Return of the prodigal angel - The Triumph of Grace

[One 2 question]

Perhaps I did and I apologize, but having said that, I do not find God’s character hidden at all. Throughout the entire Bible Jehovah is demonstrating his character.….Jesus reflected his Father’s personality and character perfectly. What is hidden?

Before God created this creation, some of His character had not been revealed to the angels. Throughout the unfolding of history on earth, God has been making known His character to His former creation along with this one.

This is according to His eternal purpose.

 

[One 2 question]

Before God created this creation, some of His character had not been revealed to the angels. Throughout the unfolding of history on earth, God has been making known His character to His former creation along with this one.

This is according to His eternal purpose.

His mercy, grace forgiveness, redemptive love, to name a few, were not exercised or expressed to His Angels until humans caused an offence.

 

[One 2 question]

Any who choose to do so in the future will never be allowed to put their plans into action after one final test revealed in Rev 20:1-3.

Satan's Creator puts him in a place to have some time out . The abyss, hades, Gehenna. But his Creator had further use for Satan. So 1000 years later unchains him so he can get down to business. Satan had 1000 years to repent but instead plans his attack strategy to deceive the inhabitants on earth who are under King Jesus's global reign.

He succeeds as God showed John. But God intervenes and Satan finds himself back in bondage having some more time out. This time, in the lake of fire is where he comes to his senses and exercises his will to repent according to his Creators grand plan.

Then I saw Satan approach his Creator Who showed mercy and exercised His grace. Then like in the story of the Prodigal son, Satan will not only be restored to his original state to fulfil his former role but will be elevated and promoted to sit on a throne at his Creators left.

What a display of God's wisdom and God's love!

 

[Aunty Jane]

If by "firstborn of all creation" you think Jesus was a "created being" you are in error @Aunty Jane.

Funny how this doctrine is from Roman Catholicism, like the veneration of Mary, purgatory, transubstantiation and idolatry….but you cannot see that all false doctrines come from the same source….
Christendom is founded on the doctrines of the RCC.

Jesus identifies himself as “the beginning of God’s creation”. (Rev 3:14) And in Rev 3:12, Jesus calls his Father “my God” four times in that one verse. Can God have a God?

Please show me one verse that directly states that Christ is uncreated…..all of God’s “sons” are created beings. The pre-human Jesus was his “firstborn”…..and “only begotten”…..both of those expressions are used in Scripture to identify other humans. It is not a term exclusive to Jesus. “Only begotten” is “monogenes” and it means an only child. How is Jesus an “only child“ when he has “brothers” also called God’s “sons”? What made Jesus different? He was the first and only direct creation of his Father……all other creation came “through” the agency of the son. (Col 1:15-17)

Angels were created before humans made their appearance on earth, so they were already in existence as “sons of God” long before we arrived….and certainly long before Jesus was born as a human.

Can you separate the false doctrines from the three doctrines that bind all of Christendom to every other false religion in the world?….those who base their beliefs on a triune god…immortality of the soul and hellfire…..none of these are directly taught in scripture. These ideas are grafted over ambiguous verses to make them appear to be correct, when they are all false.….

Are any of these what Jesus taught? Find me the chapter and verse that is a direct statement about Christ’s deity, rather than his divinity….Jesus can be the divine “son of God” without assuming deity. He was given “honor” (obeisance) by humans and angels but never “worshipped”.
Do your original language word studies….and then tie them into what Jews were taught about their “one God” Yahweh. (Deut 6:4)…their view of death as taught in their scripture (Eccl 9:5, 6, 10)……and whether the dead go to some other place immediately after death. (Psalm 115:17)

Do you accept the Roman Catholic church as those who teach the truth of God’s word? If you do, then you would identify as a Roman Catholic….but you have already told me that you have no church and are rather “lost”…..looking for fellowship. But are you looking in the wrong place for something that does not exist?

Jesus is the eternal Son of God, begotten of the Father, and not created.

Who said “begotten” means “uncreated”? “Begotten” means that someone needed a ‘begetter’…..one who existed brfore them, and who caused their existence.

Is there a scriptural impediment to Jesus being “created”? Why call him a “son“ if he is not? Why did other “sons of God” exist before Jesus was born if he is the “firstborn”?

He was sent to earth for the purpose of salvation but has always existed in perfect unity with the Father.

