Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[Jun2u]

go with that if you like, but you will not find any "will you please forgive me" there--where you might note the publican did not ask anything, see, even though it is implied in English that is not the tense in the Greek; he is "saying," not "asking"--nor anywhere else in the Book.

Yourself have agreed the quote is implied. It doesn’t make sense if the publican was just making a statement.

In fact, the following verse tells us he went home justified. The word justify/justified, or justification in Scripture means to be righteous.

To God Be The Glory

 

[bbyrd009]

In fact, when someone becomes saved ALL of his sins past, present, and future have been redeemed and paid for by Christ. Anyone who has become born from above ALL of his sins are forgiven him and has eternal life at the moment of conversion. There is not a sin that he can commit which will threaten him with hell (1 John 3:9).

My friend you are teaching heresy!

trust me, that up there is a mess too ok, no offense. brb on this

Yourself have agreed the quote is implied. It doesn’t make sense if the publican was just making a statement.

well, it doesn't make sense to us, i agree, but imo this is bc God is Love. Confession leads to salvation, right, and there is no "ask for forgiveness" in the Bible--which btw i'm still trying to wrap my head around--and imo the publican was making a position statement, if you will. "God, be merciful to me, a sinner" is not a request, and i haven't looked but i would bet you a lot that it is qual imperative in the original?

In fact, the following verse tells us he went home justified. The word justify/justified, or justification in Scripture means to be righteous.

well...those terms have two definitions each, at least, but i am agreeing with you there.

 

[bbyrd009]

In fact, when someone becomes saved ALL of his sins past, present, and future have been redeemed and paid for by Christ.

well, the whole world's sins have been redeemed and paid for, so...

Anyone who has become born from above ALL of his sins are forgiven him and has eternal life at the moment of conversion.

see above, although this is a different subject i guess. Forgiveness is not redemption, etc

There is not a sin that he can commit which will threaten him with hell (1 John 3:9).

so "salvation" here becomes a switch that gets thrown when one holds the correct beliefs in their minds, and if one makes the correct noises with their mouth they can get "saved." forever. The implication being that they will then go somewhere special or different after they have literally died, right?

 

[bbyrd009]

There is not a sin that he can commit which will threaten him with hell (1 John 3:9).

so imo this v is being misinterpreted, and it is not saying what you are trying to make it say, the "you" here being plural and i guess even the majority? So i mean don't get me wrong, i know you inherited the interpretation ok, but this v is not saying that bc you have made some noises with your mouth you cannot possibly sin, it is saying that bc you have made a commitment you must work to fulfill it, you "cannot" meaning "do not, at all costs" iow. It is just put that way so that your ancestors could misinterpret it to suit themselves and deceive you too imo.

Confession leads to salvation regardless of whether you deem yourself "lost" or "saved."
And your sins are forgiven regardless of how you deem yourself too!
The forgiveness is not contingent upon the confession; the salvation is.

Now we might wonder how someone whose sins are all forgiven--Hitler, for instance--would have any problems "entering heaven" without "being saved," but we have now forgotten about confession here first off--that thing that Hitler ostensibly did not do--and secondly we are no longer even talking about Life, more abundantly see, we are now discussing the Cult of Sol Invictus, the many that will be singing 'when we all get to heaven'
imo

 

[Helen]

Did you get the acronym afaic? :)

NO!! You are getting much too clever.

 

[Helen]

The kind of salvation you teach is alien to the Bible! What happens to those grown people who have a mind of a two, three, or four-year-olds who do not know right from wrong and not know what repentance is, are they then lost? According to your gospel, they are. But the truth is God is the Savior NOT man!!!

In fact, when someone becomes saved ALL of his sins past, present, and future have been redeemed and paid for by Christ. Anyone who has become born from above ALL of his sins are forgiven him and has eternal life at the moment of conversion. There is not a sin that he can commit which will threaten him with hell (1 John 3:9).

Amen indeed!! Jesus either did what He came here to do, or He didn't.
Good post...

 

[Helen]

so "salvation" here becomes a switch that gets thrown when one holds the correct beliefs in their minds, and if one makes the correct noises with their mouth they can get "saved." forever. The implication being that they will then go somewhere special or different after they have literally died, right?

It says ...believe in the heart and confess with the mouth...only then can be be renewed in our mind.

I agree with Jun2u Jesus came to save the world...and He did.
His spotless blood is and was enough...Father saw the travail of His soul and was SATISFIED. Isa 53
Jesus took all judgement upon Himself ...the Father poured it out onto His Son. No wonder Jesus shed drops of blood...He knew he would bear the weight of the world.
Anything less is NOT The Gospel at all.
This is the awesome Good News ...The Second Adam.

.....H

 

[justbyfaith]

Did you get the acronym afaic? :)

It makes me think that a duck is going to hand me some money...

I have no idea what it stands for and would love it if you would educate us.

 

[bbyrd009]

I agree with Jun2u Jesus came to save the world...and He did.

ah, i haven't heard him say that yet, sounded to me like some Special Snowflakes were getting in to something someday, somewhere, based upon some professions they had made

Jesus took all judgement upon Himself ...the Father poured it out onto His Son.

