OSAS being False Doctrine!

[ScottA]

Uh huh, even if your erroneous assumption WAS actually true... Romans 8 provides the answer and the fix for Romans 7 man... so walk in what Romans 8 teaches and quit being a sinner!

Those that don't allow the Holy Ghost to LIVE in them... will never stop sinning, and they won't be found in Heaven either as only those led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God.

But hey, if you want to advocate for living in sin... it's your funeral buddy! It will not end well.


Read it again... he said IF he did not keep his flesh under control he WOULD be a castaway... thus teaching OSAS is false doctrine and something he does not espouse.

IF the false doctrine of OSAS was actually true... Paul would have said "meh, it doesn't matter if I control my fleshly desires... I can sin all I want and I'm still going to Heaven... yippee!"

I keep saying you misunderstand, and here again you apparently don't even what Once Saved Always Saved is.

To be clear--not for you, you don't seem to want to know...but for anyone else who would like to actually know the truth from God rather than from naysayers: OSAS refers to the fact that God is fully capable of saving a sinner (one who has acted against God) and does so, not with the flesh body, but with a new spiritual body that is born [again] within ("the kingdom of God is within you"), while at the same time fulfilling the death sentience for sin regarding the body of flesh. Which is the good news and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Meanwhile, you are an accuser...which is hereditary.

Those that have been brainwashed by the false teachers will undoubtedly advocate for false doctrine being true. I've already posted tons of scripture proving one can lose their salvation... claim it ain't so all you'd like... just like the liberals claiming some isn't true when it is... does not make it not true.

So, feel free to claim it's not true till you turn blue... those that know God's Word won't be listening to you!...

All that you proved is that you misunderstand...and you have an agenda to accuse.

 

[Taken]

NO , its simply about DO WE BELIEVE IT . TOO many have done what you are doing RIGHT NOW
and making some kind of excuse to overlook something .
IT would be like me saying to a crowd and teaching them about a diet .
Its a good diet too . I mean it gives the list of all we ought to eat and what not to eat .
BUT THEN some come along and WELL THEY STILL LIKE BIG MACS and WHOPPERS WITH TONS OF CHEESE
so what do they do , THEY SAY To others , HEY his list was only wrote for diabetics or non diabetics in places .
WHEN MY LIST WAS WRITTEN TO ALL . THEM WORDS ARE OUR MEAT MY FRIEND . EAT THEM and never
toss them aside saying things like oh this applies to this or that . THEM WORDS ARE OUR MEAT .

thats meat drinks and days . and pual already explained that . the same paul that also said
for we , AS IN THE CHURCH , are made partakers of CHRIST IF , IF we hold our confidence firm to THE END .
Look its time we set aside OSAS and even NON OSAS and rather JUST TEACH EVERY WORD JESUS TAUGHT
and EVERY WORD THE APOSTELS EVER WROTE . THAT BE THE KEY RIGHT THERE .

The Lord is WITH a partaker.
A partaker IS A BELIEVER….NOT CONVERTED.
A Believer CAN fall away and THUS Warning of possibility of falling away and ENDURING to the END of THEIR PHYSICAL LIFE, to KEEP believing so AT PHYSICAL DEATH, they SHALL BE SAVED.

The Lord is WITH AND IN the Converted.
They have ALREADY given their Bodily LIFE unto DEATH, Crucified with Christ!! They have already MET their END of Natural Bodily Life, and ARE Saved and Forever WITH God.

 

[ScottA]

Is it so hard to understand that one who is saved has received eternal life from God, which by definition would not be "eternal" if they could lose it, making God a liar?

Is that really the position anyone here wants to take? Because to do so--because eternal life comes by the Holy Spirit--it is to commit the unforgivable sin.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You simply hurl accusations, without a shred of applicable Scripture to support your accusations.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to believe whatever it is you'd like to believe

I expect the OSAS peoples to always claim anybody that disagrees with them have blah blah blah whatever cause that's what the OSAS peoples do!

AND? SO? NOT news….That applies to ANY man who has not been CONVERTED.

It would be mocking God to claim what God says about sowing and reaping does not apply to ALL people whether saved or not.

