Question about heaven

[His By Grace]

I'm not sure who you were responding to, but I do believe the 2 "men" were angels.So, what is meant by a "flaw" in someone's thinking. I truly don't understand.

 

[jburic09032]

Where does it say flaw?Hey kriss, do you agree with me?:

 

[Christina]

Its been so long I forgot the question:)remind me

 

[verzanumi24]

(jburic09032;48462)
When you get to heaven would you know anybody there? If a family member was there would you recognize them?
I'm sorry I am not trying to change the subject here but my mind is focus on being on the earth, at least in body, because this is where Jesus and the saints will be ruling and living.

 

[Martin W.]

(jburic09032;48462)
When you get to heaven would you know anybody there? If a family member was there would you recognize them?
Yes , absolutely.They look exactly like they did in the flesh , only now they look perfect . Absolutely perfect. Words cannot describe. You would be amazed.Perfect beauty.Martin

 

[bethog]

QUOTE (jburic09032 @ May 8 2008, 12:51 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=48462
When you get to heaven would you know anybody there? If a family member was there would you recognize them?
There is only one and straight forward answer to this question. Yes.Prove from Scripture:Luke 16:19-23 19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.Here we see that after death people recognized each other and what was, shall be again and we will either in Heaven or in Hell recognize each other after death.

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

I'm glad we'll recognize eachother. I can't wait to find Adam and ask him, "What were you thinking??????!!!!!!!" That and sneak up on my Grandma cause she seems convinced I'm goin straight to hell.

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 6 2009, 10:32 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71967
I'm glad we'll recognize eachother. I can't wait to find Adam and ask him, "What were you thinking??????!!!!!!!" That and sneak up on my Grandma cause she seems convinced I'm goin straight to hell.
Sorry if I'm a bit nosy on this, but I felt that I have to say something... What is up with people today? Have they heard or lost their mind about the fact that once repent of their sins, asking forgiveness to God in Christ's name... their sin are wipe clean and acts like they never existed. Of course this can be done by true repentance and not by lip services. And we are not allowed to judge the person... we are only allow to judge one's actions to see if their fruit is of God or Satan.

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 6 2009, 11:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71969
Sorry if I'm a bit nosy on this, but I felt that I have to say something... What is up with people today? Have they heard or lost their mind about the fact that once repent of their sins, asking forgiveness to God in Christ's name... their sin are wipe clean and acts like they never existed. Of course this can be done by true repentance and not by lip services. And we are not allowed to judge the person... we are only allow to judge one's actions to see if their fruit is of God or Satan.
It was a joke Jordan, sheesh!

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 6 2009, 11:45 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71978
QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 6 2009, 10:38 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71969
Sorry if I'm a bit nosy on this, but I felt that I have to say something... What is up with people today? Have they heard or lost their mind about the fact that once repent of their sins, asking forgiveness to God in Christ's name... their sin are wipe clean and acts like they never existed. Of course this can be done by true repentance and not by lip services. And we are not allowed to judge the person... we are only allow to judge one's actions to see if their fruit is of God or Satan.
It was a joke Jordan, sheesh!

I hate to say this, but I can't detect humour or at least very well.

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 7 2009, 12:47 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71979
It was a joke Jordan, sheesh!

I hate to say this, but I can't detect humour or at least very well.
LOL! You're not alone in this. Happens all the time. I thought about not making jokes anymore at one point cause the people that don't know me don't get it. But, it's worth it for the people that do cause we all laugh.Okay, first, The Adam thing was a joke, cause I know we wont remember sin, and we wont bring it up in heaven. I'm not mad at him anyway. My Grandma doesn't think I understand God or know anything about him. And considering my lifestyle that I lead she has no other proof. So, I think it would be funny to sneek up behind her and she'd be surprised. Although I know yet again, that we wont remember stuff like that.

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 6 2009, 11:56 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71980
QUOTE (Jordan @ Apr 6 2009, 11:47 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71979
I hate to say this, but I can't detect humour or at least very well.
LOL! You're not alone in this. Happens all the time. I thought about not making jokes anymore at one point cause the people that don't know me don't get it. But, it's worth it for the people that do cause we all laugh.Okay, first, The Adam thing was a joke, cause I know we wont remember sin, and we wont bring it up in heaven. I'm not mad at him anyway. My Grandma doesn't think I understand God or know anything about him. And considering my lifestyle that I lead she has no other proof. So, I think it would be funny to sneek up behind her and she'd be surprised. Although I know yet again, that we wont remember stuff like that.Humour is good for the soul even the bible says there is a time for laughing. (Ecclesiastes 3:4) but I never been so good at detecting it. At the Millennium Reign, those who aren't of the First Resurrection... those who are good people, but been mislead by Satan's lies and people who never had a chance to have free will to accept God, never hearing the Truth (death of unborn babies and any person of any age who never ever heard God) will be taught Truth for 1,000 years (1 Day to God) before Satan to deceive "the nations" again before Judgment Day. (Revelation 20:11-15) And at the Millennium Reign, while Satan at the pit for 1,000 years... nobody will ever bring their traditions of men at this time.

