Q for JW- KIEW?

[Keiw]

The WatchTower mistranslated it? Actually they got it right but later decided it doesn't fit WatchTower unBiblical doctrines. They deceitfully edited it out as they did with Peter's comment to Jesus, "Lord you know ALL THINGS"! You're saying the WatchTower was WRONG about the most important doctrine in the Bible, Jesus THE Savior! And therefore the WatchTower MISLED many people about THE Savior!

We know Jesus is savior. His dying a perfect existence, completing the ransom sacrifice made him a savior. Jehovah was savior until that point.
The Greek word rendered worship to God carries 4 other meanings=1) obeisance to a king, 2) honor to a judge, plus 2 others. Since every Israelite and every bible writer knew 100% the Messiah Jesus has a God( Psalm 45:7)--they would not ever give worship to him. They bowed in obeisance to Gods appointed king=100% fact of reality.
Catholicism put worship to fit their false council creation of God being a trinity. The ones lead by the darkness believe it.

 

[David in NJ]

We know Jesus is savior. His dying a perfect existence, completing the ransom sacrifice made him a savior. Jehovah was savior until that point.
The Greek word rendered worship to God carries 4 other meanings=1) obeisance to a king, 2) honor to a judge, plus 2 others. Since every Israelite and every bible writer knew 100% the Messiah Jesus has a God( Psalm 45:7)--they would not ever give worship to him. They bowed in obeisance to Gods appointed king=100% fact of reality.
Catholicism put worship to fit their false council creation of God being a trinity. The ones lead by the darkness believe it.

Isaiah 43:11
“I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.

 

[PS95]

That proves your darkness 100% Because the real Jesus points his real followers to his Father in all things. See Matt 6:33 he teaches to seek his Fathers righteousness first not his own. See John 4:22-24--He teaches the true followers will worship the Father in spirit and truth=0 mention of 3. Its you who will not listen to Jesus.

My darkness has been broken through totally by none other than Him who you say is your God. Hallelujah!
Matt teaches you to SEEK HIS FATHER'S RIGHTEOUSNESS-- YES. THAT IS JESUS CHRIST> HE IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS> THE VERY RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD>= JESUS.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHTEOUSNESS IF YOU DONT BELONG TO JESUS> NONE.
THE WATCHTOWER IS LYING TO YOU.
YES worship in SPIRIT and TRUTH. TRUTH IS JESUS NOT THE WATCHTOWER.
HE DIED TO PAY FOR OUR SINS. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT< KEIW?

 

[Keiw]

Isaiah 43:11
“I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.

LORD=YHVH(Jehovah)--There was no other savior at that point. OT) Jesus became savior on his success of the ransom sacrifice in the NT.

 

[Keiw]

My darkness has been broken through totally by none other than Him who you say is your God. Hallelujah!
Matt teaches you to SEEK HIS FATHER'S RIGHTEOUSNESS-- YES. THAT IS JESUS CHRIST> HE IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS> THE VERY RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD>= JESUS.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHTEOUSNESS IF YOU DONT BELONG TO JESUS> NONE.
THE WATCHTOWER IS LYING TO YOU.
YES worship in SPIRIT and TRUTH. TRUTH IS JESUS NOT THE WATCHTOWER.
HE DIED TO PAY FOR OUR SINS. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT< KEIW?

Hallelujah translates-Praise be to Jehovah.

 

[PS95]

Hallelujah translates-Praise be to Jehovah.

no kidding. are you proud of me? --Address the REST of the POST.--

 

[David in NJ]

LORD=YHVH(Jehovah)--There was no other savior at that point. OT) Jesus became savior on his success of the ransom sacrifice in the NT.

God never said that.

FYI = All liars will have their part in the 'Lake of Fire'.

 

[PS95]

LORD=YHVH(Jehovah)--There was no other savior at that point. OT) Jesus became savior on his success of the ransom sacrifice in the NT.

Wrong. He does not make it up as He goes along! God has ALWAYS had a plan of Salvation- HIS SON- our ONLY Savior. The Savior of Jews and Gentiles since before the world began.
“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” Rev 13:8
You were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you” 1 Pe 1 18-20

Always been our Savior. Always.

 

[Wrangler]

My darkness has been broken through totally

Not based on some of your replies to me.

Matthew 25:40-45
Contemporary English Version
40 The king will answer, “Whenever you did it for any of my people, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did it for me.”

41 Then the king will say to those on his left, “Get away from me! You are under God's curse. Go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels! 42 I was hungry, but you did not give me anything to eat, and I was thirsty, but you did not give me anything to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not welcome me, and I was naked, but you did not give me any clothes to wear. I was sick and in jail, but you did not take care of me.”

44 Then the people will ask, “Lord, when did we fail to help you when you were hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in jail?”

45 The king will say to them, “Whenever you failed to help any of my people, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do it for me.”

 

[PS95]

Not based on some of your replies to me.

Matthew 25:40-45
Contemporary English Version
40 The king will answer, “Whenever you did it for any of my people, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you did it for me.”