Oh Good grief…Stop pretending people have said what they have NOT said. God IS THE ONE revealing His Knowledge and His Understanding, that His gift of Salvation He has Given a man…IS Permanent.

Lots of people are claiming that IF one lives in sin they'll still, to to Heaven anyway and they are purveyors of the security in sin gospel, grace changers hawkin greasy grace

Is it your claim too that is one lives after the pleasures of the flesh (sin) not abiding In Christ baring fruit... they will be saved? Kinda sounds like you are a big fan of the OSAS people teachings eh?

HOW, by WHAT precise meaning do you BELIEVE a person CAN LOSE their Salvation?

Please see previous posts where scriptures have already been posted about this... ya gotta keep up man!

Which ones should we cross out?

Good one!

The ones that dont agree with the leaders we sit under

That's why I quit sitting under the false teachers...

Application is established BY WHAT the individual DOES Believe and DO.

No that is not a very OSAS thing to say.... you people always claim Christians don't have to do anything other than believe Jesus is real and they'll go to Heaven and it's all good up in the hood YO!

If you don't retract the part about doing stuff, the OSAS police are going to want to have word with you!

 

[Taken]

That's your opinion and you are entitled to believe whatever it is you'd like to believe.

Correct. And attempting to have a spiritual conversation with you when your comments, opinions and accusations are secular is fruitless and moot.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Correct. And attempting to have a spiritual conversation with you when your comments, opinions and accusations are secular is fruitless and moot.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to believe whatever it is you'd like to believe.

I know it's gotta be hard for you when people don't snap to be believe what you tell them to believe... some folks have their own relationship with the Lord and accept ALL he has to say on the different subjects such as this so they tend to get better information directly from the Lord.

But none to fear... if you look around a little there are many gullibles amongst us who will snap right to and believe exactly what you tell them to believe... that way you can get that warm and fuzzy feeling you be lookin for!

 

[amigo de christo]

The Lord is WITH a partaker.
A partaker IS A BELIEVER….NOT CONVERTED.
A Believer CAN fall away and THUS Warning of possibility of falling away and ENDURING to the END of THEIR PHYSICAL LIFE, to KEEP believing so AT PHYSICAL DEATH, they SHALL BE SAVED.

The Lord is WITH AND IN the Converted.
They have ALREADY given their Bodily LIFE unto DEATH, Crucified with Christ!! They have already MET their END of Natural Bodily Life, and ARE Saved and Forever WITH God.

And when DID JESUS EVER TEACH that my friend. He told his very own YE MUST CONTINUE IN ME .
A partaker of CHRIST , HAS BEEN CONVERTED . JESUS never taught otherwise my friend.
EITHER we are OF HIM or one IS NOT . NOW that HE DID TEACH.
Besides that , do you realize that most osas and even most non osas Are not FOLLOWING HIM at all
but rather another jesus . LETS NOT give anyone any false hope . EITHER WE ARE HIS OR WE ARE NOT .
And if we are HIS we are partakers , we are born again . There is no branch outside of him
that HE is with my friend. THERE IS ONLY HE , the TREE and the lambs the branches
WITHOUT HIM we can do nothing .
Your fighting so hard , so much zeal my friend . I mean you have the zeal of a mighty warrior
ONLY YOUR WASTING ALL OF IT ON AN ACROYMN .
PLEASE PREACH JESUSCHRIST and PLEASE REMIND THE CHURCH TO CONTINUE TO THE END .
JESUS DID . THE APOSTELS DID . SO WE DO TOO .
If folks had even a hundreth of the zeal for PREACHING JESUS as they did for mens doctrines
WE COULD HAVE TURNED THISWORLD and the church world UPSIDE DOWN .
ITS TIME TO PREACH JESUS CHRIST and ALL HE DID teach and all the apostels left us in letters too .
TIME is running out taken . IT might seem hard to beleive , BUT I AM WARNING US THAT TIME
is far shorter than we realize . Folks are dying in sin , trapped under another jesus
or in a false religoin all together and some folks just want to holler acroynms and WORSE
MUCH WORSE many folks are now hollering a false love that will save not one soul who preached it or beleived it .
TAKEN WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME . WE GOTTA get back to preaching JESUS CHRIST and all sound doctrine .

