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the sacraments are in the church and make us members of Christ and his church and are required
Just as the ark of Noah was required for salvation from the flood so the church the ark of salvation is required
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)
only By faith and baptism can you be justified
It is the grace of God
The merits of christ
Acts 2:38-39 promise sacred oath or sacrament
ez 36:25-27
Acts 8:36-38
Acts 22:16
Mk 16:16
Eph 4:5
(Born of God) faith and baptism
Jn 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Born of God by baptism
1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, (baptism rom 6:3-4)
Born again jn 3:5 baptismal regeneration
Ferris Bueller
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That's called 'works justification'. The very thing Paul argued against.
No one is made righteous by performing works. Paul used Abraham to prove to the Jews that justification is by faith in God's promise of a son who will inherit the blessing on our behalf, apart from any work performed. That doesn't mean the faith that justifies all by itself apart from works will, or can be, devoid of works. It means that justification (being made righteous in God's sight) is in no way secured through the merit of performing works.
Ferris Bueller
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then why say faith alone if you don’t mean it
Christ said let you’re yes be yes and your’e no be no
council of Trent with the authority of Christ
The holy apostles bind on earth and in heaven
if anyone says a man may be justified by faith alone let him be anathema
Ferris Bueller
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No, a type of Christ. We are saved from God's judgment upon the world when we enter into and are sealed in Christ. Only those who are baptized into Christ by the Holy Spirit are sealed in Christ. Water baptism counts for nothing. Just like circumcision counts for nothing. The spiritual reality that the figure represents is what counts.
Taken
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"Partaking of the Holy Spirit"...
DOES NOT mean Saved.
So what about it? Why do you think that is SOOOOO important?
Not news, the Unsaved have a fire pit to look foreward to.
it is finished refers to the Passover sacrifice and not the work of redemption
Ferris Bueller
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I don't say 'faith alone' unless I am talking about James' argument about 'faith alone'. James' 'faith alone' argument is NOT Paul's 'righteousness apart from works*' argument. For clarity I would like you to address Paul's argument in the way he stated it in the scriptures: "...to whom God credits righteousness apart from works..." Romans 4:6
*correction, my bad.
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Ferris Bueller
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I'll have to do some digging. I've seen the documentation shared once or twice in forums. If I understand correctly, it is their perceived authority over Christ that gave them the confidence to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
either Mary is God
Or
Mary never existed
rejection of scripture is rejection of Christ
Mother of God Lk 1:43
Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity
Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-3
A good tree!
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Say it Hail Mary!
Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!
Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!
Drop the fundamentalist brainwashing
No idols no worship no adoration
reverence love devotion honor are not worship
No Paul was opposed to works alone
And works of the law of Moses
Not faith and works
See 1 cor 13 for example
Paul say even “all faith” without charity avails nothing
Taken
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thank you
Jesus and his church are one
Union of Christ and the church
Acts 9:4 eph 5:32
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
Christ and His church are one. Acts 9:4 we must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Lk 24:27 Acts 2:42 Acts 8, eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 thee faith not read scripture and make you’re own faith!
Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority of fathers! Heb 13:17
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
Christ and His church are one. Acts 9:4 we must be taught by the holy church by the apostles! Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Lk 24:27 Acts 2:42 Acts 8, eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 thee faith not read scripture and make you’re own faith!
Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority of fathers! Heb 13:17