41 Then the king will say to those on his left, “Get away from me! You are under God's curse. Go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels! 42 I was hungry, but you did not give me anything to eat, and I was thirsty, but you did not give me anything to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not welcome me, and I was naked, but you did not give me any clothes to wear. I was sick and in jail, but you did not take care of me.”

44 Then the people will ask, “Lord, when did we fail to help you when you were hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in jail?”

45 The king will say to them, “Whenever you failed to help any of my people, no matter how unimportant they seemed, you failed to do it for me.”

This is rich, Wrangler.
I am saying you are wrong for calling My Lord a liar- --yet you were all over Zao for thinking Paul had been hypocritical. Ok.
What would you have me do for you? Apologize? I dont owe you one.

 

[Jack]

That what that thread was about where he claims Jesus is a liar. Go read it.

It's classic. This thread is SO simple. JWS read romans 6 in context- it doesnt mean what JWs cherrypick out of it.-- It's is about our life now while alive in CHRIST! Can a JW read that? NOPE. The WTBS didnt tell them yet. It is only then that they will. they are puppets of the tower.
But poofff- someone turns it AWAY from the topic into how hot is hell or the trinity is evil while JW Michael's impersonal life-force in Mary's ovum is IGNORED. Jws rejoice in the bliss of their drool over the changed subject to their pet drivel.
I will say ONE thing for JWS- they are smart as in cunning- and know what to avoid in their teachings and what to start endless debates over. They have 2 pet topics or Havent you noticed? they go NOWHERE.
The sad thing is that CHRISTIANS NEVER learn those topics are their bait, so they CAN AVOID all of their other false teachinsg which deny them Christ.- and it still APPEARS as if they are actually participating in a real debate. They post the same 10 verses over and over regardless of context. These peope dont know their bibles! It's a con game and it works everytime. Christians will argue with anyone. duh
And you expect them to grasp anything you show them? HOW CAN THEY when they deny the BASIC GOSPEL?
The JW gospel is 1914 invisible return of Michael who picked them as top church (while they creature worshiped Russell lol) so you cant work as a Jw to maybe get a resurrection to prove yourself worthy over the next 1000 years----where their leaders rule over them..
They are under the spell of pathetic LIARS & they themselves are children of those liars who LIVE to deceive others.
You are wasting your time while feeding their dripping tongues.
NEVER expect them to comprehend a thing if they reject the basic GOSPEL! Teach them the gospel first-- and/or help me to show them why those whom they listen to are liars.
Nothing will change with JWs rank & file until they see that their leaders are dishonest. Please understand that about JWs. They do not mean to, but they worship DECEITFUL BLIND MEN.
They can't hear you or me OR Jesus HIMSELF EVEN IF if He stood right next to them & spoke if the WTBS told them not to listen.
KNOW THAT.
THIS Is wicked mind control.

When JW's are TWISTING the Hell out of Scripture they are avoiding it like plague!

 

[Jack]

We know Jesus is savior. His dying a perfect existence, completing the ransom sacrifice made him a savior. Jehovah was savior until that point.
The Greek word rendered worship to God carries 4 other meanings=1) obeisance to a king, 2) honor to a judge, plus 2 others. Since every Israelite and every bible writer knew 100% the Messiah Jesus has a God( Psalm 45:7)--they would not ever give worship to him. They bowed in obeisance to Gods appointed king=100% fact of reality.
Catholicism put worship to fit their false council creation of God being a trinity. The ones lead by the darkness believe it.

EVASIVE as usual! The WatchTower admits to a terrible translation in Scripture about Jesus, thereby admitting they totally misled MILLIONS of JW's about the Savior! And YOU accuse our Bibles of being errors and Satanic! Utter hypocrisy!

 

[face2face]

We know Jesus is savior. His dying a perfect existence, completing the ransom sacrifice made him a savior. Jehovah was savior until that point.
The Greek word rendered worship to God carries 4 other meanings=1) obeisance to a king, 2) honor to a judge, plus 2 others. Since every Israelite and every bible writer knew 100% the Messiah Jesus has a God( Psalm 45:7)--they would not ever give worship to him. They bowed in obeisance to Gods appointed king=100% fact of reality.
Catholicism put worship to fit their false council creation of God being a trinity. The ones lead by the darkness believe it.

Seems like a few are ganging up on your here Keiw?

You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions
Ps 45:7.

Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms in Christ Eph 1:3.

The issue is the infection of Platonic doctrine in the minds of Christians who cannot understand that Jesus has both a Creator and a God. He is the New Creation - first-fruits - first begotten from the dead.

You are wasting your time engaging with these people K as they have the Bible 2nd and their Council Creeds 1st and the 1st trumps the 2nd.

Just think they have 2000 years of error upon error in their minds - how can they ever see clearly?

Impossible!

F2F

 

[Jack]

Seems like a few are ganging up on your here Keiw?

You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions
Ps 45:7.

Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms in Christ Eph 1:3.

The issue is the infection of Platonic doctrine in the minds of Christians who cannot understand that Jesus has both a Creator and a God. He is the New Creation - first-fruits - first begotten from the dead.

You are wasting your time engaging with these people K as they have the Bible 2nd and their Council Creeds 1st and the 1st trumps the 2nd.

