Predestinated to Salvation !

[JLB]

I have a problem as well, getting my head around..that God willed Adam/ Eve to sin.

You and I know that isn’t true.

I was and is, God’s will from mankind to be free from sin.


The lengths people go to, to justify their manmade doctrine is frightening!

 

[JLB]

Not at all, God didn’t force them to Sin...

Amen.

 

[Hey You!]

Amen.

Touch and taste ~ by ReverendRV * November 22

Genesis 3:3 KJV; But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Did God really say that if Eve would touch that fruit, she would die? We read earlier in Genesis that God told Adam that if he ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil he would die; Eve added the part about the touch. Oh how the Serpent jumped on this mistake; he told her she surely would not die. Imagine her delight upon finding out that when she touched the fruit she didn’t die! The Serpent went on to tell her God knows when she eats the fruit she will be like God. No wonder she and Adam would eat the fruit after she didn’t die from the touch. But when they took a bite, their eyes were instantly opened and they saw their Nakedness; which was symbolic of their Spiritual death. ~ Sometimes we make it too easy for the Devil, don’t we? Not understanding the Truth well enough can be like not understanding it at all. But what if Eve understood the Truth better than we thought she did? Maybe she was a better helpmate to Adam than we think she was…

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the Tree of Life are symbolic of God’s Covenant of Works and his Covenant of Grace. Elsewhere in the Bible we find another analogy picturing two other women; Hagar and Sarah. Hagar symbolized Mount Sanai and Sarah symbolized spiritual Jerusalem. Mount Sanai represents the Covenant of Works, just like the Tree of Knowledge also represents it. The Ten Commandments epitomize the Covenant of Works; the Bible also calls them ‘killing letters’. ~ In the book of Exodus we are told that Mount Sanai was burning and quaking! God said that if the people approached the mountain to touch it, they would die. Have you approached this fierce mountain? Stones with writing on them have been cast to the ground; one says thou shalt not take the LORD’s name in vain. Have you ever used God’s name as a cuss word? Yes? You have touched the mountain! Your eyes are opened and you are naked before God! You look back at that cruel rock and see more writing; it says thou shalt not Murder. The Bible says that even if we break just one Commandment, we are guilty of broken them all. That boulder is covered with the Ten Commandments of God. You have spiritually died and will go to Hell as eternal punishment. Does this bother you even a little?

But there is a Tree of Life and there is a Spiritual Jerusalem; Mount Calvary. The second woman Sarah had a husband named Abraham. He obeyed the word of God and took his Promised son to Mount Calvary to be a burnt offering. God stopped Abraham from slaying his son that day and provided a substitute for the offering. Around 2000 years after this, Jesus Christ died on a Cross as a bloody sacrifice for Sin. Since he led a faultless Life, only Jesus was qualified to purge Sin from out of existence. He died and was buried three days but arose to life again; walking among witnesses for fifty days. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus, apart from Meritorious Works which we might be tempted to touch and taste. Repent of your Sins, find a Bible believing Church that will help you understand Truth better. ~ Was Eve the first Prophet of God? Did Eve really get the word of God right when she said that touching the Law would lead to certain death? She was wrong about her touching it because she was a pure Being, but she was right about our touching it as Fallen creatures…

Psalm 34:9 NIV; Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

 

[amigo de christo]

Touch and taste ~ by ReverendRV * November 22

Genesis 3:3 KJV; But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Did God really say that if Eve would touch that fruit, she would die? We read earlier in Genesis that God told Adam that if he ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil he would die; Eve added the part about the touch. Oh how the Serpent jumped on this mistake; he told her she surely would not die. Imagine her delight upon finding out that when she touched the fruit she didn’t die! The Serpent went on to tell her God knows when she eats the fruit she will be like God. No wonder she and Adam would eat the fruit after she didn’t die from the touch. But when they took a bite, their eyes were instantly opened and they saw their Nakedness; which was symbolic of their Spiritual death. ~ Sometimes we make it too easy for the Devil, don’t we? Not understanding the Truth well enough can be like not understanding it at all. But what if Eve understood the Truth better than we thought she did? Maybe she was a better helpmate to Adam than we think she was…

