PAUL UPHELD THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

[Doug]

[Rom 7:12-13 KJV] 12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Paul did not make void the law but in fact the ten commandments are reflected in his epistles.

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

[1Co 8:6 KJV] 6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

[1Co 5:11 KJV] 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

[1Ti 6:1 KJV] 1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

There is no commandment to observe the sabbath.

5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

[Eph 6:1-2 KJV] 1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)

6. Thou shalt not kill.

[Rom 13:9-10 KJV] 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

[Gal 5:19-21, 24 KJV] 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ... 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

[Rom 13:9 KJV] 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

[Eph 4:28 KJV] 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

[Tit 2:3 KJV] 3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

[Col 3:5 KJV] 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

 

[Jack]

No Sabbath commands in the New Covenant.

 

[Papa Smurf]

Hi Doug (@Doug), while I agree with you that the Decalogue is for all ages ("omnitemporal" is the term that comes to mind), when you say that the Apostle Paul did not "void" it, but "upheld" it in his Epistles instead, in what sense do you mean, "upheld"?

Speaking more specifically, do you believe that we must (personally) keep/obey the Ten Commandments to be saved and/or to maintain our salvation going forward?

Thanks!

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf

 

[Papa Smurf]

The Reformers believed that the Law, including the Decalogue, of course, has had a number of important uses throughout the history of the church. Here's a short article concerning what they (the Reformers) referred to as the "three-fold use of the Law".

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THE THREEFOLD USE OF THE LAW​

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Every Christian wrestles with the question, how does the Old Testament law relate to my life? Is the Old Testament law irrelevant to Christians or is there some sense in which we are still bound by portions of it? As the heresy of antinomianism becomes ever more pervasive in our culture, the need to answer these questions grows increasingly urgent.​

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The Reformation was founded on grace and not upon law. Yet the law of God was not repudiated by the Reformers. ​

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The first purpose of the law is to be a mirror. On the one hand, the law of God reflects and mirrors the perfect righteousness of God. The law tells us much about who God is. Perhaps more important, the law illumines human sinfulness. Augustine wrote, “The law orders, that we, after attempting to do what is ordered, and so feeling our weakness under the law, may learn to implore the help of grace.” The law highlights our weakness so that we might seek the strength found in Christ. Here the law acts as a severe schoolmaster who drives us to Christ (Galatians 3:24).​

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A second purpose for the law is the restraint of evil. The law, in and of itself, cannot change human hearts. It can, however, serve to protect the righteous from the unjust. Calvin says this purpose is “by means of its fearful denunciations and the consequent dread of punishment, to curb those who, unless forced, have no regard for rectitude and justice.” The law allows for a limited measure of justice on this earth, until the last judgment is realized.​

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The third purpose of the law is to reveal what is pleasing to God. As born-again children of God, the law enlightens us as to what is pleasing to our Father, whom we seek to serve. The Christian delights in the law as God Himself delights in it. Jesus said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15). This is the highest function of the law, to serve as an instrument for the people of God to give Him honor and glory.​

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By studying or meditating on the law of God, we attend the school of righteousness. We learn what pleases God and what offends Him. The moral law that God reveals in Scripture is always binding upon us. Our redemption is from the curse of God’s law, not from our duty to obey it. We are justified, not because of our obedience to the law, but in order that we may become obedient to God’s law. To love Christ is to keep His commandments. To love God is to obey His law.​

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Summary​

1. The church today has been invaded by antinomianism, which weakens, rejects, or distorts the law of God.​

2. The law of God is a mirror of God’s holiness and our unrighteousness. It serves to reveal to us our need of a savior.​

3. The law of God is a restraint against sin.​

4. The law of God reveals what is pleasing and what is offensive to God.​

5. The Christian is to love the law of God and to obey the moral law of God.​

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Biblical passages for reflection:​

Psalm 19:7-11​

Psalm 119:9-16​

Romans 7:7-25​

Romans 8:3-4​

1 Corinthians 7:19​

Galatians 3:24​

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~Sproul, R. C. (1992). Essential truths of the Christian faith. Tyndale House​

--Papa Smurf

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[Jack]

Stick with the New Covenant. It will save you from Hell Fire!

