Revelation 9:1 - 11 Who are these locusts representing?

[Marvelloustime]

Get back daily to reading those bibles and stay in prayers to the Lord. The only way to receive everlasting life is believing in the biblical Lord Jesus Christ. Be ready. His return is very close.

 

[amigo de christo]

The basis for the concept of Interfaith, has its origins with the Zionist Jews, not the Pope!!
The Pope is only following/obeying the Jewish concept as a true modern day Pharisee (religionist), that he is.

The origin of "Interfaith" is being based on a Jewish understanding, that they call The Noahide Laws, of which strongly appeal to the desires of "the natural man". 1 Cor. 2:14.

The Noahide Laws: (my insertion: how to love "the things of this world" and yourself as "the natural man" (??).

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-

Every "born again" Christian should beware of the subtil words in The Noahide Laws.
Please see 1 Cor. 2:5; 1 John 2:5.

The time to flee such places is NOW . many continue to sit under false doctrine which is total bad news .
As far as the concept of interfaith , its origins may very well have been within The jewish realm itself .
SEEMS SO . this concept has been around a long , long time .
My advice to all is heed no such concepts , come out from amongst them lest one partakes of its sin
and receieve of her plagues . fOR STRONG IS THE LORD GOD who shall judge this harlot and all who sat under it and loved
and made a lie .

 

[Earburner]

I do, I thought you had one as well.

I would expect you to do your own work by laying a thing out. I lay out all my own. I am not fetching everyone elses verses.

Its called not being lazy


If you promise first yes.

In Posts #299 and #301 I gave the scripture ref. Rev. 9:13-21, with my understanding.
If you disagreed, that's fine, but you haven't made mention of your understanding as of yet.
In time now, I believe that we are in between Rev. 9:1-12 and 13-21.

Yes, I am for a mutual agreement, to stop with the emotions of our flesh, and to stay with the mind of Christ within us.

 

[amigo de christo]

Get back daily to reading those bibles and stay in prayers to the Lord. The only way to receive everlasting life is believing in the biblical Lord Jesus Christ. Be ready. His return is very close.

 

[Earburner]

Back to the thread, looking at smoke and see what various scriptures show

Since this is where the King of pride (whose name is associated to pride's actual outcome)
being "Destruction" Here's an interesting connection

To be "lifted up in pride" G5187 is "to smoke"

As Paul says here

1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being "lifted up with pride"G5187 he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

G5187 lifted up with pride

Which is to raise a smoke

to raise a smoke, to wrap in a mist

metaph.

to make proud, puff up with pride, render insolent

to be puffed up with haughtiness or pride

to blind with pride or conceit, to render foolish or stupid

And here in Isaiah 9:18 "The lifting up of smoke" H1348

Isaiah 9:18 For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up H1348 of smoke.

H1348 the lifting up

Includes the definition of pride

majesty

a rising up (of column of smoke)

a swelling (of sea)

majesty (of God)

pride

The locusts have crowns like gold. Rev 9:7 and in Nah 3:17 Thy crowned are as the locusts

The scripture shows us crowns of pride

Isaiah 28:1 Woe to the crown of pride, H1348 to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

Which will trodden under feet

Isaiah 28:3 The crown of pride, H1348 the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

We also have treading shown in relation to these again

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

It speaks of breaking the pride of your power here

Lev 26:19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass

Paul says, he will know not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.

1 Cr 4:19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord will, and will know, not the speech of them which are puffed up, but the power.

Leviathan scales are his pride

Job 41:15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.

The blinding nature of scales

Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

And again, Leviathan here too

Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

Highminded, as Paul says,

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.

Condescend to men of low estate

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

The sun and the air are darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. The lifting up of smoke can be shown as pride, and pride itself is also shown as a power, scales being related to pride darkening effect, whether in the mind and/or heart or the light of the sun which could represent the light of the gospel

He being the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience

2 Cr 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

I will try add more and find a better rearrangement for the order of things tommorrow Lord willing, this needs better arranging

Edited it a bit

That's quite a lot, and nicely done. My simple takeaway is "smoke" is figuratively applied to an operation whereby one is under cover attempting to deceive others, having a subtil appearance of benevolence, but purposely delivering a foul and corrupt outcome.
Surely we can agree, that is exactly how COVID was presented and carried out, disguised by the smoke of benevolence, but with the subtil intention to inflict harm (hurt).

I should add the word: incognito.

 

[amigo de christo]

That's quite a lot, and nicely done. My simple takeaway is "smoke" is figuratively applied to an operation whereby one is under cover attempting to deceive others, having a subtil appearance of benevolence, but purposely delivering a foul and corrupt outcome.
Surely we can agree, that is exactly how COVID was carried out, disguised by the smoke of benevolence, but with the subtil intention to inflict harm (hurt).

I should add the word: incognito.

