Apollos make up "one being." Christ uses the concept of "being one" in other places, and from them one can see that "one purpose" is what is meant. John 11:52 says Jesus was to die to make all God's children "one." In John 17:11, 21 and 22, Jesus prayed to God that his followers would be "one" as he and God were "one." I think it's obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being in "substance" just as he and his Father were one being or "substance." I believe the meaning is clear: Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose.

 

[Zao is life]

There is no reason to take this verse to mean that Christ was saying that he and the Father make up "one God." The phrase was a common one, and even today if someone used it, people would know exactly what they meant... he and his Father are very much alike. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians about his ministry there, he said that he had planted the seed and Apollos had watered it. Then he said, "... he who plants and he who waters are one..." (1 Corinthians 3:8 NKJV). In the Greek texts, the wording of Paul is the same as that in John 10:30, yet no one claims that Paul and Apollos make up "one being." Christ uses the concept of "being one" in other places, and from them one can see that "one purpose" is what is meant. John 11:52 says Jesus was to die to make all God's children "one." In John 17:11, 21 and 22, Jesus prayed to God that his followers would be "one" as he and God were "one." I think it's obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being in "substance" just as he and his Father were one being or "substance." I believe the meaning is clear: Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose.

Enough of denying the Father and the Son. You have exposed your antichrist stance.

There is only one God, one Savior.

Isaiah 45:21-25
There is no other God besides Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none besides Me. Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
He says, Only in the LORD do I have righteousness and strength; even to Him he comes. And they are ashamed, all who are angry with Him. In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory."

We are justified in God. We are justified in Christ:

Romans 3:23-24
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

 

[ewq1938]

Enough of denying the Father and the Son. You have exposed your antichrist stance.

There is only one God, one Savior.

Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
He says, Only in the LORD do I have righteousness and strength; even to Him he comes. And they are ashamed, all who are angry with Him. In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory."

We are justified in God. We are justified in Christ:

Romans 3:23-24
For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

No non-Trinitarian has ever been able to deny or argue against what I have in the last line of my signature.

 

[Pierac]

If you have Scripture which contradicts Romans 9:6-8 et al, feel free to post it.

But I posted in support of Romans 9:6-8.... did you not read my post??? The other Paul in scripture...told us no less than 6 times... All is of God! Now read my post again... knowing this fact!!!

 

[brightfame52]

Bringing in the fulness of the Gentiles is how all Israel shall be saved. Not ethnic national israel, its been extinct from the purpose of God in a Salvation sense, the Israel that shall be saved is Abrahams Spiritual Seed Israel, a people of all nations.

 

[Zao is life]

Roman Catholics believe in God.​

You believe in God, therefore you are a Roman Catholic.

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Ignatius referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic. ​

Polycarp referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic. ​

Theophilus referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic. ​

Tertullian referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic.​

Hippolytus referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic.​

Origen referred to the Trinity. He wasn't Roman Catholic.​

All of these preceded the appearance of institutionalized Roman Catholicism by at least a century.

Apostles Creed

James Richardson Webmaster Author

apostles-creed.org

@Peterlag Each of these "Early Church Fathers" taught the Trinity from way before the first Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. The dates when each lived makes it very obvious that beginning with the apostles, the Trinity doctrine existed from the first generation of Christians onward. The above site quotes what each person said regarding the Trinity:

1. Ignatius a.d. 30–107
2. Justin Martyr a.d. 110–165
3. Ireneaus a.d. 120–202
4. Clement of Alexandria a.d. 153–217
5. Tertullian a.d. 145–220
6. Origen a.d. 185–254
7. Cyprian a.d. 200–258
8. Dionysius, Bishop of Alexandria a.d. 200–265
9. Novatian a.d. 210–280
10. Alexander, Bishop of Alexandria a.d. 273–326

-- FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA --- 325 A.D

11. Augustine of Hippo a.d. 354–430

 

[Peterlag]

Apostles Creed

James Richardson Webmaster Author

apostles-creed.org

@Peterlag Each of these "Early Church Fathers" taught the Trinity from way before the first Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. The dates when each lived makes it very obvious that beginning with the apostles, the Trinity doctrine existed from the first generation of Christians onward. The above site quotes what each person said regarding the Trinity:

1. Ignatius a.d. 30–107
2. Justin Martyr a.d. 110–165
3. Ireneaus a.d. 120–202
4. Clement of Alexandria a.d. 153–217
5. Tertullian a.d. 145–220
6. Origen a.d. 185–254
7. Cyprian a.d. 200–258
8. Dionysius, Bishop of Alexandria a.d. 200–265
9. Novatian a.d. 210–280
10. Alexander, Bishop of Alexandria a.d. 273–326

-- FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA --- 325 A.D

11. Augustine of Hippo a.d. 354–430

There is no teaching anywhere in the Christian Bible on this subject. There's only a few of you folks yelling at me that I'm blind and can't see it. There is no place in the Old or New Testament where a chapter or two is taught on this subject. You only have a few verses scattered in different parts that you say teach it. And everyone of them does not hold any water once you look at it with an intelligent eye ball. For an example I gave you just last night John 10:30.

 

[Davy]

There is no teaching anywhere in the Christian Bible on this subject. There's only a few of you folks yelling at me that I'm blind and can't see it. There is no place in the Old or New Testament where a chapter or two is taught on this subject. You only have a few verses scattered in different parts that you say teach it. And everyone of them does not hold any water once you look at it with an intelligent eye ball. For an example I gave you just last night John 10:30.

Nay... there's plenty of Scripture examples that there's 3 Persons that make up The Godhead.

Heb 1:1-3
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
KJV

Matt 1:21-23
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call His name JESUS: for He shall save His people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 'Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel', which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV


Heb 1:8
8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom."
KJV

Matt 22:41-45
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, "What think ye of Christ? whose son is He?" They say unto him, "The Son of David."
43 He saith unto them, "How then doth David in spirit call Him Lord, saying,
44 'The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit Thou on My right hand, till I make Thine enemies Thy footstool?'
45 If David then call Him Lord, how is He his son?"
KJV

Matt 28:18-19
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, "All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
KJV

Eph 2:18
18 For through Him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
KJV

2 Cor 13:14
14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
KJV