Just think they have 2000 years of error upon error in their minds - how can they ever see clearly?

Impossible!

F2F

You avoid LOTS of Scripture!

Isaiah 9:6 A male child born, "Mighty God", "Everlasting Father"!

One of many.

 

[TheHC]

Isaiah 43:11
“I, even I, am the LORD,
And there is no savior besides Me.

Who “sent” Jesus? “The only true God.” (John 17:3) What if Jehovah God hadn’t sent a redeemer for mankind? There wouldn’t be one.

But fortunately for us God loves humans. So does His only begotten Son, Jesus. Proverbs 8:30,31

 

[Wrangler]

This is rich, Wrangler.
I am saying you are wrong for calling My Lord a liar- --yet you were all over Zao for thinking Paul had been hypocritical. Ok.
What would you have me do for you? Apologize? I dont owe you one.

I'm glad you asked what you could do. 1st, stop the nastiness.

2nd accept the explanation I already gave you; I never called Jesus a liar, only that he obviously lied. The latter is a tactic in war, which our lord obviously fought - and won; a war against evil. The former is an assessment of character.

Do you study history? Do you know the Germans were lied to repeatedly about the invasion being at Calais? Deception is a tool in the art of war. So, that's 3rd, accept:

1. deception is a tool in the art of war;
2. We are at war, the ongoing war between good and evil.

If you were alive at the time of Christ's birth and knew where he was going to be born and the devil asked you where, would you tell him? I wouldn't.

It is my firm opinion that Christians today are overly spiritualized and neglect soulful things, things of this world that the body needs. Where does this idea come from that Jesus and his God cannot lie in the face of text showing they did? Consider God telling Abraham to slaughter his own son. That is a tough lesson but it begins in deception. Sure, we can call it a test but it is a deceptive test. What does it tell us that God rewarded the Midwives of Pharoah for lying about killing new born Hebrew babies or Rahab for lying FOR Joshua's men?

Did you ever read the verse were 400 prophets were lied to? We should be able to trust a prophet telling us the word of God, right? The text reveals a more sophisticated truth than simply "good guys don't lie." Jesus often did not give a straight answer. What do you call that? I love Jesus and his character is holy and I try to tell the difficult truths as he did.

1 Kings 22:22-23 (REV)
22“And Yahweh said to him, ‘How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And he said, ‘You will entice him and will also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23“So now, behold, Yahweh has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all of these prophets of yours, and Yahweh has spoken evil concerning you.”

 

[David in NJ]

Who “sent” Jesus? “The only true God.” (John 17:3) What if Jehovah God hadn’t sent a redeemer for mankind? There wouldn’t be one.

But fortunately for us God loves humans. So does His only begotten Son, Jesus. Proverbs 8:30,31

Where did Jesus come from?

 

[TheHC]

Seems like a few are ganging up on your here Keiw?

You love justice and hate evil. For this reason God, your God has anointed you with the oil of joy, elevating you above your companions
Ps 45:7.

Blessed is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms in Christ Eph 1:3.

The issue is the infection of Platonic doctrine in the minds of Christians who cannot understand that Jesus has both a Creator and a God. He is the New Creation - first-fruits - first begotten from the dead.

You are wasting your time engaging with these people K as they have the Bible 2nd and their Council Creeds 1st and the 1st trumps the 2nd.

Just think they have 2000 years of error upon error in their minds - how can they ever see clearly?

Impossible!

F2F

That’s why the leaders of Christendom bear a heavier guilt. They’ve supported the world and its wars, even causing some, and have encouraged their flocks to kill each other, due to inane ideas about geography or ideology. This is in direct disobedience to Christ’s commands! — John 13:34,35; John 15:12; c.f. Matthew 7:22,23. John 15:19; James 4:4

And they also allow sexually immoral people to have active roles in their congregations, again disregarding Scripture. — 1 Corinthians chap.5.

But yet, in some people’s minds, we’re the evil ones.

Appreciated your post.

 

[David in NJ]

Who “sent” Jesus? “The only true God.” (John 17:3) What if Jehovah God hadn’t sent a redeemer for mankind? There wouldn’t be one.

But fortunately for us God loves humans. So does His only begotten Son, Jesus. Proverbs 8:30

That’s why the leaders of Christendom bear a heavier guilt. They’ve supported the world and its wars, even causing some, and have encouraged their flocks to kill each other, due to inane ideas about geography or ideology. This is in direct disobedience to Christ’s commands! — John 13:34,35; John 15:12; c.f. Matthew 7:22,23. John 15:19; James 4:4

And they also allow sexually immoral people to have active roles in their congregations, again disregarding Scripture. — 1 Corinthians chap.5.

But yet, in some people’s minds, we’re the evil ones.

Appreciated your post.

The Hebrew word for God is Elohim which is PLURAL and contains within the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT

Thus God sent Himself in the form of the Only Begotten of the Father.

Thus "Let Us make man in Our Image according to Our likeness" - Genesis

 

[TheHC]

Where did Jesus come from?

A son comes from a father. Jesus’ father, was the Almighty God. So Jesus is divine, since divine means “of or from God”.

But I asked you questions first…