But I am glad we will see our family in the Millennium Reign and will be taught.

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

Humor is good. I think I spend atleast 1/3 of my day laughing at something. I find humor in almost anything I see, sometimes it's dry, sometimes it's obscure, sometimes it's just plain stupid.I'm not so sure I agree with you on the 1,000 year deal though. I haven't found any scriptural proof for everyone getting the chance. I can see where you're getting it. I'll have to read some more about it.

 

[Jordan]

QUOTE (WhiteKnuckle @ Apr 7 2009, 12:15 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=71985
Humor is good. I think I spend atleast 1/3 of my day laughing at something. I find humor in almost anything I see, sometimes it's dry, sometimes it's obscure, sometimes it's just plain stupid.I'm not so sure I agree with you on the 1,000 year deal though. I haven't found any scriptural proof for everyone getting the chance. I can see where you're getting it. I'll have to read some more about it.
That's OK, just at least put it in the shelf for now... it will fit later.

 

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QUOTE (jburic09032 @ May 7 2008, 06:51 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=48462
When you get to heaven would you know anybody there? If a family member was there would you recognize them?
Yes. Absolutely.First remember that Heaven is not our final destination. We are destined for physical resurrection as demonstrated by Our Lord. Did His disciples recognize Him after He arose from the tomb? Yes they did. Were they able to talk together, enjoy a meal and one another's company? Yes they did.And so shall we if we have made peace with Him.

 

[verzanumi24]

QUOTE (jburic09032 @ May 7 2008, 06:51 PM)
When you get to heaven would you know anybody there? If a family member was there would you recognize them?
Yes. Absolutely.First remember that Heaven is not our final destination. We are destined for physical resurrection as demonstrated by Our Lord. Did His disciples recognize Him after He arose from the tomb? Yes they did. Were they able to talk together, enjoy a meal and one another's company? Yes they did.And so shall we if we have made peace with Him.

Haven is not the destination of God's period. No one will be interested in going to Heaven because the Earth will be the center of where God's will will be carried outwards to the universe. Much activity will be going on here on the Earth as God's children travel back and forth from the Earth to universe creating and expanding the kingdom of God, and bring their glory and honor to the Great City that will be on the Earth. Since the saints will receive a body and brain just like Jesus' they will be able to be in several places at the same time or will not even have to leave the Earth if they so choose to do what they want to do anywhere in the universe.


The truth is far far more exciting than the lie that most Christian believe that God's people are going to go to Heaven when Jesus returns.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, jburic09032.

When you get to heaven would you know anybody there? If a family member was there would you recognize them?

Undoubtedly. We have Scripture that verifies that:

1 Corinthians 13:8-13
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
KJV

The Greek phrase for "but then shall I know even as also I am known" is "tote de epignoosomai kathoos kai epegnoostheen."

tote = then
de = but
epignoosomai = I shall know
kathoos = like
kai = and/also
epegnoostheen = I shall be known

Both words, epignoosomai and epegnoostheen, come from epignooskoo, which means "I shall know upon some mark" or "I shall recognize." In Greek, as in Spanish, there are two separate words for "knowing" as with intelligence (Greek: ginooskoo; Spanish: saber) and "knowing" for recognition (Greek: epignooskoo; Spanish: conoser). This is the word for recognition.

Therefore, yes, we will recognize and we shall be recognized.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

When you get to heaven would you know anybody there? If a family member was there would you recognize them?

Yes , absolutely , I have been there for 32 seconds and saw it (long story)

People look exactly like they did down here .... only absolutely perfect , hard to describe.

I am talking about "Heaven" as the place where departed loved ones are now .... (In the Spirit)

 

[verzanumi24]

Shalom, jburic09032.



Undoubtedly. We have Scripture that verifies that:

1 Corinthians 13:8-13
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
KJV

The Greek phrase for "but then shall I know even as also I am known" is "tote de epignoosomai kathoos kai epegnoostheen."

tote = then
de = but
epignoosomai = I shall know
kathoos = like
kai = and/also
epegnoostheen = I shall be known

Both words, epignoosomai and epegnoostheen, come from epignooskoo, which means "I shall know upon some mark" or "I shall recognize." In Greek, as in Spanish, there are two separate words for "knowing" as with intelligence (Greek: ginooskoo; Spanish: saber) and "knowing" for recognition (Greek: epignooskoo; Spanish: conoser). This is the word for recognition.