He was “sent” to pay the price of redemption for the human race….something he could not have done if he was immortal. An immortal cannot die. If Jesus did not die the same death as Adam, then we are not saved.

 

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He was “sent” to pay the price of redemption for the human race….something he could not have done if he was immortal. An immortal cannot die. If Jesus did not die the same death as Adam, then we are not saved.

@Johann stepping back a little from Janes comment here - if Jesus did not share exactly the same nature i.e 100% in your flesh then God had no victory at all.

The implications of this teaching was fully known by the Apostles and not one of them believed Jesus pre-existed.

F2F

 

[Aunty Jane]

Before God created this creation, some of His character had not been revealed to the angels. Throughout the unfolding of history on earth, God has been making known His character to His former creation along with this one.

This is according to His eternal purpose.

What is “his eternal purpose” O2Q? Tell us where we find that information?

Satan's Creator puts him in a place to have some time out

Nonsense. Where do we see God giving satan anything but incarceration so that his “eternal purpose” can be achieved without satanic or demonic interference. It’s not “time out” in order to repent because we know what God has already told us…he has no basis to forgive any perfect creature, in heaven or on earth….and satan’s cronies who joined him, will suffer the same fate. There is a place “prepared for the devil and his angels” in “the lake of fire”….everlasting death.

To the “goats” on his left, Jesus says….
“Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.” (Matt 25:41)
Satan has no intention of repenting because he knows that God’s justice will come down hard on him.

The abyss, hades, Gehenna. But his Creator had further use for Satan. So 1000 years later unchains him so he can get down to business. Satan had 1000 years to repent but instead plans his attack strategy to deceive the inhabitants on earth who are under King Jesus's global reign.

Satan and his hordes will have had a thousand years to prepare their attack strategy on redeemed mankind. At the end of the thousand years, all mankind finally be free of sin and can stand up to one last test of their faith. You are correct that God is not finished with the devil…..this one last test will separate the faithful and obedient ones from the unfaithful and disobedient ones, with no need to delay his judgment any longer….as fire comes down from heaven to devours all in opposition. (Rev 20:7-9)
The devil is then cast into the lake of fire along with all who have followed him.

Then I saw Satan approach his Creator Who showed mercy and exercised His grace. Then like in the story of the Prodigal son, Satan will not only be restored to his original state to fulfil his former role but will be elevated and promoted to sit on a throne at his Creators left.

Again…where do you get this stuff?
Satan does not have an opportunity to say ‘sorry’ because he doesn’t have it in him…..he is not humble…he is prideful and haughty……he knows his time is short and he will take as many down with him into destruction as he can mislead...(Rev 12:7-12)…both now and after the millennium.

There is no prodigal angel…..you have made that up….it is a figment of your imagination….

 

[face2face]

Again…where do you get this stuff?
Satan does not have an opportunity to say ‘sorry’ because he doesn’t have it in him…..he is not humble…he is prideful and haughty……he knows his time is short and he will take as many down with him into destruction as he can mislead...(Rev 12:7-12)…both now and after the millennium.

There is no prodigal angel…..you have made that up….it is a figment of your imagination….

Neither is there such a thing as an angel that can sin, as sin is only possible from flesh nature and the possession of a carnal mind.

God is not double minded!

If you believe Angels can sin then you believe God can sin, as they share in His Nature and bare His Name.

Rev 12 is not speaking about an evil divine creature - this as you say Jane is a figment of your imagination….

for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:36

Cannot die therefore they cannot sin - wages of sin is death! Divine decree...

F2F

 

[Johann]

Please show me one verse that directly states that Christ is uncreated…

"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." (NKJV)

This passage provides several critical insights that point to Christ’s uncreated status:

"For by Him all things were created" – This phrase emphasizes that every created thing, whether physical or spiritual, came into existence through Christ. Since "all things" were created by Him, Christ Himself must necessarily be outside the category of "all created things."

"He is before all things" – The Greek phrase here, πρὸ πάντων, directly indicates that Christ exists prior to anything created, affirming His preexistence outside of creation.

"In Him all things consist" – This suggests that Christ is the sustaining power behind all creation, underscoring an ongoing and fundamental relationship with creation that aligns with an eternal, uncreated being rather than a created entity.

In Colossians, Paul presents Jesus as both the Creator and sustainer, directly implying that He is not part of creation but rather its divine source. This, combined with passages such as John 1:1-3—which describes the Word (Christ) as being with God in the beginning and as God—strongly conveys the understanding that Christ is uncreated, eternally existent, and fully divine.

