Should sin triumph over grace in the end?

[St. SteVen]

Short commentary.

You see, God's love (also called charity) is a pure gift from him to be received and shared. The spiritual gift of love is the only type of love that fulfills the deepest longings of our hearts. Like all gifts, it must first be received and cherished, and then it allows us to love ourselves and others as God does.

Of course. I'm onboard with that.
But the commands are a tall order if I am honest with myself.

With all my heart and with all my soul and with all my mind?
- Was my heart given to NOTHING else? (no other loves)
- Was my soul given to NOTHING else? (no other interests)
- Was my mind given to NOTHING else? (no other thoughts)

And my neighbor as myself?
- Did I buy groceries for my neighbor before myself?
- Did I check to see what they needed before I went to the store?
- Did I pray for them when they were sick?
- Did I help them financially as needed?

--- GUILTY AS CHARGED ---

And love myself? (the hidden command)
- Do I always love myself?

The Parenthetical Greatest Commandment = Love Yourself!

A follow-up to this forum topic. Commanded to love God more than we love ourselves? This is easy to overlook, but well worth discussing. IMHO Jesus said, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Mark 12:30-31 NIV Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your...

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[Eternally Grateful]

I heartily agree, brother. Christians should always strive as hard as we can to not ever sin.

In 1 John 1:8-10, the apostle John had just said that we all have sinned, and that if we deny it, we are a liar. Notice:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Now John continues in 1 John 2:
1 John 2:1-5 1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

We have an Advocate, Jesus Christ, who sits on the right hand of the Father. He is our Defender and when we happen to fall short of the glory of God and we repent of our sins, we have Him as our Advocate to represent us right there in heaven before the throne of God. We all sin and fall short of God's standards sometimes. Confessing our sins when we realize our sin is crucial. God promises to forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Thank You, Jesus.

amen

for anyone to claim they are without sin is just to fail to acknowledge what God says about them.

in my view, they are stunted (if they are saved) and can not grow. you can not grow if you can not acknowledge your own mistakes (sin)

 

[Ritajanice]

Of course. I'm onboard with that.
But the commands are a tall order if I am honest with myself.

With all my heart and with all my soul and with all my mind?
- Was my heart given to NOTHING else? (no other loves)
- Was my soul given to NOTHING else? (no other interests)
- Was my mind given to NOTHING else? (no other thoughts)

And my neighbor as myself?
- Did I buy groceries for my neighbor before myself?
- Did I check to see what they needed before I went to the store?
- Did I pray for them when they were sick?
- Did I help them financially as needed?

--- GUILTY AS CHARGED ---

And love myself? (the hidden command)
- Do I always love myself?

The Parenthetical Greatest Commandment = Love Yourself!

A follow-up to this forum topic. Commanded to love God more than we love ourselves? This is easy to overlook, but well worth discussing. IMHO Jesus said, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ Mark 12:30-31 NIV Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your...

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Ok, well thanks for explaining.even though I don’t understand your post, I don’t believe we should strive or worry about what we don’t understand..the Spirit will bring it to our understanding in his time....as he’s the one working in our hearts daily.

I used to strive terribly as a new babe, over years of growing and maturing in the spirit, he has shown me just to cast all my worries onto him.so I do..he is the one working everything out according to his purpose and plan for my life..I’m in his will, I keep forgetting that at times..always learning .he constantly reminds me of who is in control...The Spirit...

As his word also says, a Born Again does not sin because they have been Born of God that his seed remains in them...some have no understanding of what that means..that’s why they believe they still sin.that can only come to them by divine heart revelation...

I will, like you, always stand on God’s word and what I believe him to be witnessing to my spirit.
we serve a Living God we don’t serve a Bible.

I can only grow in the Spirit.. not by mans knowledge..growing and maturing in the Spirit is exciting.

 

[St. SteVen]

Ok, well thanks for explaining.even though I don’t understand your post, I don’t believe we should strive or worry about what we don’t understand..the Spirit will bring it to our understanding in his time....as he’s the one working in our hearts daily.

I agree.
And I don't beat myself up over these issues.
I just want to be honest with myself, honest with God and honest with my WONDERFUL brothers and sisters. xoxo - LOL



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[Ritajanice]

I agree.
And I don't beat myself up over these issues.
I just want to be honest with myself, honest with God and honest with my WONDERFUL brothers and sisters. xoxo - LOL

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God loves it when we come before him with a sincere and honest heart, he certainly knows if we’re faking it, nothing can be hidden from him.

Daily he opens my heart up more to love....and daily I pray he makes me to be more like Jesus....being consistent I call it...keep our eyes, ears focused on Jesus..then the enemy will go elsewhere and find someone else to devour, may they be shown the cunning ways the enemy uses people to ensnare them in his trap...of deceit ,hatred and lies.

 

[St. SteVen]

I was accounting for the Trinity, I mean maybe they like to hang out when its slow LOL?

That would skew the statistics. - LOL

BTW: Welcome to the forum.

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[TigersPaw]

That would skew the statistics. - LOL

BTW: Welcome to the forum.

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Haha, OK that made me laugh. TY for the welcome.

 

[TigersPaw]

Happy Thanks Giving.
And Remember, If You do not Sin. Jesus Died for nothing.

 

[St. SteVen]

And Remember, If You do not Sin. Jesus Died for nothing.

I'll get right on it. - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

New topic:

Turn the other cheek, or turn over some tables? - When do we do what?

This begs some questions about how to best handle the abuse of others. - When do we turn the other cheek? And... - When do we turn over some tables? Jesus did both. Acts 4:18-20 NIV Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. 19 But...

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[St. SteVen]

I was asked recently about my personal belief that "all" people will be saved.

An example was cited of some horrible cruelties that had been delivered mercilessly
upon an individual, resulting in their death. The example, it seems, was given
to prove that God could never forgive such a horrible deed. That justice was demanded.
And by inference, ultimate redemption and salvation could not be the result.

This would not be justice, in human eyes. Therein lies the problem.

Is there any sin that humankind is capable of that the Atonement did not cover?
Was God only planning to redeem the righteous?

What if the cruel individuals described later came to confession of their sin and repentance?
Would God withhold forgiveness?

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[Behold]

Is there any sin that humankind is capable of that the Atonement did not cover?

Universalism is a lie of Satan.
Its one of many that he has up and running, using Tools to deliver his lie that "everyone is already saved".

This reason this particular theology blasphemes the Holy Spirit, is because.. when YOU tell someone they are already atoned for..
= already SAVED.. already a CHRISTIAN.........when in fact they are not.. .and you have deceived them to believe this lie @St. SteVen .. then you have created a situation whereby the Holy Spirit wont be able to lead them to Jesus so that they can be saved, because you've already deceived them into believe they are already a Christian.

 

[Behold]

The Cross of Christ... is the Atonement.. but it has to be received by FAITH.......its not automatically applied to you, just because you are breathing.

See, God sends out Preachers to give the Gospel, so that everyone has a chance to BELIEVE in JESUS>...and be SAVED and become born again.

YOU as a Christian are to lead people to Christ........and you would not need to do that, if everyone is "atoned for" already, as lying Universalist's teach.

Universalists... these Satan Duped deceivers..........will tell you that if you are born, you are already saved.

Dont believe their lie.

The Cross of Christ is where God OFFERS you His "Gift of Salvation".........and you have to come and GET IT.. by FAITH.

You have to receive Christ as your Savior, by "FAITH" or you will die without Him, and Hell is accepting those all the time.... 24/7.

Don't let a "universalist" lead you hell.