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and the Tree of Life are symbolic of God’s Covenant of Works and his Covenant of Grace. Elsewhere in the Bible we find another analogy picturing two other women; Hagar and Sarah. Hagar symbolized Mount Sanai and Sarah symbolized spiritual Jerusalem. Mount Sanai represents the Covenant of Works, just like the Tree of Knowledge also represents it. The Ten Commandments epitomize the Covenant of Works; the Bible also calls them ‘killing letters’. ~ In the book of Exodus we are told that Mount Sanai was burning and quaking! God said that if the people approached the mountain to touch it, they would die. Have you approached this fierce mountain? Stones with writing on them have been cast to the ground; one says thou shalt not take the LORD’s name in vain. Have you ever used God’s name as a cuss word? Yes? You have touched the mountain! Your eyes are opened and you are naked before God! You look back at that cruel rock and see more writing; it says thou shalt not Murder. The Bible says that even if we break just one Commandment, we are guilty of broken them all. That boulder is covered with the Ten Commandments of God. You have spiritually died and will go to Hell as eternal punishment. Does this bother you even a little?

But there is a Tree of Life and there is a Spiritual Jerusalem; Mount Calvary. The second woman Sarah had a husband named Abraham. He obeyed the word of God and took his Promised son to Mount Calvary to be a burnt offering. God stopped Abraham from slaying his son that day and provided a substitute for the offering. Around 2000 years after this, Jesus Christ died on a Cross as a bloody sacrifice for Sin. Since he led a faultless Life, only Jesus was qualified to purge Sin from out of existence. He died and was buried three days but arose to life again; walking among witnesses for fifty days. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in Jesus, apart from Meritorious Works which we might be tempted to touch and taste. Repent of your Sins, find a Bible believing Church that will help you understand Truth better. ~ Was Eve the first Prophet of God? Did Eve really get the word of God right when she said that touching the Law would lead to certain death? She was wrong about her touching it because she was a pure Being, but she was right about our touching it as Fallen creatures…

Psalm 34:9 NIV; Taste and see that the LORD is good; blessed is the one who takes refuge in him.

Eve didnt ADD anything into it my friend . When she said touch
its an expression of DONT partake of it . Its like telling a three year old
Dont you even touch that bottle of poison . Its the same thing , an implied meaning to NOT partake of that fruit . Dont even touch it

 

[amigo de christo]

Just to clarify for the Lurkers, God could have sent a Heavenly spirit to the false prophets; just as easily as in 1 Samuel 15:3, God sent Joshua to kill babies. Joshua wasn't culpable for that Act, no more than a Heavenly spirit would be culpable for obeying God. Hopefully you Lurkers will notice I'm being Reasonable...

Lurkers, if you are intimidated by Posters who will berate your beliefs; don't worry. You see I'm not Upset by it. If you believe the Bible and recognize I told you the truth that through his Providence, God sent a Lying spirit to coerce false prophets; that God presided over the Commencement of their Sin: Pray about standing up for the Truth...

And HE shall send them strong delusion to beleive a lie
that they may be damned . Unto all who rejected the love of the truth whereby they could have been saved .
YES .
Because THEY rejected
For this cause GOD shall send ...........
YES He allows one to reap what they sow . GOD will not be mocked .
THOUGH HIS desire was life , and how often HE would have gathered
ONLY many would not ..........
God even has the ten kings to agree and to surrender their heart unto the beast .
A man reaps what he sows too .
He who sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruptoin
But he who sows to the SPIRIT shall of the SPIRIT reap life everlasting .
The fault lies on MAN and not on GOD . FOR though HE called they did not answer .
Now as far as being saved and having eternal life , THERE IS ONLY ONE we can THANK for THAT .
HE who sent the SON . TIME for all to HONOR the SON and beware of men for we have many decievers that do abound
in these last hours . He who honors THE SON , HONORS the FATHER . So always remember
any love that denies the dire need to HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , IS of the world and of darkness
now matter how darn loving and kind its broad path might have sounded , IT was but death twice told .

 

[amigo de christo]

NO!...he won’t force his will onto anyone..

Indeed dear sister . God dont force man to sin . In fact james says it best .
Remember what he wrote concerning lust , concerning temptation .
Let no man say WHEN HE is TEMPTED , HE is tempted by GOD
for GOD cannot ............................
When any man is tempted its by HIS OWN lusts and when lust has conceived it bringeth forth sin
and sin ...........DEATH .

 

[amigo de christo]

I have a problem as well, getting my head around..that God willed Adam/ Eve to sin.

He gave them a choice....they chose not to listen to God and was tricked by the serpent into believing what he said was true.

Yet...I believe God allowed it as we see in scripture...then we see the consequences of being disobedient to God.....just my thoughts.