"the firstborn of all creation" This was an OT metaphor for Jesus' unique and exalted position.
1. the rabbis said it meant preeminence (cf. Exo_4:22)
2. in the OT it was used for the eldest son as heir and manager of the family
3. in Psa_89:27 it was used in a Messianic sense
4. in Pro_8:22 it referred to Wisdom as God's first creation and agent of creation. In context options #1 and #2 combined seem best

This phrase is not to be understood as Jesus being the first creation (#4). This would have played into the hands of the Gnostic teachers, who taught that Jesus was the highest angelic level next to the high god.

It must be interpreted in its Jewish OT setting. Jesus was deity's unique son (cf. Joh_1:18; Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18; 1Jn_4:9), yet Jesus was always Deity (cf. Col_1:17; Joh_1:1; Joh_5:18; Joh_10:30; Joh_14:9; Joh_20:28). He became a human in time, at Bethlehem, so that fallen mankind could comprehend and understand Deity (cf. Joh_1:14; Joh_1:18).

You asked, and thou shall receive @Aunty Jane.

J.

 

[Johann]

He was “sent” to pay the price of redemption for the human race….something he could not have done if he was immortal. An immortal cannot die. If Jesus did not die the same death as Adam, then we are not saved.

Romans 8:3

"For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh."

Philippians 2:7-8

"But made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross."

Hebrews 2:14

"Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil."

Hebrews 2:17

"Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people."

John 1:14

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

Galatians 4:4-5

"But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons."

1 Timothy 3:16

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory."

J.

 

[One 2 question]

Again…where do you get this stuff?

Around 3 years ago I got away to be alone away from people and potential distractions. While we, Holy Spirit and I, were alone He communicated 3 things to my spirit.

The first was one of the parables He revealed to Jesus 2000 years ago. The story of the prodigal son.

The second was the mercy, love and grace of God towards the 12 sons of Jacob.

The third was the greatest of the 3. The Spirit showed me God gathering together everyone in His kingdom. As I watched, a massive crowd of beings were in the distance and appeared to be on their knees. Then I saw them coming towards God. The one leading this crowd was overwhelmed by the willingness of God to allow them to approach God's throne. God motioned to this being to come even closer at which I saw him refuse by saying, no, I don't deserve anything but to return to where I came.

Then something incredible happened. I observed Him Who sat on His throne reach behind Him and slid another throne to His left. It became known that this being who was interacting with God, was the devil. And this throne to God's left was appointed to satan.

My prayers were answered that day. I had been asking God for years that He would have mercy on satan, not so much for the devil's sake but for His. I just wanted God's character to be exercised and displayed for all to see and that God be glorified and that this act of love would produce new levels of pleasure within God Who is worthy to receive all praise, glory and pleasure.

This has changed my view of my Creator and Divine Father. That His love conquers all.

And I echo Paul's expression of gratitude towards God when he wrote. For of Him, and through Him and to Him are ALL things. To Him be glory forever without end. Amen!

Satan does not have an opportunity to say ‘sorry’ because he doesn’t have it in him…..he is not humble…he is prideful and haughty……he knows his time is short and he will take as many down with him into destruction as he can mislead...(Rev 12:7-12)…both now and after the millennium.

There is no prodigal angel…..you have made that up….it is a figment of your imagination….

It was a revelation of God, from God, for God. I was simply given this precious gift and I've been more than happy to share it with others.

 

[Aunty Jane]

"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." (NKJV)

This passage provides several critical insights that point to Christ’s uncreated status:

Since it says that “All things were created through Him and for Him”….how is something done “through” someone? We all understand agency, don’t we? Every actor in Hollywood has an agent….All things that the actor does is by means of his agent, who is employed for that purpose, conducting his business for him.
A construction crew act as agents for the architect, but the accolades go to the designer not the construction crew.

Proverbs 8:30-31 indicates that God had a “master workman” working alongside the him as Creator.

How are “all things created for him”? That is an odd thing to say about yourself…

You will also notice that “He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.”
Well, if he is God‘s “firstborn“, then that indicates that God has other “sons” who were also created…..he being “the firstborn OF ALL CREATION” makes him part of that creation…..ALL THINGS came into existence, but through the agency of God’s firstborn. (”The beginning of God’s creation”. Rev 3:14)

And in him all things “consist”….now this is an odd word with many meanings….”synistēmi” which means….