 

[Doug]

Hi Doug (@Doug), while I agree with you that the Decalogue is for all ages ("omnitemporal" is the term that comes to mind), when you say that the Apostle Paul did not "void" it, but "upheld" it in his Epistles instead, in what sense do you mean, "upheld"?

Speaking more specifically, do you believe that we must (personally) keep/obey the Ten Commandments to be saved and/or to maintain our salvation going forward?

Thanks!

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf

The ten commandments were given to Israel as part of the covenant,,,,,,Israel was to keep all of his commandments and statutes......Paul did not directly recite them but as shown in the post he reflected them in his epistles.
No one can keep the law.........it gives the knowledge of sin...........love fulfills the law........love causes no harm to others.....charity seeks the best and truth for others

 

[Brakelite]

The ten commandments were given to Israel as part of the covenant,,,,,,Israel was to keep all of his commandments and statutes......Paul did not directly recite them but as shown in the post he reflected them in his epistles.
No one can keep the law.........it gives the knowledge of sin...........love fulfills the law........love causes no harm to others.....charity seeks the best and truth for others

You realise do you not that God's proclamation on Sinai concerning His law wasn't a new thing right? I mean, the serpent lied to Eve yeah? And when Cain rose up against his brother and killed him, that was murder right? And when Joseph ran from his master's wife and suffered jail rather than succumb to temptation, do you remember what he said to her? "I cannot sin against God...". And throughout the rest of Genesis there are numerous instances of other sins. Aside from murder and lying and adultery, there was covetousness, stealing, idolatry, various levels of violence, all of which were transgressions against God's law, His character, His righteousness.
For the most part, they weren't any part of Israel. So was the law only for Israel as many believe, or was it also for the descendants of Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and the descendants of his children's children who spread across the face of the earth after the tower of Babel? Did they not also need to hear about the God of creation, Who required that all should know Him, be they Mesopotamian, Asian, or African? And if all the world needed to learn God's laws and to live in righteousness, who was God going to give those laws to if not the children of Abraham? And would not part of the requirement for hearing those laws be to share them with their neighbours? The Ammorites, the Moabites, and the Hittites etc?

So are the Ten Commandments really only for Israel? And if so, to what purpose?

 

[Doug]

o are the Ten Commandments really only for Israel? And if so, to what purpose?

God gave the ten as part of the covenant he made with Israel.................[Deu 4:13 KJV] 13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone..............as part of the law it was to give the knowledge of sin...........Paul conveyed all of the commandments indirectly in his epistles.....from them we can learn his righteousness

 

[Soyeong]

[Rom 7:12-13 KJV] 12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Paul did not make void the law but in fact it can be found in his epistles.

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

[1Co 8:6 KJV] 6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

[1Co 5:11 KJV] 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

[1Ti 6:1 KJV] 1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and [his] doctrine be not blasphemed.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

There is no commandment to observe the sabbath.

5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

[Eph 6:1-2 KJV] 1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)

6. Thou shalt not kill.

[Rom 13:9-10 KJV] 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

[Gal 5:19-21, 24 KJV] 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. ... 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

[Rom 13:9 KJV] 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

[Eph 4:28 KJV] 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

[Tit 2:3 KJV] 3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

[Col 3:5 KJV] 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Paul was a servant of God, so he upheld all of God's commandments, not just ten of them.

The ten commandments were given to Israel as part of the covenant,,,,,,Israel was to keep all of his commandments and statutes......Paul did not directly recite them but as shown in the post he reflected them in his epistles.
No one can keep the law.........it gives the knowledge of sin...........love fulfills the law........love causes no harm to others.....charity seeks the best and truth for others

In Roman 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Torah is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So the position that no one can keep the law denies what Paul said is the word of faith that we proclaim. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to keep His commandments, which are not burdensome, so the position that no one can keep it denies that anyone has ever loved God and denies that His commandments are not burdensome. Moreover, there are many example of people in the Bible who did keep the Torah, such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. Everything in God's law is in regard to how to love God and our neighbor, so love fulfills the law because it shows a correct understanding of what it is about how to do.

