People say you can not lose faith, God can't lose you, is that true?

[MatthewG]

The Apostle Paul, makes it "very clear" that the Responsibility to remain in God is our own.

Romans 11:
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

The key portion of Verse 22 sums it up pretty clear : provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.


So, if someone claims that OSAS is Biblical, it is, ONLY, IF, we REMAIN/ABIDE in Christ.

Hello GodisSpirit,

That right there, is a very good verse from the letter of Romans, it definitely makes it explicitly known that all people are responsible form themselves and their choice of whether or not they desire to do the will of God or not.

John 7:17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

It is all about the heart, and as Paul had talked previous about the struggle of the flesh and desire to do the work of God - it seems today, people who are willingly that is what is important to God, who is looked towards in faith.

 

[DJT_47]

@DJT_47,

How do you describe the repentance meaning?

Some say - repentance means you stop doing something.

The word itself means "change your mind", in the greek.

It also means sorrow. Jesus said forgive 70 × 7 times. We're not miraculously sinless after being saved, we're still flesh and blood humans

 

[MatthewG]

It also means sorrow. Jesus said forgive 70 × 7 times. We're not miraculously sinless after being saved, we're still flesh and blood humans

That reminds me if a verse that Paul wrote to the people at Corinthains in his second letter, would say that when you come to the Lord, and you realize all the things that he has said and stated which go beyond all natural human wisdom, what you suggest would be right, when you come up to the cross of Christ (by bring oneself through the Gospel or hearing someone talk about the gospel in the fullness).

2 Corinthians 7:10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
For [godly] sorrow that is in accord with the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation; but worldly sorrow [the hopeless sorrow of those who do not believe] produces death.

Do you remember where Jesus says for us to forgive 70 x 7? Does that mean we always forgive when we do wrong, or even when others do wrong?

 

[DJT_47]

@DJT_47,

How do you describe the repentance meaning?

Some say - repentance means you stop doing something.

The word itself means "change your mind", in the greek.

It also means sorrow. Jesus said forgive 70 × 7 times. We're not miraculously sinless after being saved, we're still flesh and blood humans

That reminds me if a verse that Paul wrote to the people at Corinthains in his second letter, would say that when you come to the Lord, and you realize all the things that he has said and stated which go beyond all natural human wisdom, what you suggest would be right, when you come up to the cross of Christ (by bring oneself through the Gospel or hearing someone talk about the gospel in the fullness).

2 Corinthians 7:10 Amplified Bible (AMP)
For [godly] sorrow that is in accord with the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation; but worldly sorrow [the hopeless sorrow of those who do not believe] produces death.

Do you remember where Jesus says for us to forgive 70 x 7? Does that mean we always forgive when we do wrong, or even when others do wrong?

Also see below

1 John 1:8

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Matthew 18:21-22 for your other question.

 

[MatthewG]

@DJT_47,

So does that mean when we sin, it's important to confess our sins to God?

What are sins that humans are able to confess to God?

Is there any direction also from the bible to see?

When we confess to God, do we change our mind about that action, and what if it happens again?

Thank you for your dialouge friend,
Matthew

 

[mailmandan]

It also means sorrow. Jesus said forgive 70 × 7 times. We're not miraculously sinless after being saved, we're still flesh and blood humans

When one truly repents sorrow is involved yet the Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) and basically means a "change of mind."

Strong's Greek: 3341. μετάνοια (metanoia) -- Repentance

biblehub.com

So, repentance basically means a "change of mind" and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind. Where salvation is in view, repentance actually precedes saving faith in Christ and is not a totally separate act from faith. It is actually the same coin with two sides. Repentance is on one side (what you change your mind about) and faith in Christ is on the positive side--the new direction of this change of mind. (Acts 20:21)

 

[MatthewG]

When one truly repents sorrow is involved yet the Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) and basically means a "change of mind."

