PAUL PREACHED A SECRET GOSPEL

[Doug]

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter preached Christ.

Peter preached Christ would be sent if Israel repented.

Peter preached Christ according to what all the prophets spoke since the world began.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul preached Christ.

Paul preached Christ according to the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.

If Paul preached the gospel and Christ according to the mystery kept secret since the world began, Peter could not be preaching the same gospel as Paul seeing that what Paul preached was kept secret from him.

[Eph 3:3-5 KJV] 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

The mystery could not have been preached by Peter seeing that the mystery was not made known until revealed to Paul.

What was preached since the world began can not be the same thing if it was kept secret since the world began.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter preached Christ.

Peter preached Christ would be sent if Israel repented.

Peter preached Christ according to what all the prophets spoke since the world began.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul preached Christ.

Paul preached Christ according to the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.

If Paul preached the gospel and Christ according to the mystery kept secret since the world began, Peter could not be preaching the same gospel as Paul seeing that what Paul preached was kept secret from him.

[Eph 3:3-5 KJV] 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

The mystery could not have been preached by Peter seeing that the mystery was not made known until revealed to Paul.

What was preached since the world began can not be the same thing if it was kept secret since the world began.

you are correct in saying Paul did not preach the same gospel as Peter. Do you know the difference? can you explain this to us? Can you explain this Mystery Paul received in secret that the original 12 who lived with Christ and followed him for 3 years and were chosen by the son of God himself were not privy to?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter preached Christ.

Peter preached Christ would be sent if Israel repented.

Peter preached Christ according to what all the prophets spoke since the world began.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul preached Christ.

Paul preached Christ according to the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.

If Paul preached the gospel and Christ according to the mystery kept secret since the world began, Peter could not be preaching the same gospel as Paul seeing that what Paul preached was kept secret from him.

[Eph 3:3-5 KJV] 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

The mystery could not have been preached by Peter seeing that the mystery was not made known until revealed to Paul.

What was preached since the world began can not be the same thing if it was kept secret since the world began.

Well the mystery was revealed by Paul in ephesians:

Ephesians 3

King James Version

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3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Well the mystery was revealed by Paul in ephesians:

Ephesians 3​

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King James Version​

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3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Nothing secret there, Jesus asked the 12 to preach all he said and did to all the world.....see matthew, the great comission.

 

[Scott Downey]

Marked in red. God through Christ is joined with the people of God as in a marriage. And the church, the family of God, through Christ is going to rule over principalities and powers. I take this to mean the wicked ones.​

Something unexpected by them.

1 Cor 2
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God [a]ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1 Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Purpose of the Mystery​

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the [b]fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things [c]through Jesus Christ;

10 to the intent that now the [d]manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the [e]principalities and powers in the heavenly places,

11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,

12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. 13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

Appreciation of the Mystery​

14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father [f]of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— 19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.

 

[Doug]

Marked in red. God through Christ is joined with the people of God as in a marriage. And the church, the family of God, through Christ is going to rule over principalities and powers. I take this to mean the wicked ones.

I dont think it will be over the wicked but rather being a part of overall administration of His government
We will rule over the angelic realm
The devil and his angels will be cast into hell
[Rev 12:9 KJV] 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nothing secret there, Jesus asked the 12 to preach all he said and did to all the world.....see matthew, the great comission.

The mystery is that Jew and Gentile would be one body in christ and that the law which was set up to keep the gentiles out was abolished.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter preached Christ.

Peter preached Christ would be sent if Israel repented.

Peter preached Christ according to what all the prophets spoke since the world began.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Paul preached Christ.

Paul preached Christ according to the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.

If Paul preached the gospel and Christ according to the mystery kept secret since the world began, Peter could not be preaching the same gospel as Paul seeing that what Paul preached was kept secret from him.

[Eph 3:3-5 KJV] 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

The mystery could not have been preached by Peter seeing that the mystery was not made known until revealed to Paul.

What was preached since the world began can not be the same thing if it was kept secret since the world began.

Lol
It was and is a mystery to unbelievers.
Not a mystery to Peter .
Not a mystery to James or John either.

