Okay, I am now starting chapter 14 and notice we have the 144000 standing with God on Mt. Zion, or is this in heaven (Mt. Zion is the symbol here). Have the 144000 been brought up to heaven... I don't remember seeing that in chapter 13. I see 3 angels shouting a few things and rhen in verse 14 it seems like one like the Son of Man is coming down on a cloud with a sickle.... Where are we in this timeline? We are not yet at the bowls.... is God removing the believers before the wrath - bowls are poured out?
Revelation 14:1 What is going on here?
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Revelation 14:1-7 is a Prophecy about what will happen soon after the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. He 'reaps' the earth of enemies.
{t is paralleled by 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, where Jesus sends His fiery wrath, and the faithful Christians gather into all of the holy Land, then Jesus is revealed to Hs own peoples, by standing on the Temple Mount and selecting 12,000 out of each of the twelve people groups.
The symbol, or allegory is of the angel shouting: the warning and proclamation. Which will be done by the 144k. Isaiah 66:19
Nor is anyone going to heaven there.
So, first you are saying perhaps the first verses 1-5 are literal? God is on earth?
Then, verses 6-13 are literal or symbolic?
What about verses 14-20, are they literal or symbolic?
I believe Chapter 15 might be the time just before the bowls are thrown down which I would imagine represents the wrath of God. But let’s stay with 14 for now.
So, in the AM, I am going to start to try and interpret the first 13 verses if I can. If you have already done so, we can compare verse by verse and see how we have interpreted them.
I hope I have passed the hardest verses in Revelation- that being 1-13.
Will be in touch tomorrow evening I am sure!
I will explain. The explanation takes from these three groups of passages.
Revelation 14:1-4
Revelation 7:1-3
Revelation 3:7-13
Revelation 14:1-4
The mount Zion in Revelation 14:1 is a referral to heaven . Because in Revelation 14:3 they sing before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders - which are all in heaven.
The 144,000, in Revelation 14:4 are redeemed - meaning that their bodies had been redeemed in the rapture/resurrection event.
Revelation 7:1-3
In Revelation 7:1-3, before any hurt is done to the earth and sea (i.e. before the great tribulation begins), the 144,000 are sealed with the seal of the living God (verse 2).
Since in Revelation 14:1, the 144,000 have God the Father's name written in their foreheads, the sealing of the 144,000 will be that Jesus directs sealing them with God's Name....
Revelation 3:7-13
How to know that it is Jesus who seals them with God's Name is found in verse 12 in Revelation 3 in the message to the church of Philadelphia - - i.e representing Christians who will be taken in the rapture. The rapture is in verses 10-11.
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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There are no mountains in heaven. Mt Zion is on Earth near Jerusalem.
Since Christ is still in the air fighting at Armageddon, I believe him standing on Earth means it is after Armageddon. Armageddon is about 66 miles from Mt Zion and is near Jerusalem where I believe He rules from during the Millennium.
Thanks. My first reading is that these first few verses are symbolic, and I need to continue trying to understand them!
My first thought is that Mt. Zion is symbolic for heaven. I need to study 14 tomorrow… my mind is fried.
By the way, my daughter and son in law are vacationing in New Zealand for a couple of weeks. They are now in the city where the Ironman challenge is or was taking place. It is such a beautiful country and the food and people, she says are amazing!!!!
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All are literal. Have you missed seeing Matthew 28:19-20....I will be with you always. Jesus is spiritually with us now and when He selects the 144k, He will be visible to His peoples. 2 Thess 1:10
Who are all the faithful Christians from every tribe, race, nation and language. The multitude that John sees in Rev 7:9
The problem most have is the inability to understand what God has planned for the period before Jesus Returns. The 144k Witnesses, will go out to the nations and proclaim the coming Kingdom, but most people will idolize the leader of the One World Govt.
The Christian peoples will be living in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
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The Born again "in the time of the Gentiles" (we are in it right now)... are not appointed to "Wrath', as this has already fallen on Jesus, on The Cross, for them. (The Born again believers).
"Wrath" is for them who "know not God" and have not "obeyed the Gospel"... 2 Thess 1:8-9
To "obey the Gospel" is to Believe it.
Revelation 14:1-5 KJV
1) And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2) And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3) And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4) These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5) And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
My understanding of the 144,000, and of this passage . . .
The 144,000 are sent to the towns of Israel to proclaim Christ, for 3.5 years. At the end of that time, they are gathered to Jerusalem and translated into heaven.
Matthew 10:21-27 KJV
21) And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22) And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23) But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
24) The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25) It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
26) Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27) What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
I think this part is instruction for the 144,000.
After the church is removed in the pre-trib rapture, the 144,000 are sealed. After they are removed angels fly with God's word to give to the earth dwellers. God always has His witness in the world.
Let me know if you want me to give more detail.
Much love!
I agree that the 144000 will go out to preach the Good News. However, I believe they are the Jews which will have their eyes opened by God and recognize Jesus as their Messiah and preach the Word and the Testimony of Jesus as Paul did … and this will cause chaos all over the world especially from the little horn (papacy) and his system of worship. He is about to lose it all and this period in time, the final 3.5 years with be nasty.
Very nice! I am behind schedule but I will be starting 14 this evening. Thanks for your thoughts.
Ewq1938, what about these verses? For example
Psalm 125:1 [[A Song of degrees.]] They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.
Psalm 125:2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.
Wherea Hebrews says here
Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Would that work at all in your understanding?
An excellent reference verse. That the mount Zion in Revelation 14:1 is a referral to heaven
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We can find an innumeral company of angels there, there is another place where it speaks of the Lord counting when he writeth of the people here
Psalm 87:5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
Psalm 87:6 The LORD shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.
Psalm 87:7 As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee.
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NONE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN IS ACTUALLY ON A TIMELINE. All was/is fulfilled in the twinkling of an eye. Only God's revelations to this world are on a timeline.
The 144,000 refers to all God's elect of the 12 tribes of Israel. They are those who died with Christ, who was "the Last" of Israel, aka, "the dead in Christ."
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Standing on Mount Zion, a location deeply significant in Scripture, we are reminded of both the earthly Jerusalem—where God’s people worshiped—and the heavenly Zion, the eternal dwelling place of God (Hebrews 12:22). This signals that the vision represents a spiritual victory and an assurance of Christ’s ultimate reign.
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