Pre-Trib Dispensationalism IS False

[The Light]

QUOTE
"what is 100% accurate based on the Word of God and then figure out your other error."

POT <> KETTLE BIG TIME

THE ONLY PLACE JESUS RETURNS IN POWER AND A WARRIOR IS REV 19.
YOU HAVE REV 19 AND THE AC DESTROYED PREWRATH

WAY, WAY OFF
ALL because you can not discern Matt24 is indeed Rev 19 the coming on white horses.

Please explain why you think I have the antichrist destroyed prewrath?

 

[The Light]

You just placed the LOF at the 6th seal.

Huh?????

How do you conclude this false conclusion?

 

[The Light]

Nope
You are claiming the white horses at the 6th seal.
Way off

HOW ARE YOU COMING UP WITH THIS?

What is leading you to this false conclusion?

 

[The Light]

You just placed the LOF at the 6th seal.

Huh?????

I have not placed the LOF at the 6th seal. The lake of fire occurs at the end of wrath.

How are you coming up with all these false conclusions?

 

[rebuilder 454]

I have not placed the LOF at the 6th seal. The lake of fire occurs at the end of wrath.

How are you coming up with all these false conclusions?

It all stems from your displacement of Matt 24.
Read it
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It that Rev 14??? Nope
Is that acts 1??? Nope
Is that 1 thes 4???? Nope
Is that the groom coming in mat 25??? Nope.

ONLY ONE FITS...REV 19.

SO YOU have Rev 19 before the wrath.
You have the lof before the wrath.

All because you misplaced mat 24.
All because you think "after the trib" can not possibly be "after the 7 yr trib or post wrath"

You change many things in the Bible over a definition.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Please explain why you think I have the antichrist destroyed prewrath?

Only in your mind does the "Jesus comes in power and great glory " fit Rev 14.

Sitting ?
Holding a sickle.?

 

[rebuilder 454]

I have not placed the LOF at the 6th seal. The lake of fire occurs at the end of wrath.

How are you coming up with all these false conclusions?

It is your doctrine saying matt24 is not Rev 19 when ONLY Rev 19 fits.

 

[The Light]

We agree the 2 raptures.
The white horses before the wrath thingy is impossible.

I am not putting the Revelation 19 white horses' event before wrath.

I think you are drawing this conclusion because I am putting the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 at the 6th seal. AND YOU think that Matthew 24 is the white horses event. It is not. I am showing you that Matthew 24 is NOT the white horses event. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is a harvest which is why the angels are sent to gather the elect.

 

[The Light]

Only in your mind does the "Jesus comes in power and great glory " fit Rev 14.

Sitting ?
Holding a sickle.?

You don't think when Jesus shows up, He will be in power and glory. In Matthew 24 He sends His angels to gather the elect.........a harvest. Explain to me hOw that is the white horses event. Explain how that is Armageddon?

The Word shows the signs of the sun, moon and stars happening at the 6th seal...............harvest before wrath.

 

[The Light]

It is your doctrine saying matt24 is not Rev 19 when ONLY Rev 19 fits.

What? The Word says Matt24 is not Rev 19. The Word says Matt24 occurs at the 6th seal. We know this by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Quit believing what has been incorrectly passed around and read what it says.

 

[Keraz]

Nope, that's when the Lord returns with His Saints and we all have glorified bodies.

Another one who makes fanciful assertions, totally without scriptural proofs.
How can anyone receive 'glorified bodies', before the Judgment?

 

[Keraz]

The Word shows the signs of the sun, moon and stars happening at the 6th seal...............harvest before wrath.

The celestial things in the Sixth Seal are different to what will happen when Jesus Returns.
There will be no rapture before the Lords Day of fiery wrath. Luke 21:34-35,,,that day will come upon everyone, the whole world over.

 

[The Light]

It all stems from your displacement of Matt 24.
Read it
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It that Rev 14??? Nope

Yes, it is Revelation 14. It is a harvest. He comes for the elect....second rapture.

Is that acts 1??? Nope

Correct, it's not Acts 1. Acts 1 is the Second Advent.

Is that 1 thes 4???? Nope

Correct. 1 Thes 4 is the first harvest. The pretrib rapture of the Church.

Is that the groom coming in mat 25??? Nope.

Correct.

ONLY ONE FITS...REV 19.

Do you see any white horses in Matthew 24? Do you see Armageddon in Matthew 24? No and no.

The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is not the coming of Jesus on white horses in Revelation 19. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal as we can be 100% sure because of the signs of the sun, moon and stars. It is a harvest as He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper.

