Persecution today?

[MatthewG]

Can I ask what is persecution?

Many people deem something you say to them they don’t like or agree with is persecution; and they get all offended and wrapped up tight…


Back in the early days people were murdered for being Christians… it seems very different today in light of saying that…

You don’t got military gathering everyone up to take a mark and then be killed or not killed off…

 

[MatthewG]

Where is the supposed end of the world!? It must not be in this time period.

 

[hishandmaiden]

Persecution means being treated badly by others for believing in Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

Persecution means being treated badly by others for believing in Jesus.

That sounds horrible. But if someone disagrees with someone that’s not persecution is it? Disagreeing with themselves believing in Jesus, doesn’t make them persecute you. Persecution would be worse… way worse than a disagreement?

 

[Windmill Charge]

That sounds horrible. But if someone disagrees with someone that’s not persecution is it? Disagreeing with themselves believing in Jesus, doesn’t make them persecute you. Persecution would be worse… way worse than a disagreement?

Depends how that disagreement is expressed or acted upon.

The North Korean government disagrees with what Christians, but that disagreement is shown but working them to death in concentration camps.
Someone arguing with one is not persecution. It's when that disagreement continues to be seen in petty acts, comments and actual action that it becomes persecution.

Sites like open doors barnabus fund, release international all have information on the persecution of Christians.

 

[MatthewG]

HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 1375 diōgmós (from 1377 /diṓkō, "follow, pursue") – properly, pursuit (chase); persecution – literally, "the hunt to bring someone down like an animal," trying to suppress (punish) their convictions. See 1377 (diōkō).

1375 /diōgmós ("religious persecution") literally refers to those seeking to punish God's messengers with a vengeance – like a hunter trying to conquer (obliterate) someone as their "catch."

[1375 (diōgmós) is used in ancient and biblical Greek for persecution (hostility) shown by confused, spiritual "leaders." For example, it applies to the Roman Emperor, Decius (ad 250-251). He killed thousands of Christians who refused to offer sacrifices in his name.]


For example, it applies to the Roman Emperor, Decius (ad 250-251). He killed thousands of Christians who refused to offer sacrifices in his name.]

I find this information somewhat insightful. The biggest persecution once in a lifetime was to come upon the generation which Jesus spoke to. While this Emperor, may have killed 1,000 Christians, in Rome the Emperor Nero had done the same, thing only to me he was like a person who was used like the devil, in the grand scheme of the ending of the age concerning Israel, nearing 70AD. Which was about 40 years after Yeshua, spoke about the generation which would suffer a terrible time but the time of the terrible would never been so great ever again, no bearable to us if that is the case.

Either way, it seems that for the most part, this persecution did lead to death.

 

[Bob Estey]

Can I ask what is persecution?

Many people deem something you say to them they don’t like or agree with is persecution; and they get all offended and wrapped up tight…


Back in the early days people were murdered for being Christians… it seems very different today in light of saying that…

You don’t got military gathering everyone up to take a mark and then be killed or not killed off…

Some people think it's hate speech to discuss God's commandments.

I would say Donald Trump is being persecuted - they are tying to imprison him on fake charges.

 

[MatthewG]

Some people think it's hate speech to discuss God's commandments.

I would say Donald Trump is being persecuted - they are tying to imprison him on fake charges.

Bob, I’ve heard news about I think Kentucky or somewhere was gonna go ahead and put the 10 commandments back in schools. Im not against the idea, I remember when we use to stand up and pledge to the flag, and in daycare we would say the Lord daily prayer over our food before we ate. It could be a good thing but it can’t be forced on anyone that’s where the contention comes from, and like…

A parent who doesn’t desire the family member to learn about God or those things ya know, that’s what it go took out in the first place.

But each state has their own rights to vote and decide what is best for their state, and I like ol President trump, even Biden. I just hope Yahvah places the next person who needs to be there and we can continue to work here in life, without any restrictions on our what’s that paper called?

Without our Constitutional rights being disrupted.

