Passover vs Eucharist

[Philip James]

Why is that? Curious.

I honestly don't know.
I have never given it much thought. I cant imagine someone not wanting to receive at least once a year..
I'll see if i can find out for you.

Peace!

 

[marks]

I honestly don't know.
I have never given it much thought. I cant imagine someone not wanting to receive at least once a year..
I'll see if i can find out for you.

Peace!

I appreciate that. As I said I'm simply curious.

 

[Philip James]

I appreciate that. As I said I'm simply curious.

I found this:

"The Church supports the sacramental life of those who may have a scrupulous fear of unworthiness to receive Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist and of those in mortal or serious sin whose laxity is leading them away from the sacraments."

Here: You Need to Know about This Easter Requirement

'The scrupulous fear of unworthiness' i can understand.
As one becomes more aware of just WHO they are approaching to receive, it can be overwhelming...
But 'perfect love casts out all fear' and so the love of Christ frees us to boldly approach the throne of Grace..

Peace!

 

[marks]

I found this:

"The Church supports the sacramental life of those who may have a scrupulous fear of unworthiness to receive Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist and of those in mortal or serious sin whose laxity is leading them away from the sacraments."

Here: You Need to Know about This Easter Requirement

'The scrupulous fear of unworthiness' i can understand.
As one becomes more aware of just WHO they are approaching to receive, it can be overwhelming...
But 'perfect love casts out all fear' and so the love of Christ frees us to boldly approach the throne of Grace..

Peace!

This was the only thing I could find in that article that gives an actual reason for an annual minimum.

"To once a year go to sacramental confession and receive Holy Communion at Easter Season (or some other time if need be) is to recognize the Church’s role in helping us gain our salvation."

It goes on to say . . .

"The Church wisely employs a minimum obligation—the Easter Duty— as a merciful means to help the faithful to stay on their sacramental path toward resurrection in Christ."

But even this doesn't seem to be a reason why this is so, that is, once yearly. Why not twice yearly? Why not every other year? You can fulfill the duty at other times of the year if necessary, so the Paschal timing is preference but not requirement.

There was a statement that the Easter Duty is a means by which we are assured of meeting the minimum sacramental requirement, but it didn't say what makes that a minimum. Best I can tell it's simply what someone thought best as a safety net, does that sound right?

Thank you for finding this for me!

Much love!

 

[Philip James]

This was the only thing I could find in that article that gives an actual reason for an annual minimum.

"To once a year go to sacramental confession and receive Holy Communion at Easter Season (or some other time if need be) is to recognize the Church’s role in helping us gain our salvation."

It goes on to say . . .

"The Church wisely employs a minimum obligation—the Easter Duty— as a merciful means to help the faithful to stay on their sacramental path toward resurrection in Christ."

But even this doesn't seem to be a reason why this is so, that is, once yearly. Why not twice yearly? Why not every other year? You can fulfill the duty at other times of the year if necessary, so the Paschal timing is preference but not requirement.

There was a statement that the Easter Duty is a means by which we are assured of meeting the minimum sacramental requirement, but it didn't say what makes that a minimum. Best I can tell it's simply what someone thought best as a safety net, does that sound right?

Thank you for finding this for me!

Much love!

Now those may seem like reasonable pastoral applications of that rule, but im not sure thats why it was implemented..

It seems to come from a canon passed at the 4th lateran council and Innocent III.
Im going to try and dig up English translations of documents from that council to see if they say something about it.
I'll update you if i find anything.

Peace!

This will be fun for me. I will update you

 

[Philip James]

I found an english translation of the final document of lateran iv here:

Fourth Lateran Council : 1215 Council Fathers - Papal Encyclicals

Canon 21 is the one that establishes this discipline, but there is no info on why it was done. Gonna have to do more digging ;)

Peace!

 

[marks]

Now those may seem like reasonable pastoral applications of that rule, but im not sure thats why it was implemented..

It seems to come from a canon passed at the 4th lateran council and Innocent III.
Im going to try and dig up English translations of documents from that council to see if they say something about it.
I'll update you if i find anything.

Peace!

This will be fun for me. I will update you

Well thank you so very much!

