PAUL PREACHED A SECRET GOSPEL

[Doug]

Peter says account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation;

There is the gospel in that accounting, as Paul in his epistles speaks of it

So all we have to believe is the Lord is longsuffering to go to heaven?

 

[Doug]

In verse 15, Peter is admitting that Paul received wisdom (mystery) that he didn't, and Paul's account of Jesus's salvation (gospel) is correct. In verse 16, Peter says Paul's epistles contain these mystery's. The result is Peter working with Paul in Antioch and Ephesus and Rome.

So this is the gospel you believe
[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[Verily]

So all we have to believe is the Lord is longsuffering to go to heaven?

Reread that

2Pet 3
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

 

[Verily]

Reread that

2Pet 3
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Rom.2
[4] Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

 

[Doug]

that all should come to repentance.
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;

I am not being antagonistic here just nailing down the gospel

The repentance is to account the longsuffering is salvation
There is more than one use for salvation
[2Pe 3:9 KJV] 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
They were to repent and believe the day of the Lord was not slack in coming

 

[Verily]

The gospel of our salvation heavily relies on the longsuffering of the Lord in other words, you know, that "somethin somethin" between a holy God and sinners

....

 

[Doug]

In verse 15, Peter is admitting that Paul received wisdom (mystery) that he didn't, and Paul's account of Jesus's salvation (gospel) is correct. In verse 16, Peter says Paul's epistles contain these mystery's. The result is Peter working with Paul in Antioch and Ephesus and Rome.

This is the context of 2 Peter

I am not being antagonistic here just nailing down the gospel

The repentance is to account the longsuffering is salvation
There is more than one use for salvation
[2Pe 3:9 KJV] 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
They were to repent and believe the day of the Lord was not slack in coming

 

[Doug]

The gospel of our salvation heavily relies on the longsuffering of the Lord in other words, you know, that "somethin somethin" between a holy God and sinners

....

True but thats not the gospel

 

[Doug]

you know, that "somethin somethin"

Is that Michael Jackson Haha
I said you wanna be startin' somethin'
You got to be startin' somethin'
I said you wanna be startin' somethin'
You got to be startin' somethin'

 

[Verily]

True but thats not the gospel

There is the gospel in that accounting as Peter speaks of, he tells us that the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. And he is the one who tells us to account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation

You cannot see gospel in a longsuffering God full of mercy who forgives sin

The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression

Or anything in Paul's preaching or life consistant with that same longsuffering?

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Peter did speak of those who wrest with these things too

 

[Doug]

There is the gospel in that accounting as Peter speaks of, he tells us that the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. And he is the one who tells us to account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation

You cannot see gospel in a longsuffering God full of mercy who forgives sin

The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression

Or anything in Paul's preaching or life consistant with that same longsuffering?

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Peter did speak of those who wrest with these things too

Longsuffering to Paul shows the pattern for our salvation in that we are all sinners saved freely by the blood

PS I was not making fun of you with the Michael Jackson reference...just wanted to lighten up...what popped in my head

 

[Doug]

In verse 15, Peter is admitting that Paul received wisdom (mystery) that he didn't, and Paul's account of Jesus's salvation (gospel) is correct. In verse 16, Peter says Paul's epistles contain these mystery's. The result is Peter working with Paul in Antioch and Ephesus and Rome.

Here is the gospel I believe
THE GOSPEL

 

[Doug]

There is the gospel in that accounting as Peter speaks of, he tells us that the Lord is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. And he is the one who tells us to account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation

You cannot see gospel in a longsuffering God full of mercy who forgives sin

The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression

Or anything in Paul's preaching or life consistant with that same longsuffering?

Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Peter did speak of those who wrest with these things too

Here is the gospel I believe
THE GOSPEL

 

[Verily]

Longsuffering to Paul shows the pattern for our salvation in that we are all sinners saved freely by the blood

PS I was not making fun of you with the Michael Jackson reference...just wanted to lighten up...what popped in my head

To be honest with you I have no idea where the saying "somethin' somethin'" came from, could have just stumbled across it and it stuck with me so I would have missed the connection.

And I didnt think you were making fun of me, I missed the post. But even if you were that would not have bothered me. I can poke fun at things myself (and not always to lighten things up).

Think about it, He is in whom we have redemption. It says, having made known to us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath "purposed in" himself. And how the gospel as well as the longsuffering of the Lord is salvation. They are both true as both Paul and Peter write that is the case, one just so happens to include mention of the gospel concerning it (to which you may disagree).

I can't find something I had previously written up on this one, but I loved it, I gotta find it but in short as I recall it, I had brought in how his gifts and calling are without repentance. How that elsewhere it speaks saying "good and upright is the LORD and he will teach sinners "in the way" (even as Jesus, who is "the way") spake as the Father taught him, (and received sinners, as was the accusation against him). Yet it was His goodness that leadeth us to repentance, His longsuffering that is our salvation, because it waits (as it did in the days of Noah) not willing that any should perish, and desiring all men to come to repentance. And it was playing off these things that brought in the nature of God into gospel itself (as it should). I cant find it though.

 

[Doug]

All Apostles preached salvation by Jesus alone.
Paul was simply one amoung many

Here is the gospel I believe
THE GOSPEL

 

[rebuilder 454]

This was not the gospel Paul preached
Paul preached
[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Peter and the disciples preached faith in the name of Christ...believing he was Christ. Son of God
[Act 4:12 KJV] 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Paul declared baptism as part of one's salvation
Col 2
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Hate to bring that bad news.
I know you guys are unaware that they all preached salvation by Jesus only.
Bizarre but for some reason you guys omit all Apostles save paul, and most likely do not know anything about what they preached
I just showed you Peter preached salvation through Jesus.
You could not accept the bible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Reread that

2Pet 3
[9] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Maybe Paul got it from peter!!!
Too funny.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Here is the gospel I believe
THE GOSPEL

The same gospel the devil believes.
You can believe sentences all you want.
Many atheists also believe sentences about Jesus.
News flash for every hyperpauline:
Salvation is not a book, words, or doctrine.
SALVATION IS A PERSON.
HIS NAME IS JESUS.
If you miss that, and can quote Paul from memory, you are one lost soul.

Remember , the devil believes the gospel. He was there.

I shall call it "book salvation"
A book and sentences replace actual salvation
Pssssst.....a PERSON.....JESUS.

 

[Doug]

Paul declared baptism as part of one's salvation

[1Co 1:17 KJV] 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

In the above verse it can be seen that baptism is not part of the gospel

[1Co 1:14 KJV] 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

If baptism was needed for salvation why would he not baptize everybody?

 

[Doug]

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

[1Co 12:13 KJV] 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Paul preached baptism by the Spirit