Reader Poll - Where did the Bible come from?

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Where did the Bible come from?

  • God wrote it Himself

    Votes: 2 6.5%
  • God wrote it through infallible human authors

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • God wrote it through fallible human authors

    Votes: 12 38.7%
  • The Bible was written by inspired human authors

    Votes: 19 61.3%
  • Some parts of the Bible were written by inspired human authors

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • The Church chose from available writings to form the Bible

    Votes: 8 25.8%
  • Other - please comment

    Votes: 4 12.9%

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I didn't say that - read my claim again carefully.

I said

"With His Spirit, the Bible is His appointed, essential source of Truth.

Yes, direct revelation is a rich resource, but Scripture is an essential moderator."
Sure, thanks for highlighting that. Yes, the Spirit of Truth is our essential source of Truth. The Holy Spirit has been given the task of leading us into all truth and is the God appointed Moderator. I certainly don't need any other medium or entity, be it human or spiritual to be a intermediary between my Creators and I. Nor do we need any oral or written documents to adjudicate on any revelation as to its origin, authenticity or validity.

If I get a revelation I ask my Father if it's for me personally or if it is to be shared with others. He knows me completely and knows I'll share something by default. So He has to make it clear to me not to share it in order for me not to. But that's me.

What happens when Father gives you direct revelation? Are you willing to share some of those rich resources He has given to you?
 

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I'm not sure I know what you mean by what you've written in your post.
Quite often critics use arguments from the very source they are arguing against. That God is willing and able to work anywhere is a Biblical principle which doesn't need any extra-Biblical source to validate it.
 

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Quite often critics use arguments from the very source they are arguing against. That God is willing and able to work anywhere is a Biblical principle which doesn't need any extra-Biblical source to validate it.
Oh, OK cool.

I guess what I appreciate is the freedom to receive revelation through any means, that it, any means the Spirit chooses to use. Even the bibles, the 73, 66 or 81 book collection.
 

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Sure, thanks for highlighting that. Yes, the Spirit of Truth is our essential source of Truth. The Holy Spirit has been given the task of leading us into all truth and is the God appointed Moderator. I certainly don't need any other medium or entity, be it human or spiritual to be a intermediary between my Creators and I. Nor do we need any oral or written documents to adjudicate on any revelation as to its origin, authenticity or validity.

If I get a revelation I ask my Father if it's for me personally or if it is to be shared with others. He knows me completely and knows I'll share something by default. So He has to make it clear to me not to share it in order for me not to. But that's me.

What happens when Father gives you direct revelation? Are you willing to share some of those rich resources He has given to you?

Sure - but I had to wait 40 years before hr released me to do it...
 

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Please share the revelation as we may be encouraged by it.

Well folks are welcome to join the friendly bible study which the mods have set up, the only condition for entry is to agree with the Nicene Creed and not argue the trinity. This was done to move away from the aggressive dialogue that is so prevalent here and avoid the SDA and JW members and the like, who can't hear beyond what they have been taught.
We have endeavoured to create a safe environment in which the least can be heard and members can share what they believe God is saying as we study Scripture.
 

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Well folks are welcome to join the friendly bible study which the mods have set up, the only condition for entry is to agree with the Nicene Creed and not argue the trinity. This was done to move away from the aggressive dialogue that is so prevalent here and avoid the SDA and JW members and the like, who can't hear beyond what they have been taught.
We have endeavoured to create a safe environment in which the least can be heard and members can share what they believe God is saying as we study Scripture.
Take the risk, share away on this forum. Just one direct revelation. Maybe the latest one you received in the past week or so.
 
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Sure - but I had to wait 40 years before hr released me to do it...
That's a long time to wait but that's OK. Better to be obedient to the Spirit. The greatest revelation Father gave me He gave me the ok to share it within days of receiving it.

It was like nothing I had seen or heard in my life. It has transformed my thinking, my attitude and how I understand this life and the never ending life ahead. Most of all, how I see and relate to the Creators.

This was outside of the box and outside the bible. It has been unfolding over the past 2 years and the impact in my life and others have be awesome.
 
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Take the risk, share away on this forum. Just one direct revelation. Maybe the latest one you received in the past week or so.

OK... We are in Acts 2 at the moment and I have realised why the gift of tongues was manifest at Pentecost and not some other supernatural phenomena.
 

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Good for you. And how has this impacted your personal relationship with our Creators?

Only He is good.

The sense that He so wonderfully orchestrates events that present us with deeper insight into His awesome character is just deeply beautiful and reassuring.
 

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OK... We are in Acts 2 at the moment and I have realised why the gift of tongues was manifest at Pentecost and not some other supernatural phenomena.

Yes..

Here is why..

"Tongues are for a sign" and "Jews require a sign". "signs are for the Jews".

"Pentecost" was Jews, listening to a Jew, talk about their Jewish Messiah, whom they Crucified.

