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BARNEY BRIGHT
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You're the one ignoring the facts that are in the scriptures. As I said Genesis 2:7 is very clear in that it teaches that human beings don't have living souls or living persons in our flesh and blood human bodies, but instead Genesis 2:7 teaches that human beings are living souls or living persons.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Aunty Jane
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Are you serious????
ASV... “And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
What do you know about scripture? Zilch! You don’t even understand the ones you quote.
With the breath (spirit) of life the “man BECAME a living soul”.....he was not given one.
A “soul” (nephesh) is a living, breathing creature, either man or animal....it never means a disembodied spirit.
For goodness sake, go and get some education, because your ignorance makes a complete fool of you....every single time you respond....and that is “for all to see”. You don’t know what you’re talking about....therefore your posts are a joke.
Wrangler
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Yes, Since Jesus' God is THE Savior, mutual exclusivity means Jesus is not. Jesus is my Savior but not God.
Hey, did you ever answer my question(s)? What is your take on Ps 110:1 using any translation you prefer?
Should I believe Kingdom Hell or Jesus?
Mark 9
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'
Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell!
There's ONLY one Savior.
Hosea 13
4 You shall know no God but Me; For there is no Savior besides Me.
Jesus is God!
Did you ever quote the Scripture?
I’m no grammarian so someone else may need to help us. I would capitalize the King of England, or the Attorney General, or Son of God etc.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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Jesus didn't just quote scripture Jack he reasoned on the scriptures he quoted and since we are to follow his example, we shouldn't just quote scripture. I don't only quote Genesis 2:7 but I also reason on that scripture about what God is teaching us concerning that scripture. So Jack, you say you are Jesus Christ disciple, are you capable of not just quoting Genesis 2:7 but are you able to reason on Genesis 2:7. Can you tell us in your own words what God is teaching us at Genesis 2:7. Quote Genesis 2:7 and explain to us in your own words what it's teaching us.
We should reason on the scriptures as Jesus did. He didn't just quote a scripture and not reason on it, and we as his disciples so we are to follow Jesus example. When Jesus was on earth there were a group of Jews called the Pharisees and they were well acquainted with Psalm 110. Yet Jesus drew attention to an important detail that is found in the first verse of Psalm 110. He asked, "what do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he? The Pharisees answered, David's. Then Jesus said to the Pharisees, How, then, is it that David by inspiration calls him Lord, saying, YHWH said to my Lord: Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet? If, therefore, David calls him Lord how is he his son? The Pharisees couldn't answer him. We can't just quote scripture Jack we must follow the example of Jesus Christ and reason on the scriptures too. When we reason on the scriptures as Jesus did, it will help us to read God's Word more carefully and not just quote it.
You're calling Jesus a liar. You shouldn't follow Kingdom Hall to Hell fire. You're not gonna like the Hell fire that Jesus warned you about.
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Wrangler
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Repeating it does not make it true. Jesus' God is THE savior while Jesus is our savior. Agency.
What game is this? I specifically asked for your thoughts on Psalm 110:1 - in any translation you prefer.
Wrangler
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My point is the converse. My point is NOT that titles are not capitalized. My point is that just because something is capitalized does not make it a title. MAGA. FIFO. I have a HOT date tonight. I grew up in Boston.
Typical JW argument, "The Bible doesn't mean what it says. It means what the WatchTower says it means".
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BARNEY BRIGHT
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Both YHWH God and Jesus Christ Savior
A savior is one who preserves or delivers from danger or destruction. YHWH God is identified as the principal Savior, the only Source of deliverance. (Isaiah 43:11; 45:21) He was the Savior and Deliverer of Israel, time and again. (Psalm 106:8, 10, 21; Isaiah 43:3; 45:15; Jeremiah 14:8) He saved not only the nation but also individuals who served him. (2Samuel 22:1-3) Often his salvation was through men raised up by him as saviors. (Nehemiah 9:27) During the period of the Judges, these special saviors were divinely selected and empowered to deliver Israel from foreign oppression. While these Judges were considered to be saviors it was YHWH God who was the principle savior because he was using these men to save his people(Judges 2:16; 3:9, 15) While the judge lived, he served to keep Israel in the right way, and this brought them relief from their enemies. (Judges 2:18) When Jesus was on earth, YHWH God was his Savior, supporting and strengthening him to maintain integrity through his strenuous trials..(Hebrew 5:7; Psalm 28:8)
Along with his role as Savior, YHWH God is also the “Repurchaser.” (Isaiah 49:26; 60:16) In the past he redeemed his people Israel from captivity. In delivering Christians from sin’s bondage, he does the repurchasing through his Son Jesus Christ (1John 4:14), YHWH God provision for salvation, who is therefore exalted as “Chief Agent and Savior.” (Acts 5:31) Accordingly, Jesus Christ can rightly be called “our Savior,” even though he performs the salvation as the agent of YHWH God. (Titus 1:4; 2Peter 1:11) The name Jesus, given to God’s Son by angelic direction, means “YHWH Is Salvation,” for, said the angel, “he will save his people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31) This name points out that YHWH God is the Source of salvation, that he accomplished through Jesus. For this reason we find the Father and the Son spoken of together in connection with salvation..(Titus 2:11-13; 3:4-6)
Salvation is provided by YHWH God through Jesus Christ for “all sorts of men.” (1Timothy 4:10) He saves them from sin and death (Roman 8:2), from Babylon the Great (Revelation 18:2, 4), from this world under Satan’s control (John 17:16; Colossians 1:13), and from destruction and everlasting death (Revelation 7:14-17; 21:3, 4). “A great crowd” is shown at Revelation 7:9, 10 attributing salvation to God and to the Lamb.