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct. And attempting to have a spiritual conversation with you when your comments, opinions and accusations are secular is fruitless and moot.

I have an idea , lets drop acroynms , lets rather preach EVERY WORD of the LORD .
Then we would not have so much strife to and fro .
taken , please take heed to this dire dire warning . MOST FOLKS are LOST IN SIN my friend .
IT dont seem to matter what camp one is of either , many no longer FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST
but rather another jesus . WE GOTTA get back into the bible and start teaching and reminding folks
about ER THANG , that would be EVERYTHING that CHRIST and the apostels taught .
Taken many aint gonna make it .
I watch folks debate and make war over acroynms and what i see it truly terrifying
BOTH SIDES , many of them are following ANOTHER JESUS . Time to flee acroynms
time to return to bible and let us teach THAT instead .
We must dig in and stand solid in the trenches . THE WHORE HAS UNLEASHED A MOST FOUL FALSE LOVE
a delusion filled with fornication and false hope . WE STAND NOW to contend for the true faith
OR MANY AINT GONNA MAKE IT TAKEN .

 

[amigo de christo]

That's your opinion and you are entitled to believe whatever it is you'd like to believe

I expect the OSAS peoples to always claim anybody that disagrees with them have blah blah blah whatever cause that's what the OSAS peoples do!



It would be mocking God to claim what God says about sowing and reaping does not apply to ALL people whether saved or not.



Lots of people are claiming that IF one lives in sin they'll still, to to Heaven anyway and they are purveyors of the security in sin gospel, grace changers hawkin greasy grace

Is it your claim too that is one lives after the pleasures of the flesh (sin) not abiding In Christ baring fruit... they will be saved? Kinda sounds like you are a big fan of the OSAS people teachings eh?



Please see previous posts where scriptures have already been posted about this... ya gotta keep up man!


Good one!


That's why I quit sitting under the false teachers...



No that is not a very OSAS thing to say.... you people always claim Christians don't have to do anything other than believe Jesus is real and they'll go to Heaven and it's all good up in the hood YO!

If you don't retract the part about doing stuff, the OSAS police are going to want to have word with you!

That truly is the problem today . MANY JUST KEEP SITTING UNDER LEADERS who have already picked and chosen
their own doctrine . Folks simply are not reading that bible for themselves.
IF they do read it , ITS through the lens men gave them . Many are not gonna make it .
This grieves my soul big time . We gotta get back in the BIBLE and just readit for ourselves .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's your opinion and you are entitled to believe whatever it is you'd like to believe.

I know it's gotta be hard for you when people don't snap to be believe what you tell them to believe... some folks have their own relationship with the Lord and accept ALL he has to say on the different subjects such as this so they tend to get better information directly from the Lord.

But none to fear... if you look around a little there are many gullibles amongst us who will snap right to and believe exactly what you tell them to believe... that way you can get that warm and fuzzy feeling you be lookin for!

this post right here shows his hypocrisy, and is proof that the ignore button should be used.

Was an arrogant person

 

[mailmandan]

So when Jesus says they will never perish but has eternal life. He lied?

John 6:39 - This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; (not some of them follow Me and some of them don't) 28 and I give eternal life to them, (not I give eternal life to some of them and some of them I don't) and they will never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will) and no one will snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will be snatched from my hand and some of them won't) 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. (not someone will be able to snatch some of them out of the Father's hand) So much for His sheep (saints) losing their salvation. It's those who do not believe who are not His sheep (John 10:26) and do not have these promises.

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

 

[mailmandan]

so who has the power to break the seal of the HS?

What part of NO- ONE do you fail to understand?

John said one born of God can not live in sin.. so who are these people?

No, God did no such thing Adam and Eve were given life.. They died when they sinned.. and at that point everyone died, because all are in adam

we do reap what we sow.

Salvation however is a gift, It can;t be earned, hence by defenition, it c a not be unearned.