This man never once touched that nasty vaccine either . they can keep it .

 

[Earburner]

The time to flee such places is NOW . many continue to sit under false doctrine which is total bad news .
As far as the concept of interfaith , its origins may very well have been within The jewish realm itself .
SEEMS SO . this concept has been around a long , long time .
My advice to all is heed no such concepts , come out from amongst them lest one partakes of its sin
and receieve of her plagues . fOR STRONG IS THE LORD GOD who shall judge this harlot and all who sat under it and loved
and made a lie .

Might I add that THE mother of harlots is not the RCC. It is only one of the many harlots.

So then, let's find the "mother":
In Gal. ch. 4, there are only two prophetic "mothers" being spoken of in all of the NT scriptures. One is earthly Jerusalem. And the other is heavenly Jerusalem.
I'm sure your answer will be correct!

 

[Earburner]

The time to flee such places is NOW . many continue to sit under false doctrine which is total bad news .
As far as the concept of interfaith , its origins may very well have been within The jewish realm itself .
SEEMS SO . this concept has been around a long , long time .
My advice to all is heed no such concepts , come out from amongst them lest one partakes of its sin
and receieve of her plagues . fOR STRONG IS THE LORD GOD who shall judge this harlot and all who sat under it and loved
and made a lie .

And so, what ARE we looking at of "a falling away"?
We are looking at "born again" Christians leaving the visible churches that have gone Apostate!

 

[Verily]

I am just going to post parts I have and where I am comparing, there will be doubtful comparisons, but for me thats how I sift through a thing and find just the right ones.

Seeking death here

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Job 34:22 There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.

Prov 21:6 The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death.

 

[amigo de christo]

Might I add that THE mother of harlots is not the RCC. It is only one of the many harlots.

So then, let's find the "mother":
In Gal. ch. 4, there are only two prophetic "mothers" being spoken of in all of the NT scriptures. One is earthly Jerusalem. And the other is heavenly Jerusalem.
I'm sure your answer will be correct!

correct she is a harlot .
When reading the book of revelation it actually quite clear its JERUSALEM . earthly jerusalem .

 

[amigo de christo]

And so, what ARE we looking at of "a falling away"?
We are looking at "born again" Christians leaving the visible churches that have gone Apostate!

technically not quite . but YES BY ALL MEANS WE DO LEAVE such places .
falling away terms is more about THE FALLING AWAY FROM the true faith , from sound doctrine , from truth .
But yes i do agree WE NEEDS TO GET THE HECK OUT of said places .
many no longer even endure sound doctrine .

 

[Earburner]

As for the Jewish Noahide Laws, I am concerned for my fellow brethren in Christ, who are followers of the doctrines of Pre-millennialism and Post-millennialism.
I perceive that they are being misinformed about the actual sudden event of the Lord's Glorious return (KJV Luke 17:28-30; 2 Thes. 1:7-10), and may become susceptible to the "strong delusion to believe a lie".
I do perceive that the Noahide Laws will be that "strong delusion", on a global scale.

However, Ammillenialists are continually "exhorting one another, as they see that Day approaching", with the understanding that Luke 17:28-30 and 2 Thes. 1:7-10 will be just as 2 Peter 3 describes it.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal

 

[Earburner]

correct she is a harlot .
When reading the book of revelation it actually quite clear its JERUSALEM . earthly jerusalem .

Amen brother. We are forgetting that in Gaza, Lebanon and in Syria, fellow born again Christians are being slaughtered, infants and children as well.
For suffering, that is NOT what Jesus meant, when He said: "Suffer the little children to come unto me".
I strongly oppose Christian-Zionism beliefs, especially the Noahide Laws, of which the "synagogue of satan" is now proving itself to be extremely hypocritical to those Laws.

 

[Earburner]

technically not quite . but YES BY ALL MEANS WE DO LEAVE such places .
falling away terms is more about THE FALLING AWAY FROM the true faith , from sound doctrine , from truth .
But yes i do agree WE NEEDS TO GET THE HECK OUT of said places .
many no longer even endure sound doctrine .

Yes I agree!! However it really is a two way street of "falling away".
My point is, born again Christians are not obligated by God to sit under the unsaved "teachers" of Apostate churches, unless they are personally appointed by God to remain, as witnesses of His truth.
1 Cor. 2:5

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen brother. We are forgetting that in Gaza, Lebanon and in Syria, fellow born again Christians are being slaughtered, infants and children as well.
For suffering, that is NOT what Jesus meant, when He said: "Suffer the little children to come unto me".
I strongly oppose Christian-Zionism beliefs, especially the Noahide Laws, of which the "synagogue of satan" is now proving itself to be extremely hypocritical to those Laws.

paul said it best . THEY THEMSELVES KEEP NOT THE LAW but just desire to glory in your flesh .
ITS ALL HYPROCRISY FRIEND . they THEMSELVES do not even KEEP it .
Christain zionism is bad news . The version they teach is .
JESUS has been denied and the flesh of man EXALTED .
THEY all run to the earthen and have ZERO knowledge of the heavenly , THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM
the HEAVENLY MOUNT ZION wherein GOD AND THE LAMB are the temple thereof .
THEY try and do all to have a earthern kingdom , established of man under guise its the kingdom of GOD .
NO SIR .
EARTHLY JERSUALEM is STILL IN HEAVY BONDAGE with her children . ONLY MOST RUN TOO IT and cling too it .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes!! It is a two way street of "falling away".