You have to ask yourself. What is the end game here?
The end game for the hyper Pauline is simply that paul is right and everybody else is wrong.
That is the end game
No evidence of it and it's not even true.
That is the very bazaar end game.

Imagine a world in Christianity where "repent and be baptised" is some boogeyman man to run from

One thing the Pauline cannot wiggle out of, is that Paul, apparently in that hyper pauline Error doctrine ,cursed Jesus ,Peter ,John ,and James, because Paul cursed anyone preaching a different gospel.
That is just a total mess for that Pauline doctrine.

 

[Doug]

Lol
It was and is a mystery to unbelievers.
Not a mystery to Peter .
Not a mystery to James or John either.

You have to ask yourself. What is the end game here?
The end game for the hyper Pauline is simply that paul is right and everybody else is wrong.
That is the end game
No evidence of it and it's not even true.
That is the very bazaar end game.

Imagine a world in Christianity where "repent and be baptised" is some boogeyman man to run from

One thing the Pauline cannot wiggle out of, is that Paul, apparently in that hyper pauline Error doctrine ,cursed Jesus ,Peter ,John ,and James, because Paul cursed anyone preaching a different gospel.
That is just a total mess for that Pauline doctrine.

Did you need me to elucidate anything about this post?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Did you need me to elucidate anything about this post?

It is a forum.
Go for it.
Show me how the apostles preached a different Gospel than paul, but Paul was not cursing them even though they were heretics according to your doctrine.

 

[Doug]

It is a forum.
Go for it.
Show me how the apostles preached a different Gospel than paul, but Paul was not cursing them even though they were heretics according to your doctrine.

There was no antagonism between Peter and Paul over their preaching different gospels. There was however, by each, a recognition of the necessity of seperation of the gospels being preached. Paul did not curse Peter for preaching another gospel. Peter's gospel was not conflicting with Paul's gospel, nor perverting it.

 

[Rockerduck]

Peter and Paul both ended up working together for the same gospel and both ended up in Rome. Peter first preached to the gentiles (Acts 15:14) and Paul was the apostle to the gentiles So, they had a common bond. At first, Peter preached John's baptism and Jesus' salvation but soon changed. Peter understood the gospel better with Paul, who received the mysteries. (2 Peter 3:15-16)

 

[Doug]

Peter and Paul both ended up working together for the same gospel and both ended up in Rome. Peter first preached to the gentiles (Acts 15:14) and Paul was the apostle to the gentiles So, they had a common bond. At first, Peter preached John's baptism and Jesus' salvation but soon changed. Peter understood the gospel better with Paul, who received the mysteries. (2 Peter 3:15-16)

Please give me the same gospel Peter and Paul preached

 

[Rockerduck]

Please give me the same gospel Peter and Paul preached

I did. read 2 Peter.

 

[Doug]

I did. read 2 Peter.

[2Pe 3:15-16 KJV] 15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

There is no gospel here

 

[Rockerduck]

[2Pe 3:15-16 KJV] 15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

There is no gospel here

In verse 15, Peter is admitting that Paul received wisdom (mystery) that he didn't, and Paul's account of Jesus's salvation (gospel) is correct. In verse 16, Peter says Paul's epistles contain these mystery's. The result is Peter working with Paul in Antioch and Ephesus and Rome.

 

[rebuilder 454]

On

Please give me the same gospel Peter and Paul preached

Only one gospel.
Preached by all Apostles.
As demonstrated by Peter.
Acts 3
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

 

[rebuilder 454]

All Apostles preached salvation by Jesus alone.
Paul was simply one amoung many

 

[Doug]

On
Only one gospel.
Preached by all Apostles.
As demonstrated by Peter.
Acts 3
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

This was not the gospel Paul preached
Paul preached
[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Peter and the disciples preached faith in the name of Christ...believing he was Christ. Son of God
[Act 4:12 KJV] 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

[Verily]

[2Pe 3:15-16 KJV] 15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

There is no gospel here

Peter says account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation;

There is the gospel in that accounting, as Paul in his epistles speaks of it

Ephes 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Same with despising the forbearance and longsuffering of the Lord

Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Them not knowing here would also seem to indicate they are unlearned and are wresting with these things as Paul presents them