The ransom sacrifice is the basis for salvation, and as King and everlasting High Priest, Christ Jesus has the authority and power “to save completely those who are approaching God through him.” (Hebrew 7:23-25; Revelation 19:16) He is “a savior of this body,” the congregation of his anointed followers, and also of all who exercise faith in him..(Ephesians 5:23; 1John 4:14; John 3:16, 17)
A savior is one who preserves or delivers from danger or destruction. YHWH God is identified as the principal Savior, the only Source of deliverance. (Isaiah 43:11; 45:21) He was the Savior and Deliverer of Israel, time and again. (Psalm 106:8, 10, 21; Isaiah 43:3; 45:15; Jeremiah 14:8) He saved not only the nation but also individuals who served him. (2Samuel 22:1-3) Often his salvation was through men raised up by him as saviors. (Nehemiah 9:27) During the period of the Judges, these special saviors were divinely selected and empowered to deliver Israel from foreign oppression. While these Judges were considered to be saviors it was YHWH God who was the principle savior because he was using these men to save his people(Judges 2:16; 3:9, 15) While the judge lived, he served to keep Israel in the right way, and this brought them relief from their enemies. (Judges 2:18) When Jesus was on earth, YHWH God was his Savior, supporting and strengthening him to maintain integrity through his strenuous trials..(Hebrew 5:7; Psalm 28:8)
Along with his role as Savior, YHWH God is also the “Repurchaser.” (Isaiah 49:26; 60:16) In the past he redeemed his people Israel from captivity. In delivering Christians from sin’s bondage, he does the repurchasing through his Son Jesus Christ (1John 4:14), YHWH God provision for salvation, who is therefore exalted as “Chief Agent and Savior.” (Acts 5:31) Accordingly, Jesus Christ can rightly be called “our Savior,” even though he performs the salvation as the agent of YHWH God. (Titus 1:4; 2Peter 1:11) The name Jesus, given to God’s Son by angelic direction, means “YHWH Is Salvation,” for, said the angel, “he will save his people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21; Luke 1:31) This name points out that YHWH God is the Source of salvation, that he accomplished through Jesus. For this reason we find the Father and the Son spoken of together in connection with salvation..(Titus 2:11-13; 3:4-6)
Salvation is provided by YHWH God through Jesus Christ for “all sorts of men.” (1Timothy 4:10) He saves them from sin and death (Roman 8:2), from Babylon the Great (Revelation 18:2, 4), from this world under Satan’s control (John 17:16; Colossians 1:13), and from destruction and everlasting death (Revelation 7:14-17; 21:3, 4). “A great crowd” is shown at Revelation 7:9, 10 attributing salvation to God and to the Lamb.
The ransom sacrifice is the basis for salvation, and as King and everlasting High Priest, Christ Jesus has the authority and power “to save completely those who are approaching God through him.” (Hebrew 7:23-25; Revelation 19:16) He is “a savior of this body,” the congregation of his anointed followers, and also of all who exercise faith in him..(Ephesians 5:23; 1John 4:14; John 3:16, 17)
If God isn't your Savior you don't have a Savior.
Jude 1
25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.
BARNEY BRIGHT
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This statement is proof that you don't believe the scriptures, Jack. The scriptures show that YHWH God has used men in the past and these men in scripture were called saviors.(Nehemiah 9:27) These men who were imperfect men were not God just because in the scriptures these men were called saviors. YHWH God is the principle savior but he did use men that YHWH called saviors to save his people. The inspired scriptures show that both YHWH God and the lamb who is Jesus Christ are both saviors (Revelation 7:9,10). God isn't the liar Jack you are, because you're the one denying what God inspired to be written down.
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