When will you stop looking to self and not God?

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

In regard to reaping what we sow in Galatians 6, the one who is continuously (Greek present tense) sowing to his own corrupt, flesh which is opposed to God and unrenewed by the Holy Spirit shall of the flesh reap corruption. Our life here is sowing of one kind or another. But he who sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap everlasting life. In opposition to reaping corruption, eternal life is reaped by those who sow to the Spirit, which is only those who have placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ for salvation. (John 3:15,16,18; 11:25,26; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..).

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Salvation obtained and/or maintained by works results in self-righteousness, self-preservation and self-promotion.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 6:39 - This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; (not some of them follow Me and some of them don't) 28 and I give eternal life to them, (not I give eternal life to some of them and some of them I don't) and they will never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will) and no one will snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will be snatched from my hand and some of them won't) 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. (not someone will be able to snatch some of them out of the Father's hand) So much for His sheep (saints) losing their salvation. It's those who do not believe who are not His sheep (John 10:26) and do not have these promises.

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

it must be miserable not knowing if you will make it or not..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

In regard to reaping what we sow in Galatians 6, the one who is continuously (Greek present tense) sowing to his own corrupt, flesh which is opposed to God and unrenewed by the Holy Spirit shall of the flesh reap corruption. Our life here is sowing of one kind or another. But he who sows to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap everlasting life. In opposition to reaping corruption, eternal life is reaped by those who sow to the Spirit, which is only those who have placed their faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ for salvation. (John 3:15,16,18; 11:25,26; Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..).

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Salvation obtained and/or maintained by works results in self-righteousness, self-preservation and self-promotion.

Is paul said,

If Abraham was found by works, he has something to boast.

For it is by GRACE we HAVE BEEN saved, through Faith. Not of works lest anyone should boast..

 

[mailmandan]

if we reap what we sow. We will all be in hell..

Because thats what you and I deserve.

In the ultimate sense, apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Christ to wash away our sins, (Romans 3:24-28; Philippians 3:9) we would ALL reap hell. (Romans 3:10-12, 23; 6:23) The wages of sin (what we deserve) is death BUT the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Eternal life is NOT through works or sinless perfection. (Ephesians 2:8,9; 1 John 1:8-10)

 

[mailmandan]

Then the cross is meaningless

you Breyer start sacrificing animals for your sin.

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 

[mailmandan]

Oh look, another self-righteous legalist who thinks he's sinlessly perfect and doesn't need Christ.

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.

 

[mailmandan]

We are saved and promised eternal life if we walk in the newness of life walk in the light walk in the spirit.

Believers are not in darkness but are in the light.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:8 - for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light.

1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of children of the devil. Walking in the light is descriptive of children of God.

In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother. *Notice that "walks in darkness, hates his brother" is descriptive of "children of the devil."

 

[Taken]

And when DID JESUS EVER TEACH that my friend.

Heb 6:
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Enlightened, is having heard the Truth.
Tasting….is sampling…..not Eating.
Partaker….is receiving a blessing from God.
God blesses….by, through, of His Power.
Christ….is the Power of God.

He told his very own YE MUST CONTINUE IN ME .

Correct. WHY?
Because Continuing leads…to Eating.
Eating…leads to ingesting.
Ingesting…leads to the Power of God being not ONLY WITH a man, but IN a man.
Once the Power of God IS IN a man, The Lord God WILL NEVER Leave that man.

How many TIMES did men (His People ISRAEL…and there after GENTILES)….become enlightened…Taste His word…partake in Gods blessing…God was WITH them…..
AND WHAM….they SPIT OUT HIS WORD and DID as THEY DECIDED?
At that moment God Left them ON THEIR OWN….to do as they pleased without consideration of Gods Word.

Partaking of Gods Blessings, is NOT exclusive to Believers, the Converted….Because even non-believers receive Blessings of the Power of God, whether or not they acknowledge it is a blessing from God.
Quick example is (Matt 5:45)

God is WITH a man who is WITH Him.
With…without….With…without.
That occurred multiple times in the OT, and carries on To this day.