For GOD cannot be tempted by evil nor Tempth he any man .
Man is tempted by his own lust . Not by GOD .
GOD tests us through trials to strengthen our faith .
That is WHY you have no desire to heed what the other one wrote as though GOD forces man to sin .
Cause it aint true sister , as you know and as the scrips can prove this .
James speaks quite clearly about this . AND says LET NO MAN SAY
so i suggest these folks quit trying TO SAY HE forced adam and eve to SIN .
NO they were tempted by the serpent who always does so through the flesh .
And eve SAW that the tree was ....................
As we both KNOW GOD had warned NOT TO EAT of it
SO these people really need to quit making it seem like He said one thing
BUT MADE THEM DO ANOTHER . that makes ZERO sense .
Now lift those hands and praise the KING of GLORY
WHO is this KING of glory , TIS THE GLORIOUS LORD . Time we keep being refreshed in the scripture
and in prayers and be learning and a growing by His grace .

 

[Marvelloustime]

And HE shall send them strong delusion to beleive a lie
that they may be damned . Unto all who rejected the love of the truth whereby they could have been saved .
YES .
Because THEY rejected
For this cause GOD shall send ...........
YES He allows one to reap what they sow . GOD will not be mocked .
THOUGH HIS desire was life , and how often HE would have gathered
ONLY many would not ..........
God even has the ten kings to agree and to surrender their heart unto the beast .
A man reaps what he sows too .
He who sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruptoin
But he who sows to the SPIRIT shall of the SPIRIT reap life everlasting .
The fault lies on MAN and not on GOD . FOR though HE called they did not answer .
Now as far as being saved and having eternal life , THERE IS ONLY ONE we can THANK for THAT .
HE who sent the SON . TIME for all to HONOR the SON and beware of men for we have many decievers that do abound
in these last hours . He who honors THE SON , HONORS the FATHER . So always remember
any love that denies the dire need to HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , IS of the world and of darkness
now matter how darn loving and kind its broad path might have sounded , IT was but death twice told .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

For GOD cannot be tempted by evil nor Tempth he any man .
Man is tempted by his own lust . Not by GOD .
GOD tests us through trials to strengthen our faith .
That is WHY you have no desire to heed what the other one wrote as though GOD forces man to sin .
Cause it aint true sister , as you know and as the scrips can prove this .
James speaks quite clearly about this . AND says LET NO MAN SAY
so i suggest these folks quit trying TO SAY HE forced adam and eve to SIN .
NO they were tempted by the serpent who always does so through the flesh .
And eve SAW that the tree was ....................
As we both KNOW GOD had warned NOT TO EAT of it
SO these people really need to quit making it seem like He said one thing
BUT MADE THEM DO ANOTHER . that makes ZERO sense .
Now lift those hands and praise the KING of GLORY
WHO is this KING of glory , TIS THE GLORIOUS LORD . Time we keep being refreshed in the scripture
and in prayers and be learning and a growing by His grace .

@amigo de christo

 

[brightfame52]

Not at all, God didn’t force them to Sin...

Yet the sin nature that God put in them did

 

[Rightglory]

Yet the sin nature that God put in them did

Where do you find this in scripture. Isn't any wonder your theology is so incongruous with scripture. If this were actually true, then Christ could not be Incarnate either. He would have taken on what you call a sin nature. You make Him a sinner, yet scripture says He was without sin. Now you have two concepts that deny who Christ is, a man with a sin nature, and limited atonement.

God created man good. He created man in His Image, which entails a free will, or being a free agent. It is through this free will that Adam sinned and brought death to the world. It is this mortal nature that causes us to sin so easily- this is stated in I Cor 15:56.

 

[Behold]

Yet the sin nature that God put in them did

Post a verse that says that "God put sin in Adam and Eve". @brightfame52

Its amazing that Calvin's heretics blame God for Adam's sin, when in fact, Eve was Tempted, and Adam decided to take that fruit.

A.) Free Will Choice to obey the temptation, and choose the fruit.

Calvinism, and the evolution of it.......Hyper Calvinism (Tulip)... is really very stupid, when you think about it........Its incredibly stupid theology that even an unbeliever would realize is stupid.

 

[Ritajanice]

My opinion.

We inherited a sinful nature from the first Adam...

The second Adam came so that we can be set free from the power of sin...I never even knew that I was a sinner, not until God birthed my spirit into His, by supernatural divine heart revelation...only after the rebirth did I know that I had been a sinner.