 

[MatthewG]

You know, in this place I worked at, a nursing home… every morning they would do a daily morning prayer for everyone who wanted to participate. @Bob Estey

 

[Bob Estey]

Bob, I’ve heard news about I think Kentucky or somewhere was gonna go ahead and put the 10 commandments back in schools. Im not against the idea, I remember when we use to stand up and pledge to the flag, and in daycare we would say the Lord daily prayer over our food before we ate. It could be a good thing but it can’t be forced on anyone that’s where the contention comes from, and like…

A parent who doesn’t desire the family member to learn about God or those things ya know, that’s what it go took out in the first place.

But each state has their own rights to vote and decide what is best for their state, and I like ol President trump, even Biden. I just hope Yahvah places the next person who needs to be there and we can continue to work here in life, without any restrictions on our what’s that paper called?

Without our Constitutional rights being disrupted.

The two great commandments are to love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls, and love our neighbor as ourselves (Matt 22:34-40). I don't supposed anyone is harmed by being exposed to these two facts.

 

[Jericho]

I would define persecution as the use of physical force against someone's belief system. I think what many Christians experience in the West is more discrimination than outright persecution. But discrimination usually leads to full-on persecution if left unchecked.

 

[Rockerduck]

Christian Churches during covid were forced to shut down while Walmart and Home Depot remained open. That's persecution. If the Church went into Walmart of have service it would be ok, but not in the church building. Police even went to Churches to make sure they didn't meet. Rarely did police go to other businesses to make sure they were closed. In Samaria, Churches meet under threat. One church was set on fire while people inside were worshiping on Sunday.

 

[MatthewG]

Christian Churches during covid were forced to shut down while Walmart and Home Depot remained open. That's persecution. If the Church went into Walmart of have service it would be ok, but not in the church building. Police even went to Churches to make sure they didn't meet. Rarely did police go to other businesses to make sure they were closed. In Samaria, Churches meet under threat. One church was set on fire while people inside were worshiping on Sunday.

Yeah, you remember that one guy who lived stream himself going through a Muslim Mosic and killed 17 people? I don’t think closing down during covid is persecution. You really think it was for real? I though they were just looking out for everyone so everyone didn’t die. Some people even went against the order and continued with church. Ah! The madness.

 

[Rockerduck]

Yeah, you remember that one guy who lived stream himself going through a Muslim Mosic and killed 17 people? I don’t think closing down during covid is persecution. You really think it was for real? I though they were just looking out for everyone so everyone didn’t die. Some people even went against the order and continued with church. Ah! The madness.

The media and Democrats do not like the evangelical voting bloc, that always support the Republican party. So, given the chance, they try to disrupt any gatherings. In the Republican states, no Churches shut down. In fact, covid shutdowns were voluntary.

 

[MatthewG]

The media and Democrats do not like the evangelical voting bloc, that always support the Republican party. So, given the chance, they try to disrupt any gatherings. In the Republican states, no Churches shut down. In fact, covid shutdowns were voluntary.

It's a great thing to know you don't have to go to church to be a follower of Yeshua. People who live in America are some of the luckiest people in the world in my perspective, Rocker.

 

[Jericho]

I don’t think closing down during covid is persecution. You really think it was for real? I though they were just looking out for everyone so everyone didn’t die. Some people even went against the order and continued with church. Ah! The madness.

That's if you believe Covid was really as bad as we were led to believe; I don't. I certainly don't agree with the way it was handled. Either way, we were essentially following Communist China's playbook on dealing with a pandemic. It's something that was never done before in the West on such a scale. Dr. Donald Henderson, who helped eradicate smallpox, disagreed with the lockdowns. He died before Covid ever came on the scene but was aware of the proposal to do so. In any case, as Rockerduck pointed out, the same government who locked people and churches down allowed stores and liquor shops to stay open and people to riot in the street. So, were they really trying to protect us by keeping us locked down? I don't think so. There was an agenda to it.

 

[MatthewG]

That's if you believe Covid was really as bad as we were led to believe; I don't. I certainly don't agree with the way it was handled. Either way, we were essentially following Communist China's playbook on dealing with a pandemic. It's something that was never done before in the West on such a scale. Dr. Donald Henderson, who helped eradicate smallpox, disagreed with the lockdowns. He died before Covid ever came on the scene but was aware of the proposal to do so. In any case, as Rockerduck pointed out, the same government who locked people and churches down allowed stores and liquor shops to stay open and people to riot in the street. So, were they really trying to protect us by keeping us locked down? I don't think so. There was an agenda to it.

