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Dan Clarkston
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Yep, calvin and luther too) was heavily influenced by Augustine who brought pagan teachings into the "church" which was one of the ways satan was able to muddy the waters so to speak and deceive so many with false doctrine
This is why there is so much false doctrine in churches today as calvinism, luthernism, and the catholic cult influences virtually all the churches and preachers today.
And He does so thru... seedtime and harvest which is what His entire Kingdom is built upon... it's the "operating system" of the Kingdom of God. In Jesus classic teaching on sowing and reaping in Mark 4, He says if we don't understand this teaching how can we understand all teachings of God's Word which is reinforced by Gal 6:7,8
God gave mankind freewill so when man sows to the flesh (disobeys God's will) it produces death which is separation from God (to be carnally minded is death - Romans 8:5-7)
Jacob's brothers were disobedient to the Lord and were doing evil... the Lord was the One Who saw that evil situation and inserted Himself in to it causing good to come from it and in doing so messed up the things the devil was trying to do.
Seedtime and harvest is very ingenious of the Lord... if one sows a seed that is not the Lord's will... it produces corruption
The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will... so we all have the choice to sow to the Spirit (be led by the Lord, walking in agreement with Him), or to sow to the flesh (be led by the devil, walking in agreement with devils and demons) which leads to permanent separation from the Lord which is eternity in hell.
That's just the introduction one gets to the Lord when they first get born again... if they fall way later to live after the flesh they will not be spending eternity with the Lord unless they repent of their sins and come back to living for the Lord.
What makes us children of God is IF we answer the Father's call to abide in Christ having turned away from our old life of sin and walk with Him in newness of life
Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:
2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
This is what baptism is supposed to be about... making a covenant with the Lord, a public declaration of faith, a commitment to put off the old man and put on the new man and to walk in newness of life
Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
We are called to cooperate with the Lord, to be co-laborers with Him. He made us in His Image, so we have free will... the Lord desires for us to willingly choose to turn away from our old life of sin and come abide In Christ and not turn away, ever!
1 Corinthians 3:9
We are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
It's God's work, His power, His ability... but WE have to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him in the Light.
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Getting born again is the introduction and the starting point and if one truly believes and dies moments after getting born again, yes they would go to Heaven.
But few die immediately after getting born again so it remains to be seen... will WE to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him abiding In Him until the end of our lives so that we might be saved???
Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Endure to the end as in... DON'T fall away!
Hey You!
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This can be settled with the definition of God’s Providence in my Gospel Tract; it resides over the Commencement of every Act. Do you agree?
Dan Clarkston
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Dan Clarkston
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I go by what God's Word teaches instead of "tracts" written by men which do not rise to the level of God's inspired Word.
All through out the Word of God we see situations going on that were NOT God's will starting with Adam and Eve deciding to commit high treason against God by rejecting the Lord in favor of being in agreement with satan.
God always foresees the idiot decisions man makes and has a work around in place... but this does not mean when man sins God wanted that to happen or that God caused that to happen as the calvinist teach who are false brethren having been blinded by satan to follow doctrines of demons.
Hey You!
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Let's use God's Word then. God asked, "Who will go be a Lying spirit?". When God sent the spirit, isn't this God Providentially presiding over the Commencement of False prophets?
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Dan Clarkston
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No, that's God allowing those people to reap what they sow... He is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap (Gal 6:7,8)
They rejected the Lord wanting evil... so the Lord let them have evil
He's still do this today... anyone that desires to reject the Lord and walk in darkness, the Lord will turn them over to a reprobate mind.
In other words, those folks were walking in satan's territory so to speak so the Lord turn them over to the devil since that's what they took pleasure in.
No, I accept Bible Truth. Your issue is you do not understand the Truth. Not only does scripture teach the opposite of your personal theology, but many have pointed that out to you.
Hey You!
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Well, thank you for letting me speak to others through you. They will read it, and if they think about it, they will see that God sent a Lying spirit to coerce false prophets...
Since Calvinism is a Doctrine of Demons, did God send a Lying spirit to Calvin and Hey You? If you say Yes, I am right about God residing over the Commencement of Sins. If you say No, Calvinism is not a Doctrine of Demons...
Thanks for your time...