1. to place together, to set in the same place, to bring or band together
   1. to stand with (or near)
2. to set one with another. (Strongs)

So here again, I see no direct statement declaring Jesus uncreated. ”in him all things hold together”.

"He is before all things" – The Greek phrase here, πρὸ πάντων, directly indicates that Christ exists prior to anything created, affirming His preexistence outside of creation.

No, it actually says that he is “before all things” which if he was the one used by his Father in the creation of “all things”, he naturally existed before all of them. This suggests no pre-existence “outside of creation”at all, but is consistent with him being the first and only direct creation of his Father, and thereafter used to bring into existence all things that came after him.

In Colossians, Paul presents Jesus as both the Creator and sustainer, directly implying that He is not part of creation but rather its divine source. This, combined with passages such as John 1:1-3—which describes the Word (Christ) as being with God in the beginning and as God—strongly conveys the understanding that Christ is uncreated, eternally existent, and fully divine.

It does not strongly convey any such thing unless one reads into the words what they want them to say….
John 1:1-3 speaks of “the beginning” as it does in Genesis….what is it “the beginning” of? …since God is eternal and had no “beginning”.

It says that “the Word” was “with God” (ho theos) but that the Word was “theos” which in Greek is a term used for ‘any god, goddess or divinity’. Even human judges in Israel were called “gods” (theos) by God himself. (John 10:31-36)

"the firstborn of all creation" This was an OT metaphor for Jesus' unique and exalted position.
1. the rabbis said it meant preeminence (cf. Exo_4:22)
2. in the OT it was used for the eldest son as heir and manager of the family

Again, this does not fight with the scriptural truth that Jesus was created as God’s firstborn. He is “the eldest son as heir and manager of the family”….exactly as the scriptures describe him.

3. in Psa_89:27 it was used in a Messianic sense
4. in Pro_8:22 it referred to Wisdom as God's first creation and agent of creation. In context options #1 and #2 combined seem best

Psalm 89:27…
”And I will place him as firstborn,
The highest of the kings of the earth.”

Again, the scriptures identify Jesus as both.
Whose firstborn son is he? Who made him King?

Proverbs 8:22 is an interesting verse if you read it in different translations.
Some render it….speaking as “wisdom personified” as…..”God possessed me as the beginning of his way.”
Others render it…”God created me as the beginning of his way”…still others as …”brought me forth” ….”made me”….so take your pick….

What rendering is in harmony with the entirety of Scripture?
If this is speaking about wisdom in an abstract sense, then how is wisdom something possessed by, or created by God? Was he not always wise?
If it is speaking about God’s firstborn, then it suggests that as “the personified wisdom of God, he was created….made…brought forth….(Col 2:3)

This phrase is not to be understood as Jesus being the first creation (#4). This would have played into the hands of the Gnostic teachers, who taught that Jesus was the highest angelic level next to the high god.

Then I believe that the Gnostics were closer to the truth than the Roman Catholic church.
I am of the belief that the pre-human Jesus was Michael the Archangel….. ”the great prince who stands on behalf of Jehovah’s people”. One of the titles that the son is given, is “Prince of Peace”. A Prince is the son of a King, who can also be a vice regent.

It must be interpreted in its Jewish OT setting. Jesus was deity's unique son (cf. Joh_1:18; Joh_3:16; Joh_3:18; 1Jn_4:9),

Yes…he is “the deity’s unique son”…..there is not another like him.…

yet Jesus was always Deity (cf. Col_1:17; Joh_1:1; Joh_5:18; Joh_10:30; Joh_14:9; Joh_20:28). He became a human in time, at Bethlehem, so that fallen mankind could comprehend and understand Deity (cf. Joh_1:14; Joh_1:18).

“The Word became flesh”…. but being called “theos” (god) is not identifying him as “ho theos”. (Yahweh)
Look up the word “theos” in a good concordance….it doesn’t mean what you think it does.

If those who represented Yahweh to his people can be called “theos”, (gods) by God himself, then calling Jesus by the same word, doesn’t make him deity. (God with a capital “G”) It can make him “divine” however. (John 10:31-36) or ‘divinely authorized’ as the judges in Israel were. (Matt 28:18)

Jesus had to be “sent” because the ransom could only be paid by a sinless mortal human…..
The Supreme Sovereign of the Universe could never become one of his own lowly creation.
As an immortal he could not die.
If Christ did not die the same death as Adam, we are not saved, because the redemption price was not paid.