SO YOU have Rev 19 before the wrath.
You have the lof before the wrath.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I tell you that Matthew 24 IS NOT the Revelation 19 white horses event. I tell you Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal.

For some reason..........even though I have shown you that Mattew 24 is not Revelation 19, YOU want to move Revelation 19 to the 6th seal. That's not what I am saying, that's what you are saying.

All because you misplaced mat 24.

No all because you want to move Revelation 19 to the 6th seal even though I am telling you Matt24 is not Rev 19.

All because you think "after the trib" can not possibly be "after the 7 yr trib or post wrath"

All because the Word says that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. FACT.

All because the Word says the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is a harvest where the angels are sent to gather the elect and it is NOT Armageddon.......white horses...........Revelation 19

You change many things in the Bible over a definition.

I change NOTHING in the Bible. I put things where the Bible says they go.

If you can't see the signs of the sun, moon and stars in Matthew 24 and the same event at the 6th seal nothing I can do. It's there plain as day. The amazing thing is..........you do understand that there are two raptures. Most people don't. Matthew 24 is the second rapture.

 

[The Light]

The celestial things in the Sixth Seal are different to what will happen when Jesus Returns.

What's the difference?

There will be no rapture before the Lords Day of fiery wrath. Luke 21:34-35,,,that day will come upon everyone, the whole world over.

Yeah........the ones that are still here.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, it is Revelation 14. It is a harvest. He comes for the elect....second rapture.

No, Revelation 14:14-20 is not a harvest of saved souls. It is a harvest of the wicked men of the world and their armies that gather to make war on Jesus, into the winepress of the wrath of God. Revelation 14:19-20.

The sixth seal event is what sends terror into the hearts of the wicked, and their reaction will be to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus and His army.

The sixth seal event is the sign of the Son of man that will appear in heaven of Matthew 24:30a. The sign will be the appearance of Jesus in heaven, as seen from the world, sickle in hand, His intent clear - to take vengeance for all the martyred souls in the fifth seal that had been slain during the great tribulation, Revelation 6:9-11.

The gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31 is not a rapture event, but the gathering of the Jews from all the nations around the world to the land of Israel.

 

[Douggg]

No all because you want to move Revelation 19 to the 6th seal even though I am telling you Matt24 is not Rev 19.

Part of Matthew 24 is the 6th seal event. And part of Matthew 24 Is the Revelation 19 event.

The 6th seal event - Matthew 24:29-30a, the sign of the Son of man in heaven.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The Revelation 19 event - Matthew 24:30b, Jesus's coming with power and great glory.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Douggg]

What takes place between the sign of the Son of man in heaven and Jesus's return - is that the kings of the earth will assemble their armies at Armageddon for 45 days to prepare to make war on Jesus's and His army.

 

[The Light]

What takes place between the sign of the Son of man in heaven and Jesus's return - is that the kings of the earth will assemble their armies at Armageddon for 45 days to prepare to make war on Jesus's and His army.



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I have already told you this is IMPOSSIBLE.

Here is 5 months that proves what you are saying is incorrect.

Revelation 9
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

 

[The Light]

No, Revelation 14:14-20 is not a harvest of saved souls. It is a harvest of the wicked men of the world and their armies that gather to make war on Jesus, into the winepress of the wrath of God. Revelation 14:19-20.

Again your view is unscriptural. Here are the righteous being harvested.

Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

The sixth seal event is what sends terror into the hearts of the wicked, and their reaction will be to gather their armies at Armageddon to make war on Jesus and His army.

The 6th seal event is Jesus coming to harvest the righteous. The Church is already in heaven. The unrighteous are cast into the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, Day of Vengeance...........wrath of God.

The sixth seal event is the sign of the Son of man that will appear in heaven of Matthew 24:30a. The sign will be the appearance of Jesus in heaven, as seen from the world, sickle in hand, His intent clear - to take vengeance for all the martyred souls in the fifth seal that had been slain during the great tribulation, Revelation 6:9-11.

The gathering of the elect in Matthew 24:31 is not a rapture event, but the gathering of the Jews from all the nations around the world to the land of Israel.

Rapture................................

Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[The Light]

Part of Matthew 24 is the 6th seal event. And part of Matthew 24 Is the Revelation 19 event.

The 6th seal event - Matthew 24:29-30a, the sign of the Son of man in heaven.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The Revelation 19 event - Matthew 24:30b, Jesus's coming with power and great glory.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Put the sledge away and quit forcing things. It doesn't end with the sign and it is not Revelation 19