While good natured it seemed a bit arbitrary, so that will be interesting to know if there were some more particular reason.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I found an english translation of the final document of lateran iv here:

Fourth Lateran Council : 1215 Council Fathers - Papal Encyclicals

Canon 21 is the one that establishes this discipline, but there is no info on why it was done. Gonna have to do more digging ;)

Peace!

BTW I like your new avatar, when I saw it the first thing that popped into mind was Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee!

Much love!

 

[bbyrd009]

Well thank you so very much!

While good natured it seemed a bit arbitrary, so that will be interesting to know if there were some more particular reason.

Much love!

bc i know the wolves will rush in as soon as i leave, not sparing the flock i bet

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Would any other person who believes in the eucharist catholic or non catholic like to explain to me why all the things promised in John 6 are not given to EVERYONE who eats?

I am done with the few here who think because I disagree with them I HATE all catholics

Anyone, I will be happy to discuss

 

[Philip James]

BTW I like your new avatar, when I saw it the first thing that popped into mind was Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee!

Much love!

Thank you!
That's my miracle boy, Marc, who i've mentioned on here a few times.

He is almost always joyful!

Peace!

 

[Philip James]

Would any other person who believes in the eucharist catholic or non catholic like to explain to me why all the things promised in John 6 are not given to EVERYONE who eats?

Hello EG,

Paul makes it clear in 1cor 11 that those who partake unworthily eat and drink condemnation on themselves,
But for those who partake worthily, why would you suggest they don't receive all of Jesus' promises?

Peace be with you!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hello EG,

Paul makes it clear in 1cor 11 that those who partake unworthily eat and drink condemnation on themselves,
But for those who partake worthily, why would you suggest they don't receive all of Jesus' promises?

Peace be with you!

Let’s research this

let’s start With what Jesus said in John 6

manna you ate often

Jesus said don’t work for something like that but for food which ENDURES to eternal life, which HE will give us.

tell us why this differs that what is done in 1 cor 11

peace to you also

 

[Philip James]

Let’s research this

let’s start With what Jesus said in John 6

manna you ate often

Jesus said don’t work for something like that but for food which ENDURES to eternal life, which HE will give us.

tell us why this differs that what is done in 1 cor 11

Perspective. In John 6 Jesus is speaking of the food He would give us. In 1Cor 11 Paul is speaking of the food Jesus did give us.

peace to you also

Thank you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Perspective. In John 6 Jesus is speaking of the food He would give us. In 1Cor 11 Paul is speaking of the food Jesus did give us.



Thank you!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

I disagree

john 6 is food Jesus gave us, and said it will endure forever

1 cor 12 is food a priest of someone else gives us, and says take often

anyway, can you please respond to th difference between food which endures forever, (John 6) and a food which does not endure forever? (1 cor)
Thank you, and bless you

 

[Marymog]

I disagree

john 6 is food Jesus gave us, and said it will endure forever

1 cor 12 is food a priest of someone else gives us, and says take often

anyway, can you please respond to th difference between food which endures forever, (John 6) and a food which does not endure forever? (1 cor)
Thank you, and bless you

Hi EG,

I am trying to understand your interpretation of John 6. Where does it say that that the food Jesus gave us (past tense) will endure forever?

Respectfully, Mary

 

[Marymog]

I disagree

john 6 is food Jesus gave us, and said it will endure forever

1 cor 12 is food a priest of someone else gives us, and says take often

anyway, can you please respond to th difference between food which endures forever, (John 6) and a food which does not endure forever? (1 cor)
Thank you, and bless you

Hi EG,

I think you meant 1 Cor 11 when speaking of “food a priest of someone else gives us”?

The reason i ask is so I can have clarification before researching this more.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hi EG,

I am trying to understand your interpretation of John 6. Where does it say that that the food Jesus gave us (past tense) will endure forever?

Respectfully, Mary

Today it is past tense.
At the time he had yet to give his life.
But he did say it would endure forever

Did he not tell them to not search for food which perished but food which will endure forever?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hi EG,

I think you meant 1 Cor 11 when speaking of “food a priest of someone else gives us”?

The reason i ask is so I can have clarification before researching this more.

Yes 11 sorry

 

[Philip James]

1 cor 12 is food a priest of someone else gives us, and says take

Dear EG,

It is one and the same loaf Jesus broke and one and the same cup that Jesus gave us:

The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?

Because the loaf of bread is one, we, though many, are one body, for we all partake of the one loaf.

Peace!