Strong's Greek: 3341. μετάνοια (metanoia) -- Repentance

biblehub.com

So, repentance basically means a "change of mind" and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind. Where salvation is in view, repentance actually precedes saving faith in Christ and is not a totally separate act from faith. It is actually the same coin with two sides. Repentance is on one side (what you change your mind about) and faith in Christ is on the positive side--the new direction of this change of mind. (Acts 20:21)

Hello Mailmandan,

And good morning, thank you for sharing that information. Comes off a little strong, maybe use a name or something, idk why people dont do this more often I try to do it often as possible sometimes I skip out after a few dialogues from the initial.

Peoples name - or there tags normally identify with them.

All the best,
Matthew

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You certainly do have a remedy for sin after imitially ssved, it's called repentance!

You can repent until your blue in the face.

It takes the blood of Christ to wash your sin.

If Christ did not pay for that sin, then you have no means of forgiveness. Nothing for God to baptize you into to redeem those so called future sins (also remember, ALL of your sin was future when Christ died.)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It also means sorrow. Jesus said forgive 70 × 7 times. We're not miraculously sinless after being saved, we're still flesh and blood humans

which is why Jesus had to pay for ALL of your sin. And you 100% dependent on Grace to not only save you, but keep you saved

 

[MatthewG]

keep you saved

Hello ETernally Grateful,

You can not be saved to the kingdom of God if you decide to willingly give up and reject God and Christ, leaving faith.

Hebrews 11:6​

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6 But without faith it is impossible to [walk with God and] please Him, for whoever comes [near] to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He rewards those who [earnestly and diligently] seek Him.

That is what seems to be the hope of a born again Christian, who abides in Christ as the vine, that one day leaving this world they will be spiritually rewarded and they will be able to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, which is talked about in Revelation.

 

[DJT_47]

@DJT_47,

So does that mean when we sin, it's important to confess our sins to God?

What are sins that humans are able to confess to God?

Is there any direction also from the bible to see?

When we confess to God, do we change our mind about that action, and what if it happens again?

Thank you for your dialouge friend,
Matthew

James 5:16 KJV​

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Also, Simon the sorcerer became a Christian and afterwards sinned and was told to repent which he did. See Acts 8.

God knows the hearts of men, so he's aware of your sorrow for sin when you ask him for forgiveness.

And as a side note, the scriptures say that God repented such as Gen 6.6, Exodus 32:14 and others. What does that mean? The Lord was sorry and remorseful.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hello ETernally Grateful,

You can not be saved to the kingdom of God if you decide to willingly give up and reject God and Christ, leaving faith.

Hebrews 11:6​

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Amplified Bible​

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6 But without faith it is impossible to [walk with God and] please Him, for whoever comes [near] to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists and that He rewards those who [earnestly and diligently] seek Him.

That is what seems to be the hope of a born again Christian, who abides in Christ as the vine, that one day leaving this world they will be spiritually rewarded and they will be able to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, which is talked about in Revelation.

please explain to me why people. who have been forgiven all of their sin, who have been saved from eternal death. who have received the HS. who has been changed into a new creature. Who have had the whole in their heart, which was left open by the fall, filled with the greatest love mankind can fathom. Who is blessed with every spiritual blessing. who has a God who will never leave nor forsake them and will never fail them

would all of a sudden turn and say, nope I do not believe any of this..

I Agree with that passage..

Without faith it is impossible to please him. Because without faith, you will never believe God exists and do the one thing to be saved (receive him) and that he will reward us after we are saved for works we do and fruit we bear.

It is people who do not really believe he exists that walk away. Because as John said, they were never of us, if they were of us, they never would have left (in unbelief) but they left to expose the fact they were never of us

Those people do nto lose salvation. they never had it.. so they never experienced Gods true love, the spirit indwelling them, the love of God.. and hence in their mind, it was all a fable.. and I wasted my time. I no longer believe this

 

[Eternally Grateful]

James 5:16 KJV​

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Also, Simon the sorcerer became a Christian and afterwards sinned and was told to repent which he did. See Acts 8.

God knows the hearts of mean, so he's aware of your sorrow for sin when you ask him for forgiveness.