Therefore, yes, we will recognize and we shall be recognized.

That is not to be taken literally face to face it is talking about things one may not understand now that will be clear later in glory. If you notice no specific person is mentioned.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, verzanumi24.

Heaven is not the destination of God's period. No one will be interested in going to Heaven because the Earth will be the center of where God's will will be carried outwards to the universe. Much activity will be going on here on the Earth as God's children travel back and forth from the Earth to universe creating and expanding the kingdom of God, and bring their glory and honor to the Great City that will be on the Earth. Since the saints will receive a body and brain just like Jesus' they will be able to be in several places at the same time or will not even have to leave the Earth if they so choose to do what they want to do anywhere in the universe.


The truth is far far more exciting than the lie that most Christian believe that God's people are going to go to Heaven when Jesus returns.

You're right, of course. I was speaking more to the issue of whether we will recognize others, but there is no "Heaven" in the traditional sense. However, we should qualify that:

First, there MAY be a "Heaven" if the spirits of people who have died do, in fact, go to Paradise when they die and if Paradise can be said to be "Heaven."

"Paradise" is an English transliteration of the Greek word "paradeisos," which in turn is a transliteration of the Hebrew word "pardeec" meaning "a park; an orchard." It is a nickname for the New Jerusalem where Yeshua` (Jesus) went after He ascended, because in the New Jerusalem exists the Tree of Life and the Water of Life. He SAID He was going to "prepare us a place in His Father's house," and Yochanan (John) said that the New Jerusalem was the "tabernacle of God." The word "tabernacle" comes from the Greek word "skeenee" meaning a Bedouin "tent," much as that in which Avraham (Abraham) lived.

Second, after the Millennium - the first 1000 years of Yeshua's reign - the New Jerusalem will descend to the New Earth (re-created after the Fire which occurs immediately after the Millennium). At that time, "Heaven," if you will allow it to be called that, will be on earth.

Third, there is no "Heaven," per se, as a non-material, immaterial or other-dimensional place. The word "heaven" comes from the Greek word "ouranos" which means the "sky." No better place is this seen than in the Greek New Testament of Matthew 16:1-4:

The KJV says,

Matthew 16:1-4
1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
KJV

The Greek NT says,

Kata Maththaion 16:1-4
1 Kai proselthontes hoi Farisaioi kai Saddoukaioi peirazontes epeerooteesan auton seemeion ek tou ouranou epideixai autois.
2 Ho de apokritheis eipen autois, "Opsias genomenees legete, 'Eudia, purrazei gar ho ouranos.'
3 Kai prooi, 'Seemeron cheimoon, purrazei gar stugnazoon ho ouranos.' To men prosoopon tou ouranou ginooskete diakrinein, ta de seemeia toon karioon ou dunasthe?
4 Genea poneera kai moichalis seemeion epizeetei, kai seemeion ou dotheesetai autee ei mee to seemeion Ioona." Kai katalipoon autous apeelthen.
Greek New Testament (United Bible Societies)

Notice that the SAME WORD translated "heaven" in verse 1 is translated "sky" in verses 2 and 3! (Endings just determine case and number.)

Now, there ARE other Greek words translated as "heaven," "heavens," or "heavenly": ouranothen, mesouraneema, ouranios, and epouranios. However, each of these is based upon "ouranos." The word "ouranothen" means "from ouranos"; "mesouraneema" means "in the middle of ouranos"; "ouranios" is an adjective form that means "of ouranos"; and "epouranios" means "of above-ouranos." The only one that refers to some place other than the "sky" is "epouranios." If it means "of above-the-sky," then it refers to what we call "outer space." This word is sometimes translated as "celestial," as in 1 Corinthians 15:40-41:

1 Corinthians 15:40-41
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
KJV

So, as one can see, "celestial" (epouranios) refers to bodies such as the "sun," "moon," and "stars." It is also currently used of the New Jerusalem:

Hebrews 12:22
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly (Greek: epouranios) Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
KJV

However, when the city comes down to the New Earth, it comes out of the "ouranos":

Revelation 21:2
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven (Greek: ouranos), prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
KJV

Now, I don't know if or why we would be zipping all over the universe, but we could...I suppose. However, one must admit that this is pure speculation because the Scriptures are silent about this part of what you wrote.

Shalom again, verzanumi24.

That is not to be taken literally face to face it is talking about things one may not understand now that will be clear later in glory. If you notice no specific person is mentioned.

Sure it is! Why not? Just because Paul chose to leave it nebulous so that it applies to all, that doesn't mean that he meant it in some figurative way! To the contrary, he IS talking about the future, and he is talking about when "that which is perfect (mature) is come." Why would you say otherwise? Please don't be contrary just to be contrary. We have enough of that on this board already!