Then the Spirit set me free from sin, the moment my spirit was birthed....

I haven’t read anywhere that God caused Adam and Eve to sin.....yet, he knew they would....I haven’t a clue why he would have done that in the first place.

I know his ways and thoughts are much higher than ours though....

All everyone does here, is post what they believe or their opinions...no truth in what man/ woman says...

 

[amigo de christo]

Yet the sin nature that God put in them did

From the angels to man all have been given the ability to choose .
Did you know the act of putting one self before all others is not sin . WELL NOT IF ITS GOD WHO DOES SO
but for man and all created IT IS SIN .
you pray about that for a while .
A concept that many have wrestled over and something both sides seem to rather focus on
INSTEAD of preaching the ONLY NAME THAT CAN save .
IN other words , I LEAVE THINGS that are complex and hard to be understood in the hand of THE LORD .
RATHER I preach the only name I KNOW if one beleives IN can save them .
GOD DID what HE DID and HE DO as HE DOES . AND HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO SO .
THAT SAME GOD never desired the death of any .
Something calvin seemed to never know .
SEEING GOD desires life for all
SEEING by grace i now desire life for all
GUESS WHAT NAME I AM GONNA PREACH , WITH THE DIRE REMINDER TO BELIEVE ON HIM .
And with the reminder if ya jesus contradicts THE JESUS , HIS WORDS , THE TRUTH
THEN IT JUST AINT JESUS ya following . WE mere mortals only know in part
THOUGH calivin , the popes and scores of others seem to act as THOUGH THEY KNOW
There is always contradictions in their doctrines . and this generation is about the worst of them all .
WANNA KEEP IT SIMPLE . THEN i suggest we bible up
learn THAT DOCTRINE , WITHOUT ANY influence of men , for ourselves
and LET GOD DO AS HE PLEASES . Just speak truth .

 

[brightfame52]

Where do you find this in scripture. Isn't any wonder your theology is so incongruous with scripture. If this were actually true, then Christ could not be Incarnate either. He would have taken on what you call a sin nature. You make Him a sinner, yet scripture says He was without sin. Now you have two concepts that deny who Christ is, a man with a sin nature, and limited atonement.

God created man good. He created man in His Image, which entails a free will, or being a free agent. It is through this free will that Adam sinned and brought death to the world. It is this mortal nature that causes us to sin so easily- this is stated in I Cor 15:56.

You sound foolish, God gives men a sin nature when He forms them in the womb, Duh and Christ didnt have one.

 

[brightfame52]

@Behold

Post a verse that says that "God put sin in Adam and Eve"

Post the quote of mine that specifically stated that, or repent for misrepresentation

 

[Rightglory]

You sound foolish, God gives men a sin nature when He forms them in the womb, Duh and Christ didnt have one.

We don't have a sin nature either. We have a mortal nature. Christ had this same nature, a mortal nature, a nature that could die just like us. That nature came from Mary who also had a mortal nature.
Not only wrong, but contradictory as well.
You're the one sounding foolish on all points.

 

[Behold]

We don't have a sin nature either.

This is you, according to Jesus, until you are born again.......spiritiually, and that is not by water baptism.
= Here is what Jesus says of all who are not born again......

"you are of YOUR Father... the DEVIL... and the lusts (sins) of your father you shall do".

A.) When we are born again.......we change spiritual fathers, and now we have "Our Heavenly Father" and that is why we go to HIM, when we die.

If we are never born again, then we remain "you are of YOUR Father"... and that is why the unbelievers go to the place created for the Devil, when they die.

"Hell was created for the Devil and His angles", and after the fall of Adam, humanity became the spiritual children of the Devil.. and being born again or not, is how you escape this, eternally, or not.

 

[Ritajanice]

Of course we have a sin nature...imo.

It’s unable to communicate with the Spirit Of God.....that is until he forgives us our sin, then births us in the Spirit...our spirit is reborn/ Born Again...only then can we communicate with our Father God from within our spirit.

A Born Again belongs to God, we are his spirit children....bought for a price...Jesus paid the price for our sin...without Jesus death and resurrection...our spirit could never be reconciled back to God.

 

[Behold]

@Behold



Post the quote of mine that specifically stated that, or repent for misrepresentation

Even RitaJanice has quoted your crazy statement.. "that God put the sin nature in them".

So, you'll be the one repenting of that lie, and similar that Hyper Calvinism speaks out of your deceiving mouth, on quite a few forums, ive noted.