So, Peter the Jew performed a "sign", (Gift of Tongues) as they (the Jews) require this type of evidence.

This is one of the Reasons that Jesus The JEW, was always performing Miracles in front of Jews.. .as the Jews were looking for this, to recognize their Messiah..

"signs are for the Jews".
 

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Yes..

Here is why..

"Tongues are for a sign" and "Jews require a sign". "signs are for the Jews".

"Pentecost" was Jews, listening to a Jew, talk about their Jewish Messiah, whom they Crucified.

So, Peter the Jew performed a "sign", (Gift of Tongues) as they (the Jews) require this type of evidence.

This is one of the Reasons that Jesus The JEW, was always performing Miracles in front of Jews.. .as the Jews were looking for this, to recognize their Messiah..

"signs are for the Jews".

That didn't answer my question...

Why tongues and not some other supernatural phenomena ?
 

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That didn't answer my question...

Why tongues and not some other supernatural phenomena ?

Could you define what you mean by "some other sort of phenomena", by showing us how you are using that concept, ither for or against the "Gift of Tongues", that is on PAUL's list of 9 Spiritual gifts. ??

So, can you be concise, and explain what you are saying, asking? @Carl Emerson ?
 

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Only He is good.

The sense that He so wonderfully orchestrates events that present us with deeper insight into His awesome character is just deeply beautiful and reassuring.
Great to hear. Yes They are good and isn't it great to see the evidence of Their goodness in Their dealings with us who love Them. Likewise as Their character is seen in us who are being transformed into Their likeness by the indwelling Spirit.
 

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Could you define what you mean by "some other sort of phenomena", by showing us how you are using that concept, ither for or against the "Gift of Tongues", that is on PAUL's list of 9 Spiritual gifts. ??

So, can you be concise, and explain what you are saying, asking? @Carl Emerson ?

Sure...

First off I am not interested in debating for or against the gift of tongues. Nor am I interested in debating the spiritual gifts.

What I asked was why the Holy Spirit chose that specific gift to be manifest at Pentecost.

He was capable of manifesting any number of other signs but chose that one gift for a good reason.

He didn't have them walk on water or call fire down from heaven for very good reason.

First consider where the diverse languages came from in the first place.

Genesis 11
1 Now the whole earth had one language and the same words.
2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.
3 And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar.
4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.”
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built.
6 And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.”
8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.
9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth.

Before Babel there was one language.

Mankind then, conceived a plan fuelled by pride to establish themselves in one place and not be dispersed, contrary to the command in Genesis 1: 28 to fill the whole earth.

They were unified in this one false purpose undoubtedly assisted by Satanic Powers to establish a false kingdom in one place.

Pentecost then was God's response to Babel.

The birth of the church was conceived and motivated with God's Love in accordance with His Word and purpose.

The Kingdom of God was to fill the earth - every tribe language and tongue.

Peoples from the known world were gathered in Jerusalem and heard God's proclamations in their own language at the birth of the Church.

This reversed the confusion that God had subject mankind to, for His people, who are building His Kingdom in His love and obedience.

May your church be found with this foundation.

Not in the agreement we saw at Babel.
 
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Such a claim needs to be tested. It may just be outside your knowledge of the Bible.
Sure. But after reading the bible for 50 years I haven't come across this revelation before. Nor has anyone I've shared it with. But if you want to know more than I'm more than happy to share it with you.
 

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Sure...

First off I am not interested in debating for or against the gift of tongues. Nor am I interested in debating the spiritual gifts.

The argument regarding the "gift of Tongues", is a very simple misunderstanding.

There is a "prayer language", that is self edifying.... and then there is the "Gift of tongues"...that is to be able to speak a foreign language that you've never learned.

Some denominations, combined them as one, and teach that false theology, so, that is why the "tongues" issue, is always so misunderstood..., yet its a very simple understanding.


What I asked was why the Holy Spirit chose that specific gift to be manifest at Pentecost.


2 Reasons.

So, that the Jews could have their "sign", 1 Corinthians 14.

So, tongues are a sign, and they are a spiritual gift, and they are for unbelievers.... so that they can understand... that something supernatural is happening.

WE know that Paul and Peter both had this gift, as Peter used it, and Paul talked about it.

#2) ....Why was it used at Pentecost, for the Jews. ???
Because there were many dialects there, so God gave Peter the " Gift of Tongues", so that all the different dialects could hear and understand his message.

Here is the verse... Acts 2:8.... .they are amazed that they can understand Peter, and said this... they said 'HOW", and the answer is... "spiritual Gift", as a Sign to them... out of Peter's mouth. = "the gift of tongues". (foreign language).

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""""""Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?""""

New Living Translation
and yet we hear them speaking in our own native languages!

English Standard Version
And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?

Berean Standard Bible
How is it then that each of us hears them in his own native language?

Berean Literal Bible
And how do we each hear our own language in which we were born?

King James Bible
And how hear we every man in our own TONGUE, wherein we were born?