No Son of Man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins will die
go, and sin no more
be perfect, as I am perfect

 

[bbyrd009]

It makes me think that a duck is going to hand me some money...

I have no idea what it stands for and would love it if you would educate us.

ha, my mom has been in AFLAC for years.
buy AFLAC if you are the insurance-buying type, but don't sell AFLAC imo

 

[bbyrd009]

No wonder Jesus shed drops of blood

that you cannot Quote anywhere, yes

Luke 22:44 Lexicon: And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.

emphasis mine

 

[Helen]

ah, i haven't heard him say that yet, sounded to me like some Special Snowflakes were getting in to something someday, somewhere, based upon some professions they had made

No Son of Man may die for another's sins; the soul that sins will die
go, and sin no more
be perfect, as I am perfect

....you are entitled to your opinion. LOL

I have seen you quote many times :-
< No Son of Man may die for another's sins; >
Where do you get that? Are you building a doctrine around that? ;)

Anyway...

You in your small corner (with your small God) and I in mine :)

 

[bbyrd009]

< No Son of Man may die for another's sins; >
Where do you get that? Are you building a doctrine around that? ;)

Ezekiel 18:20 Lexicon: "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

and wadr i am not the one saying that this v is not true, nor the other ones that support it imo.
A dichotomy is presented in these, and the truth in "No Son of Man died for your sins" must also be included imo
He did, but then He didn't, at least not in the way we are taught. This v is still completely true today iow

 

[justbyfaith]

Ezekiel 18:20 Lexicon: "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

and wadr i am not the one saying that this v is not true, nor the other ones that support it imo.
A dichotomy is presented in these, and the truth in "No Son of Man died for your sins" must also be included imo
He did, but then He didn't, at least not in the way we are taught. This v is still completely true today iow

You are taking that verse out of the context of the whole of scripture, which plainly teaches that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 3:16).

 

[bbyrd009]

You in your small corner (with your small God) and I in mine :)

hey, make mine as small as you like, make Him Unknown even, fine with me, but see that i am the one saying everyone's sins have been forgiven here, yet i am getting accused of having a small god. So then tell me about your big God, Who is Love, not forgiving...some one of His children, who is that guy, that God is not forgiving.

does God judge us now?

 

[Dave L]

Ezekiel 18:20 Lexicon: "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

and wadr i am not the one saying that this v is not true, nor the other ones that support it imo.
A dichotomy is presented in these, and the truth in "No Son of Man died for your sins" must also be included imo
He did, but then He didn't, at least not in the way we are taught. This v is still completely true today iow

This passage refers to Israeli civil law under the Old Covenant. Not to God's dealing with people.

“Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.” (Exodus 34:7)

 

[bbyrd009]

You are taking that verse out of the context of the whole of scripture, which plainly teaches that Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 3:16).

plainly teaches blind ppl that Jesus died for their sins, yes, but i am suggesting a different way to read that will lead one to Christ, rather than Nehushtan wadr, bc imo your path will lead to pantheon, literal worship one day a week, and you might then go on to debate which day, etc, as you pray to Jesus and deem Him God the Father, and next thing you know, see, you are Quoting Paul as having said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" and singing "when we all get to heaven" with Dave, iow you are going to reap what you sow, and be completely forgiven for doing that too ok, don't get me wrong, but i can even show you the evidence of Hiding Behind a Tree here in this forum, and i'm pretty sure i can find some The Sky is Falling from them same ppl

 

[bbyrd009]

This passage refers to Israeli civil law under the Old Covenant. Not to God's dealing with people.

1The word of the Lord came to me:

but bam go with that if you like. There is certainly support for that in the body of the chapter, ostensibly, ok, meaning imo after the plain statement in the opening there we got some maybe red herring references that you can use to interp your pov, especially if you come to the passage with premises, yes

 

[Dave L]

1The word of the Lord came to me:

but bam go with that if you like. There is certainly support for that in the body of the chapter, ostensibly, ok, meaning imo after the plain statement in the opening there we got some maybe red herring references that you can use to interp your pov, especially if you come to the passage with premises, yes

You are flying over my head again with your jargon............but, Israeli civil law prevented people punishing others for another person's sins. But you'll notice the generational curse God places on those who hate him. So only God can mete out this sort of punishment.

 

[bbyrd009]

So only God can mete out this sort of punishment.

you posit God as our judge now, see, when i suggest that that is not the case at all, even if it is easy to get that impression from Reading...quickly. Imo the "punishment" comes from "you reap what you sow," when you follow your father's sin rather than turning from it; is what i am reading in the passage, i'm pretty sure i could even dig up the v, it will say something along the lines of "when you ____" or "but if you _______" i bet. So imo statements like "but if you do _______, God will _________" are being taken too literally, or not literally enough, whatever. When you do that, that is what causes what is being attributed to God iow.

God did not have to specifically harden Pharaoh's heart in a conscious action of retribution like we might read iow