You asked, and thou shall receive @Aunty Jane.

What I received was not convincing I’m afraid…..my studies reveal a very different picture….

God is not with the majority and never has been….”few” are found on the road to life because the devil has the rest hoodwinked. (Matt 7:13-14) Those who are traveling on the superhighway with the majority will find it to be a dead end. What beliefs do the majority hold that are not scripturally based?

Who God is…..that is a fundamental truth that we cannot get wrong, because it means that if we worship some other ‘god’, we have broken the first Commandment. (Ex 20:3)

According to Jesus himself, unless we “know the only true God AND the one he sent”….we will not gain everlasting life……so, this is a salvation issue. (John 17:3)

 

[One 2 question]

Where do we see God giving satan anything but incarceration so that his “eternal purpose” can be achieved without satanic or demonic interference.

In a vision I saw Satan and his angels not causing interference but support. They were no longer enemies but allies of their Almighty Creator. Satan had absolute love and submission to Him Who sat at his right. This is very good news, the gospel of the restoration of all things.

 

[One 2 question]

I

Who God is…..that is a fundamental truth that we cannot get wrong, because it means that if we worship some other ‘god’, we have broken the first Commandment. (Ex 20:3)

This is an ongoing revelation being revealed to each individual through a direct relationship with God, Who is His Spirit. I get to know my God experientially not so much intellectually by reading about what others know about Him or have heard about Him.

I worship my Creator Who has and continues to reveal Himself to me in the context of a personal day by day lived out relationship.

This personal direct relationship builds a database of shared experiences which lays a foundation on which I can confidently build on throughout each day. It underpins my confidence and trust in my Creator because He has proven His integity, wisdom, power, love to me personally. The testimonies we have that have been generated by our personal, intimate relationship with eachother is such a powerful thing to share with other and to remind ourselves of, especially in our dark times.

 

[Aunty Jane]

In a vision I saw Satan and his angels not causing interference but support. They were no longer enemies but allies of their Almighty Creator. Satan had absolute love and submission to Him Who sat at his right. This is very good news, the gospel of the restoration of all things.

And it never occurred to you that this “vision” might have come from the one who wants you to believe his lies....he is a deceiver......and none of what you are asserting is Scriptural.

If you know anything about God, you will understand that “he knows the end from the beginning” in everything.
Isa 46:10...
“From the beginning I foretell the outcome,
And from long ago the things that have not yet been done.
I say, ‘My decision will stand,
And I will do whatever I please.’”

So....there is nothing unexpected that ever takes place for him……..he records prophesy, which is really history written in advance.….so all we need to know is recorded for us in his word.
Daniel wrote about the events of our day in this “time of the end”, some 500 years before the birth of Christ. Do you honestly think he is going to choose obscure people to experience supernatural visions and things he has supposedly revealed only to them, that are not already written?
Romans 15:4...
“ For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.”

Do you see room there for anything that comes from outside of God’s instruction manual?

Once you depart into territory that paints God and the devil as best buddies, you have played right into the hands of the enemy, believing his “angel of light” strategy. You cannot see that he is having a lend of you. He is using your good qualities to benefit himself at your expense. He is also using you ignorance of Scripture to fool you into thinking that he even has it in him to repent. The lake of fire is his destination and he knows it.
Jesus said of the “goats” whom he will reject at the judgment....
“Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.” (Matt 25:41)
Do you think he rescinded that eventuality for the devil and his angels? Where is that written?

The Bible tells us that there is no redemption for perfect creatures who defect. They have not made mistakes due to inherited sin, like the children of Adam.....these once perfect beings chose a course that they knew was against the express commands of their Creator, but deliberately took that course. They were acting in full knowledge of what they chose to do.

There was not a single word of repentance from Adam and his wife, because they knew the penalty for disobedience before they violated God’s command. Adam was given no ‘heaven or hell’ option, but simply a choice between obedience and life....or disobedience and death.....the devil had the same options. Those angels who followed him knew that too. None of them acted in ignorance.

Jehovah’s justice can be tempered with mercy, but it has to be warranted, not by sentiment, but by a true evaluation of motivation. WHY we do things, is just as important to God as WHAT we do. Ignorance is not an excuse in this case….and not a single individual who was created by God (human or angel) can dodge the consequences of their own deliberate choices and actions.