And as a side note, the scriptures say that God repented such as Gen 6.6, Exodus 32:14 and others. What does that mean? The Lord was sorry and remorseful.

Yes

we confess so we can be healed of that particul;ar sin

we don;t confess to get resaved again or to keep our salvation

that was under the law.. we are not under law but grace

 

[MatthewG]

please explain to me why people. who have been forgiven all of their sin, who have been saved from eternal death. who have received the HS. who has been changed into a new creature. Who have had the whole in their heart, which was left open by the fall, filled with the greatest love mankind can fathom. Who is blessed with every spiritual blessing. who has a God who will never leave nor forsake them and will never fail them

would all of a sudden turn and say, nope I do not believe any of this..

Eternally Grateful,

I can not answer that question, you know.

Are you saying that the possibility is not there?

And this not to bring doubt to your very own mind - you are a saved born again Christian and that is great, wonderful.

We are simply talking about the possibilities, - we know nothing impossible with God, but with man it's not possible. Or something like that.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Eternally Grateful,

I can not answer that question, you know.

Are you saying that the possibility is not there?

And this not to bring doubt to your very own mind - you are a saved born again Christian and that is great, wonderful.

We are simply talking about the possibilities, - we know nothing impossible with God, but with man it's not possible. Or something like that.

I am saying we do not lose faith in people who always have our backs.

we only lose faith in people who prove that they are not trustworthy.

Is God untrustworthy?

 

[MatthewG]

I am saying we do not lose faith in people who always have our backs.

we only lose faith in people who prove that they are not trustworthy.

Is God untrustworthy?

My friend,

I see that this just a deflection my suggested question.

Are you saying it is not a possibility?

When it comes to trustworthy or not - from my perspective respect is always given until trust is broken, pertaining to human beings.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

My friend,

I see that this just a deflection my suggested question.

Are you saying it is not a possibility?

When it comes to trustworthy or not - from my perspective respect is always given until trust is broken, pertaining to human beings.

when you can show me anyone who loses faith in people who NEVER let them down.

then maybe you can convince me that it is possible.

If you think it is possible. it worries me if you yourself has ever felt Gods love and his spirit and his presence..

Not saying you have, but I can not comprehend someone who has thinking they would ever walk away and say it was all a fairy tail

 

[MatthewG]

James 5:16 KJV​

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Also, Simon the sorcerer became a Christian and afterwards sinned and was told to repent which he did. See Acts 8.

God knows the hearts of men, so he's aware of your sorrow for sin when you ask him for forgiveness.

And as a side note, the scriptures say that God repented such as Gen 6.6, Exodus 32:14 and others. What does that mean? The Lord was sorry and remorseful.

@DJT_47,

Alright thank you.

 

[MatthewG]

when you can show me anyone who loses faith in people who NEVER let them down.

then maybe you can convince me that it is possible.

If you think it is possible. it worries me if you yourself has ever felt Gods love and his spirit and his presence..

Not saying you have, but I can not comprehend someone who has thinking they would ever walk away and say it was all a fairy tail

Eternally Grateful,

That just a deflection. Going around the long way about saying - possibly that you do not know.

Hebrews 6:4-6​

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4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, [a]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

It seems possible... of course - this pertains to the going back to the LAW, rather than sticking with faith in Christ, and partaking in the holy spirit.

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[Eternally Grateful]

Eternally Grateful,

That just a deflection. Going around the long way about saying - possibly that you do not know.

Hebrews 6:4-6​

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New American Standard Bible 1995​

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4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, [a]since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

It seems possible... of course - this pertains to the going back to the LAW, rather than sticking with faith in Christ, and partaking in the holy spirit.

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I see this different

anyone who goes to any church has tasted the gift of the spirit just by being around other believers. we call this blessing by association.

In this passage. The author is warning people who have come to the church, and now want to return the law. Telling them that if you leave, you can (will) not ever come back.. Because your heart will be too hard..

This is true.. You always go to where your true faith lies.