 

[Jack]

Galatians 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse;

Stick with the New Covenant. It will save you from Hell Fire!

 

[Doug]

Paul was a servant of God, so he upheld all of God's commandments, not just ten of them.

Paul said the law was holy just and good but did not say we could keep it or be sanctified by it

 

[Doug]

Paul was a servant of God, so he upheld all of God's commandments, not just ten of them.


In Roman 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Torah is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So the position that no one can keep the law denies what Paul said is the word of faith that we proclaim. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to keep His commandments, which are not burdensome, so the position that no one can keep it denies that anyone has ever loved God and denies that His commandments are not burdensome. Moreover, there are many example of people in the Bible who did keep the Torah, such as with those in Joshua 22:1-3, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14. Everything in God's law is in regard to how to love God and our neighbor, so love fulfills the law because it shows a correct understanding of what it is about how to do.

[Act 13:39 KJV] 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

By the law is the knowledge of sin. You can keep the law to be righteous and blameless but it cant justify unto eternal life,,,,,,if it could Christ died in vain

 

[BarneyFife]

Paul did not make void the law but in fact the ten commandments are reflected in his epistles.

There is no commandment to observe the sabbath.

Unless you have something that's not obvious in mind with your use of the word "reflected," this is hard for me to understand.

:)

 

[Doug]

Unless you have something that's not obvious in mind with your use of the word "reflected," this is hard for me to understand.

:)

Paul didnt restate all the ten commandments verbatim but the essence of them can be seen

 

[Jack]

Many here don't seem to have a clue what the curse is!

Galatians 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse;

 

[Doug]

Many here don't seem to have a clue what the curse is!

Galatians 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse;

Yes...................[Gal 3:11 KJV] 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Soyeong]

Paul said the law was holy just and good but did not say we could keep it

In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to keep and that keeping it brings life and a blessing while not keeping it brings death and a curse, so choose life!

or be sanctified by it

John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

So we can be sanctified by it.

[Act 13:39 KJV] 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

By the law is the knowledge of sin. You can keep the law to be righteous and blameless but it cant justify unto eternal life,,,,,,if it could Christ died in vain

While Paul denied in Romans 4:1-5 that we can earn our justification as the result of our obedience to God's law, he also affirmed in Romans 2:13 that only the doers of the law will be justified, so there must be a reason why our justification requires us to choose to be a doer of the law other than in order to earn it as a wage, namely faith insofar as the same faith by which we are justified also upholds God's law (Romans 3:28-31). So everyone who has faith will be justified and everyone who has faith is a doer of God's law, but we do not earn our justification as the result of our obedience to it. If we could earn our justification as the result of our obedience to God's law, then Christ died in vain. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments and something that we inherit is a gift, so Jesus was not speaking about earning eternal life.

Yes...................[Gal 3:11 KJV] 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, [it is] evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, in Galatians 3:10-12, he contrasted "works of the law" with the Book of the Law, and in Romans 3:31 and Galatians 3:10-12, he said that our faith upholds the Law of God in contrast with saying that "works of the law" are not of faith, so that phrase does not refer to obedience to the Law of God, but rather Paul used it to refer to the position that Gentiles are required to become circumcised/Jews in order to become saved/justified

 

[Jack]

John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

I'll stick with Jesus!

 

[David Lamb]

John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

I'll stick with Jesus!

So will I, in the sense that we can never be saved by keeping the law. But Jesus upheld the Ten Commandments. He gave the summary version of them:


“‘And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This [is] the first commandment. "And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these."” (Mr 12:30-31 NKJV)

This was in answer to someone asking Him which was the greatest commandment. He didn't say, "Don't worry about the commandments. I have come to bring grace and truth."

 

[Doug]

This was in answer to someone asking Him which was the greatest commandment. He didn't say, "Don't worry about the commandments. I have come to bring grace and truth."

Jesus was made under the law (Galatians 4:4) and taught the law (Matthew 5:18-19)