Dan Clarkston
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You outed yourself homie.... you think satan works for the Lord and that God can actually lie even though His Word says it's impossible for Him to lie.... the lying spirits caused those false prophets to LIE and you think God was in on the LYING
John Calvin did not follow God's Word... which is why he was demon possessed which is what happens when one embraces the pagan teachings of that heretic Augustine (or any other heretic) which is where he learned to twist God's and ignore or explain away all scripture that did not agree with his fake "gospel"
John Calvin though it was OK to MURDER people who disagreed with him and we know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him - 1 John 3:15
So, feel free to take your spiritual advice and leadership from a murderer
Hey You!
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Just to clarify for the Lurkers, God could have sent a Heavenly spirit to the false prophets; just as easily as in 1 Samuel 15:3, God sent Joshua to kill babies. Joshua wasn't culpable for that Act, no more than a Heavenly spirit would be culpable for obeying God. Hopefully you Lurkers will notice I'm being Reasonable...
Lurkers, if you are intimidated by Posters who will berate your beliefs; don't worry. You see I'm not Upset by it. If you believe the Bible and recognize I told you the truth that through his Providence, God sent a Lying spirit to coerce false prophets; that God presided over the Commencement of their Sin: Pray about standing up for the Truth...
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Hey You!
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Lurkers ~ by ReverendRV * July 4
Matthew 26:58 NASB; But Peter was following Him at a distance as far as the courtyard of the high priest, and entered in, and sat down with the officers to see the outcome.
Often I get ideas for a Gospel Tract from participating within Internet chatrooms, and this is an example of one. ~ A Lurker is defined as a person who follows an Internet Message Board but doesn’t Post. I have learned a long time ago that when I respond to the regular Members, I am really talking to the Lurkers. One reason is because a Chatroom Member told me that he used to be a Lurker and decided which side of the Theological debate he wanted to support because of my Posts. He said this out of encouragement because I was wanting to quit due to a seeming lack of progress; no one ever changed their Minds! One day I finally got a Member to change their Mind; but only for a little while. ~ A Lurker won’t participate because they don’t know what to say, but are trying to learn; these kind of people are most receptive. In this sense, Lurkers are thought of as positive. Ask questions and you will receive, seek and you will find…
Lurking has a history of negative connotations; and you would be surprised just how much of a Lurker you are. ~ Have you ever told a Lie? What do you call people who tell Lies? Have you ever hung around somewhere for something and Lied about why you were there? Have you ever stolen anything? What do you call people that steal? Have you waited for the right moment to take something? Wouldn’t this make you a Lurking, Lying Thief at heart?? How about this one; have you hung around a friend’s house because you really were after their Spouse? These are three of the Ten Commandments, do we need more? If God judged you by his standard, would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Doesn’t this bother you?? Hell is eternal nightfall full of all kinds of evil, Lurking in the dark…
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life. Jesus Christ is this Son and in him is life, and this life is the light of all mankind. His light shines in the darkness, which gives light to everyone. Because of his Righteousness, when we receive him by believing on his Name, he gives us power to become children of God; not by our heritage, or by our father’s Will or our Will, but by the Will of God. Jesus paid for our Sin by shedding his blood and dying on the Cross; and by rising from the dead. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, without trying to merit his Righteousness by working for it. Repent of your Sins, confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God and seek out a Church that teaches the Bible. ~ Jesus was taken and tried for crimes he didn’t commit. His Disciples fled; but Peter Lurked in the background. He wanted to know the truth about Jesus but didn’t want the other Lurkers to know the truth about him; he didn’t want to be identified as a follower. Come out of the Dark and into the Light of the world…
John 8:12 NIV; When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
Adam didn’t die for the sins of Eve.
God did not will for Adam and Eve to sin. That’s false.
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Dan Clarkston
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No He could not... they rejected the Lord so the Lord allowed them to reap what they had sown.
Those that reject the Lord get stuck with the devil which is what happened to calvinists
Galatians 6:7,8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
False teachers claim God caused people to sin... because they are speaking for satan.
Adam choose Eve over the Lord and committed high treason against the Lord by putting Eve before the Lord and by believing satan's word over the Word of the Lord.
Calvinists are also believing satan's word over the Word of the Lord and will sadly get the devil's reward if they don't REPENT of the doctrines of devils that they espouse
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I have a problem as well, getting my head around..that God willed Adam/ Eve to sin.
He gave them a choice....they chose not to listen to God and was tricked by the serpent into believing what he said was true.
Yet...I believe God allowed it as we see in scripture...then we see the consequences of being disobedient to God.....just my thoughts.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
NO!...he won’t force his will onto anyone..
Hey You!
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