Many people probably died because of being older and thinking the world was ending, Jericho, Idk I know people got sick really bad, and people are still testing positive for covid. But I could imagine a epidemic like this, caused a lot of heartattacks.

Similar to the "World at War with Aliens" casted on the radio in the 50's and people started believing it was true and killing themselves.

I just obey with what Governing authorities say, it's not like they said.

"Renounce your faith or die!" "Report everyone with a bible, bring all bibles here to be destroyed." That is a chasing down, a hunting down. Persecution.

 

[Rockerduck]

Many people probably died because of being older and thinking the world was ending, Jericho, Idk I know people got sick really bad, and people are still testing positive for covid. But I could imagine a epidemic like this, caused a lot of heartattacks.

Similar to the "World at War with Aliens" casted on the radio in the 50's and people started believing it was true and killing themselves.

I just obey with what Governing authorities say, it's not like they said.

"Renounce your faith or die!" "Report everyone with a bible, bring all bibles here to be destroyed."

The doctors studied Covid and found up north, there was a vitamin D deficiency. There others were elderly with co-morbid conditions (diabetic, lung congestion). Then the younger ones also co-morbid. The healthier ones were put on ventilator's which worsened Covid. All the doctors that cured patients were victimized. Because it was treatable with existing drugs like, Ivermectin and the drug the Trump pushed. Then the liberal doctors refused treatment from anything from the Trump administration, which killed more people.

 

[MatthewG]

The doctors studied Covid and found up north, there was a vitamin D deficiency. There others were elderly with co-morbid conditions (diabetic, lung congestion). Then the younger ones also co-morbid. The healthier ones were put on ventilator's which worsened Covid. All the doctors that cured patients were victimized. Because it was treatable with existing drugs like, Ivermectin and the drug the Trump pushed. Then the liberal doctors refused treatment from anything from the Trump administration, which killed more people.

I just obey what governing authorities say.
I can’t say one way or the other, I’ll face death one day myself. Releasing my last breathe.
Unless they tell me renounce your faith or die… I’ll continue to just do what they need me to.

 

[CC7799]

Can I ask what is persecution?

Many people deem something you say to them they don’t like or agree with is persecution; and they get all offended and wrapped up tight…


Back in the early days people were murdered for being Christians… it seems very different today in light of saying that…

You don’t got military gathering everyone up to take a mark and then be killed or not killed off…

I agree.

Some May not agree with me on my believe on persecution. Which is fine.

We know in Corinthians chapter 2, we're not ignorant of satans devices.

Gospel Peter, devil goes about as roaring lion seeking whom to devour.

Satan is after Body of Christ.

He hates the truth

Devil uses variety of means to attack body of Christ.

Persecution is one of them.

We know from 2 Corinthians chapter 2.
That you either have holy Spirit or Spirit of error.

A unclean Spirit can't make habitation in Christian who has holy Spirit.

Satan uses harrassment and annoyance on Body of Christ.

I have experienced Satanic attacks recently.

June 2024. On City bus. Iwas verbally attacked by man. I defended myself and told him we're to hang his hat.

Then he got up,and acted like he would physically attack me. He tried to bait me.
A woman further away yelled, He's not worth it.

They we're laughing about it.

I believe this has Satan finger prints on it.

Ive been harassed by some neighbors. Its obvious they have unclesn Spirit and it knows I have holy Spirit.

Those who have Holy Spirit are threat to Satan.

I use name of Jesus, and order Satan and evil spirits away from me.

No, I'm not obsessed with Satan or demonization.

Ephesians chapter 6
Christian people are in spiritual warfare against Powers of darkness.

Satan absolutely does not want spiritual growth and faith.

Persecution has much to do with Satan.

Subject in my believe is on the one who is behind persecution.

I remind my brothers -sisters, of Job.

Who persecuted job ???.

Peace.