Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)
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PS95
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Funny you say that. We do err. Yet, you only defend it when its Jw errr.. Funny huh?
I asked about men being Df'd and shunned. That's all you got? We err? Where would they ever get the idea that beards are evil? Can't say it was "spiritual food" can you? I know they did.
PS95
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IF YOU ARE ATTACKED FOR GOOD- SHAME ON THEM.
IF YOU ARE QUESTIONED FOR WRONG and CALL IT AN ATTACK- then MAYBE YOU NEED TO RETHINK EVERYTHING.
Keiw
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Show us where the bible says John had long hair. Samson was a Nazarite. Possibly John was does the bible say so?
Keiw
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I believe its Gods way of extracting the fakes. All who understand--At the proper time( Matt 24:45) = when God wills a truth known-not before, thus errors are taught until its the proper time then correction gets made.
Keiw
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Satan started getting error teachings in in Peters books after Jesus died. Titus had to be left behind to correct error teachings that got in. Then the apostles and followers were just about all murdered, 2Thess 2:3=the son of peredition= the great apostasy rose up out of Rome and screwed it all up.
PS95
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You do understand that is a parable, dont you Keiw? look at it in Luke too. Peter knew that.
It's like defending your abuser to say they are weeding out people by feeding them hatred. You give so much respect to the abuser and none to the victim. That's not godly.
Shouldn't the cong be being taught to love one another instead of throwing them out for a beard which God made?
PS95
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Satan always teachers error and lies. I just can't understand how you can allow anyone (especially if they say they speak for Jesus to ROB you of belonging to Jesus. Keiw, there is no middle. You either belong to Jesus or you don't. Believer or unbeliever. There is nothing else. It is Death or Jesus. There simply is not any other way. Satan steals, robs and destroys.
You get stuck on trinity and hellfire. I understand that totally.
Just let me tell you this- there are PLENTY of believers who belong to Christ who don't think the trinity is totally correct or that hell is a real eternal fire. PLENTY. No one has everything perfectly right and if they say they do.. I would run.
They just don't make big issues out of it because what really matters is, Do you know Jesus? You quote Matt all the time.. "Lord Lord""? and He says He never KNEW them. The WT stops you from knowing Him. You can't know Him without talking to Him. You need to hear His voice. He talks with us. It's something He makes His sheep know. You know He gave His life for all sin and that means yoursins too. You can't die for forgiveness. God pays US the wage- it's what we deserve. You can't pay your own wage. Take the FREE GIFT!! Then you will seee what I am saying! Of course thee are things to do next. But it wont make you EARN a gift. It is out of love and a changed heart that we obey Him. The spirit guides us Not man. All you owe is to love others- It is NOT love to teach others that they can't belong to Jesus. It is a LIE.
Jehovah loves Jesus and never gets jealous of HIS SON!! NEVER!! He is glorified in Jesus!! The Lamb and God in Rev 5 receive worship!! EVERY CREATURE IS WORSHIPPING GOD & the Lamb. The Lamb isnt a creature. You are and I am. We should worship along with EVERY creature onearth in heaven and under the earth!! Dont let man tell you not to!
Jws worry too much over detail and skip what truly matters---- !! How it it evil or satanic to point you to Jesus? It is Christ crucified that we preach. Why is that foolishness to Jws? Take time at the foot of His suffering that day. Picture being there kn owing He was suffering for your sins so you wouldnt have to pay the penalty. He died for your sins too. It is the truth.
Yes, this is the heart of the matter. There is a Someone Whom we can know, personally, a real two-way relationship. A relationship more intimate than any other because He shares Himself with my spirit.
Much love!
Keiw
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In the OT the unrepentant were stoned to death. Ones own family members had to partake. Be glad God changed it to disfellowshipping.
Keiw
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If you serve a trinity god-you will lose. It does not exist, they teach a fake Jesus.
No Jesus does not get worship-The one sitting on the throne in that passage does. Right before that it shows what God shares with the lamb-worship is not one of the things mentioned.
PS95
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PS95
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BALONEY. Open your heart and eyes, Keiw. it says what it says!
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice,
“Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,
“To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice,
“Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,
“To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
PS95
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Berean
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So if God hadn't changed stoning to disfellowshipping, would the Society promote stoning in the congregation today?
Keiw
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verse 14 doesn't say its to the lamb. Assuming NEVER makes a truth, verse 12 is clear what the lamb gets. Worship is not mentioned.
Keiw
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All who serve God put him-FIRST, over self, over family. Ones own family members had to participate in the stoning in the OT.
There is a case shown in the OT where God told Israels armies not to take a single thing of spoils from that war, Yet one soldier took silver or gold and buried it under his tent. Because the wife and children did not turn him in, God commanded him and all of his family be put to death.
Its hard enough now shunning ones own family members. It crushes those hearts to have to do that. But Jesus was clear--Even family members can become an enemy( spiritually) Matt 10:36) And the NT teaches Do not even eat a meal with one who was called brother( baptized) if they become unrepentant.1Cor 5:9-13
PS95
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PS95
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To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
PS95
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such a hard heart, Keiw. woweee c'mon now. HE IS NOT A CREATURE!!! I'm surprised your bible didnt stick OTHER in there!
“Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,
“To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.
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