CONVERSION is totally DIFFERENT…
God WILL NEVER Leave a Converted man.
A CONVERTED man WILL NEVER Leave God.

A partaker of CHRIST , HAS BEEN CONVERTED . JESUS never taught otherwise my friend.

Yes, otherwise was taught.

Matt 26:
[26] And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
[27] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
[28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

TASTING….is one thing, and can be SPIT OUT.

EATING / DRINKING….is another thing, CONSUMING within ones own body.

God WITH a person ….is one thing, and He CAN LEAVE.

God IN a man….is another thing, and HE WILL NOT LEAVE a person.

EITHER we are OF HIM or one IS NOT . NOW that HE DID TEACH.
Besides that , do you realize that most osas and even most non osas Are not FOLLOWING HIM at all

Without a “Catagory Tag” of this group or that group….MOST people who have Ever lived or WILL ever live:
DID NOT, WILL NOT, “FOLLOW” Him.

ALL in the END, SHALL BELIEVE, BOW to Him in Worship…Prophecy that SHALL be fulfilled.

HOWEVER, ALL SHALL NOT “FOLLOW” Him,
As HE was bodily Crucified,
As HE, rose to Heaven,
As, His soul was IN Hell, and Left Hell,
As He, returns to Earth,
As He, Sits in king David’s Throne,
As He, Occupies a NEW Earth…
Correct, ALL will NOT “FOLLOW” Him.

but rather another jesus . LETS NOT give anyone any false hope . EITHER WE ARE HIS OR WE ARE NOT .

False HOPE is NOT becoming CONVERTED, which I ADVOCATE, WHILE IMPRESSING, Conversion is EXPRESSLY:
ACCORDING to GODS WAY!

And if we are HIS we are partakers , we are born again .

Unbelievers ARE Partakers of Gods blessings
Un-committed Believers ARE Partakers of Gods blessings.
The Converted ARE Partakers of Gods blessings.

The KEY DIFFERENCE is distinguished BETWEEN…
TASTERS….and EATERS.

There is no branch outside of him
that HE is with my friend. THERE IS ONLY HE , the TREE and the lambs the branches
WITHOUT HIM we can do nothing .
Your fighting so hard , so much zeal my friend . I mean you have the zeal of a mighty warrior
ONLY YOUR WASTING ALL OF IT ON AN ACROYMN .
PLEASE PREACH JESUSCHRIST and PLEASE REMIND THE CHURCH TO CONTINUE TO THE END .
JESUS DID . THE APOSTELS DID . SO WE DO TOO .
If folks had even a hundreth of the zeal for PREACHING JESUS as they did for mens doctrines
WE COULD HAVE TURNED THISWORLD and the church world UPSIDE DOWN .
ITS TIME TO PREACH JESUS CHRIST and ALL HE DID teach and all the apostels left us in letters too .
TIME is running out taken . IT might seem hard to beleive , BUT I AM WARNING US THAT TIME
is far shorter than we realize . Folks are dying in sin , trapped under another jesus
or in a false religoin all together and some folks just want to holler acroynms and WORSE
MUCH WORSE many folks are now hollering a false love that will save not one soul who preached it or beleived it .
TAKEN WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME . WE GOTTA get back to preaching JESUS CHRIST and all sound doctrine .

I do speak the Word of God….
Christ Jesus IS THE WAY…
Remember the TRUTH ALSO carries the sound knowledge OF CONSEQUENCES, be they good or bad, with or without God.

God Himself saw it to be Sound, Fit, Proper…
TO notify persons…of warnings, of consequences of those WITH or WITHOUT Him.

Consider WHO God Blesses.
Consider WHAT Blessing God gives to WHOM specific….and WHY.
Taster or Eater…
Tasters can SPIT out Gods Word OR EAT it.
An EATER has ALREADY made His Heartful VOW, and BEEN “MADE” saved and quickened and IS forever WITH God and God WITH him…osas

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[St. SteVen]

Salvation obtained and/or maintained by works results in self-righteousness, self-preservation and self-promotion.

That's it in a nut shell.

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness.

Exactly!

They have traded peace for fear.