He is not a jew who circumsion is merely outward in the flesh .
Many jews , mass numbers within Israel and earthen jerusalem actually DENY THEIR OWN GOD , DENY HIS OWN CHRIST .
but folks could give a rip less and they just run to and cling to that which is earthly .
It will get much worse friend in the short time this earth has left .

 

[Earburner]

I am just going to post parts I have and where I am comparing, there will be doubtful comparisons, but for me thats how I sift through a thing and find just the right ones.

Seeking death here

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Job 34:22 There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.

Prov 21:6 The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a vanity tossed to and fro of them that seek death.

Well of course Rev. 9:6 is it.
We can compare that prophecy to what is being literally manifested today among men. Yes indeed, "in those days [now]", because of all the scientific advances in medical technology, and the "Hippocratic Oath", it's now a hard thing for Doctors and Hospitals to let/allow a person to die.

 

[Earburner]

He is not a jew who circumsion is merely outward in the flesh .
Many jews , mass numbers within Israel and earthen jerusalem actually DENY THEIR OWN GOD , DENY HIS OWN CHRIST .
but folks could give a rip less and they just run to and cling to that which is earthly .
It will get much worse friend in the short time this earth has left .

Prophetically speaking, I agree!

 

[Earburner]

paul said it best . THEY THEMSELVES KEEP NOT THE LAW but just desire to glory in your flesh .
ITS ALL HYPROCRISY FRIEND . they THEMSELVES do not even KEEP it .
Christain zionism is bad news . The version they teach is .
JESUS has been denied and the flesh of man EXALTED .
THEY all run to the earthen and have ZERO knowledge of the heavenly , THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM
the HEAVENLY MOUNT ZION wherein GOD AND THE LAMB are the temple thereof .
THEY try and do all to have a earthern kingdom , established of man under guise its the kingdom of GOD .
NO SIR .
EARTHLY JERSUALEM is STILL IN HEAVY BONDAGE with her children . ONLY MOST RUN TOO IT and cling too it .

Exactly!
As you say: "JESUS has been denied and the flesh of man EXALTED".

Also known as "the man of sin", "the natural man", "the son of perdition [destruction]".
Judas Iscariot IS NOT the only "son of perdition".
In the Textus Receptus Greek, it's all to be understood in the PLURAL.

All of physical human life is the potential place [temple] of God's dwelling by His Holy Spirit.
For all who do not have faith in the shed blood of Jesus, according to NT scriptures AND is born again of the Holy Spirit, satan and his evil horde have immediate access to them, and can take up residence [sit] within them, at will.

 Edit: all should read in synopsis the parable of The Strong man. By pulling from all the scriptures describing the "Strong man", we can by the Holy Spirit's guidance only, arrive at a consensus of who he is, and how Jesus defeats him exponentially, one person at a time unto salvation.
Matt.12:27-29;
Mark.3:23-27;
Luke.11:20-26.
After studying those verses, one will have a better spiritual understanding for application, concerning
Luke.8 :26-35

There are many, many "half baked" professing Christians, whereby they have sought for and received the forgiveness of their sins through the blood of Christ, BUT NEGLECT to go on with Him, by NOT personally inviting Him INTO their very own being. Luke 11:13; Rom. 8:8-9; 2 Cor. 4:7; Rev. 3:20.
They have not made their "calling" and "election" sure [sealed] unto the Day of redemption. 2 Peter 1:10; Eph. 4:30.

Only by Jesus [the Stronger], through the Holy Spirit residing within a person, is it possible that Satan is kept out from ever INVADING that person again!!

Baptism by water is no surety that one has received (been baptised by) the Gift of the Holy Spirit. THAT, .... is all a matter of the heart, of when and how one comes to repentance TOWARDS God, through faith in Jesus.
One could say: "The mind (of Christ) is a terrible thing to waste". 1 Cor. 2:16; Rom. 8:9.

God Himself is the GIVER of the Holy Spirit, not men.
Always know this: becoming a member of a local, visible church, by the pretense of water baptism, does not mean that one is SAVED!
Mat. 7:15-20; John 3:3-8, 14:23; Gal. 5:20-25; Rom. 8:9; Rev. 3:20.