The devil can use every opportunity to present himself to people like yourself, as something he is not, because he can convince you with his trickery, so you believe him. This is why supernatural things were to cease…..because God and the devil were not going to compete. Only the devil now uses supernatural means to sway people who have no knowledge of the God who authored the Bible….they will put it aside to believe the deceptions that are so readily accepted by those whose ignorance is easily exploited.

It’s time to wake up…before it’s too late. In the judgment to come, there will be no second chances. We will all stand before the same judge. (Matt 7:21-23)

 

[Aunty Jane]

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This is an ongoing revelation being revealed to each individual through a direct relationship with God, Who is His Spirit. I get to know my God experientially not so much intellectually by reading about what others know about Him or have heard about Him.

I worship my Creator Who has and continues to reveal Himself to me in the context of a personal day by day lived out relationship.

This personal direct relationship builds a database of shared experiences which lays a foundation on which I can confidently build on throughout each day. It underpins my confidence and trust in my Creator because He has proven His integity, wisdom, power, love to me personally. The testimonies we have that have been generated by our personal, intimate relationship with eachother is such a powerful thing to share with other and to remind ourselves of, especially in our dark times.

And this is exactly what I was talking about….God does not operate like this….

 

[One 2 question]

And this is exactly what I was talking about….God does not operate like this….

The great truth is that God has been revealing Himself since the beginning and has never stopped. The enemy has tried many times in many ways but has not succeeded. The ongoing revelation that the Spirit of our Creator delivers to His creation is amazing and life changing. I have a growing collection of testimonies that prove that God not only exists but is proving His existence to me by the shared life we live out together. HIS Spirit is not absent but very much present.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The great truth is that God has been revealing Himself since the beginning and has never stopped. The enemy has tried many times in many ways but has not succeeded. The ongoing revelation that the Spirit of our Creator delivers to His creation is amazing and life changing. I have a growing collection of testimonies that prove that God not only exists but is proving His existence to me by the shared life we live out together. HIS Spirit is not absent but very much present.

Only God can tell you otherwise…..but be mindful that God does not compete with the devil for tricks…especially ones played on the mind. (2 Cor 4:3) He allows the deluded ones to keep their delusions because it’s what they want…the truth is an inconvenience to them.

The easiest person on the planet to fool is ourselves, and what we want to believe is true. Jesus tells us that the majority are deceived by the devil….”few“ will be found “doing the will of the Father”….even though they are convinced that they are. (Matt 7:21-23)

 

[One 2 question]

And this is exactly what I was talking about….God does not operate like this….

God told you directly that He doesn't operate like what? Those who contributed to the scriptures heard from God directly as an example of how He interacts with us. Directly and personally and individually. This is awesome! I love walking and hearing from Jesus through His Spirit He sent to live in us.

 

[Aunty Jane]

God told you directly that He doesn't operate like what?

He doesn’t speak to us directly, because we have an appointed mediator for that....he speaks to us through the Bible....if he doesn’t, then how many conflicting ideas is he giving all the people who claim the kind of communication that you claim?

If it was truly from God, all would speak in harmony, but we know that you all don’t. Who wants people to be confused? Not God, who keeps things tidy by telling us all we need to know about how to have a relationship with him in his instruction manual....he tells us what he has done in the past....what he is doing right now....and what he will do in the future. All “written afore time” as you were shown from the Bible.

Those who contributed to the scriptures heard from God directly as an example of how He interacts with us.

Not any more....those things were reserved for Bible times, but once it was all recorded for our benefit, there was no need to say anything more. The Bible stands as the word of God and no one was to add anything to it. Who would we believe anyway? Claiming that God speaks to you doesn’t mean that he does. The ‘psyche’ wards are full of people whom God speaks to......are they all really communicating with God....? They will tell you it is so in all sincerity......

Directly and personally and individually. This is awesome! I love walking and hearing from Jesus through His Spirit He sent to live in us.

I have no doubt that you believe this......but the Bible tells me it is not true. Jesus does not speak audibly to anyone because he doesn’t have to.......God had his teachings all written down so that we could know “the only true God AND the one he sent”. (John 17:3)

Read post #154 again.....and take note of the Scriptures.....they are the truth. You can’t trust anything else.

 

[St. SteVen]

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